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Gallons
of tea and the occasional weak Mexican lager are indeed Bill's favoured drinks.
Re the question about the "Boy Done Good" artwork: I believe the guy who painted
this is Lorraine Bowen's partner (Lorraine of course being an occasional Red
Star and general on-stage collaborator with Bill off and on over the years -
clarinet, keyboards, vocals). It wasn't specifically commissioned for TBDG,
and the original was sold before Bill latched onto it as an image to use for
the singles.
Pete Crook <petecrook@bigfoot.com>
London, England - Saturday, September 30, 2000 at 23:58:32 (BST)
Thanks
everyone that responded to my question. So, that's Corona (with lime?? or without?)
and also, tea. Any other suggestions? Does he drink whiskey or vodka or anything
else? Thanks!
GMB
- Saturday, September 30, 2000 at 23:44:23 (BST)
Bogues,
my friend Mary from the bblist sent us this, I'm sure she won't mind my posting
it . . .The first gig at the Aladdin in Portland was great. The setlist: -Blokes-
Milkman of Human Kindness She Came Along to Me England, Half English Christ
for President Way Over Yonder in the Minor Key St. Monday All You Fascists Bound
to Lose Power in a Union Dreadbelly Against the Law Shirley [aka Greetings to
the New Brunette] California Stars A New England -encore, Bill solo- Upfield
The Space Race Is Over Saturday Boy -encore, Bill w/Simon on bass- Tears of
My Tracks -encore, Blokes- My Flying Saucer Sexuality Ben Mandelson on guitar,
as well as bugeleiser and bouzouki... His 1/4" unplugged at the end of "Dreadbelly,"
and so they did a "rewind" so that he could have the final chord. All the band
members came on with "No on 92/98" stickers attached...
Barbara <isawhimdrinkarollingrocktoohesprettyeasytoplease>
- Saturday, September 30, 2000 at 22:34:29 (BST)
Tea.
Barbara
- Saturday, September 30, 2000 at 22:32:56 (BST)
sorry,
that's "Corona"--never said my spanish was any good...
susan
- Saturday, September 30, 2000 at 22:24:28 (BST)
When
I saw Bill last year he drank a Carona after the show! We were all shocked and
dismayed and then he told us that he drinks Budweiser (Swill!) at home. He said
"They say they're the King of Beers, but they're really the Coke of Beers"---Not
much of a gift, Carona or Bud, if that's what you had in mind...(a gift, I mean)
Susan
Santa Cruz, - Saturday, September 30, 2000 at 22:23:35 (BST)
I
have a rather silly sounding but important question - does anyone know what
Billy Bragg prefers to drink??? Please answer ASAP. THANKS!
GMB
- Saturday, September 30, 2000 at 21:45:32 (BST)
Fish
& Chips and curry - you don't know how lucky you are. Any reviews of Portland?
Haven't Keri and Erin sobered up yet?
Bogues
MA, USA - Saturday, September 30, 2000 at 21:18:16 (BST)
I
am very jealous! But we will be there ourselves before long! I hope you make
the most of Carsten's cooking before you have to come back and live on Fish
and chips and curry. I want to hear all about it when you come back down south.
sonj <love and peace>
- Saturday, September 30, 2000 at 21:13:37 (BST)
David
and I arrived in two pieces. All is well and we are drinking Carsten's Irish
whiskey and arguing McDonalds. However, we have all agreed not to eat shit (thanks
Bogues for the laugh), especiallay since Carsten is a vegetarian (and a good
cook). Sonja--you will be jealous--I am amusing a darling boy baby. We have
spent the past hour torturing Action Man (little Carsten's toy). I am off to
Irish pubs where we will drink and argue and sing Republican songs (David, Carsten
and I are republicans. It's food that is the contention here.) More tomorrow.
Carol
Belfast, - Saturday, September 30, 2000 at 21:03:11 (BST)
hello,
is anybody there?
sonj
- Saturday, September 30, 2000 at 20:51:53 (BST)
No
ideas Chris. What's the answer?
Barbara
- Saturday, September 30, 2000 at 17:31:08 (BST)
Does
anyone know any information on the artist who did the painting on the sleeve
of The Boy done good single or where I can get hold of a print?
The elusive red kebab <nickmiller
at talk21.com>
Cardiff, Wales - Saturday, September 30, 2000 at 15:02:49 (BST)
BOOMTOWN
RATS - from a gang in Woody Guthrie's "Bound for Glory".
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
- Saturday, September 30, 2000 at 13:44:31 (BST)
My
favorite line from the FT article: "Part of the success of capitalism is . .
."
Bob
US - Saturday, September 30, 2000 at 12:44:58 (BST)
thanks
Bob:)
sonj <saved me a trip>
- Saturday, September 30, 2000 at 12:32:55 (BST)
No,
it's a joke - The council do very little to enforce those restrictions - and
people know it well. They say that Summer will be a big storm season (bigger
than usual) so I'm glad I'll be in Europe.
chris
- Saturday, September 30, 2000 at 12:27:01 (BST)
Chris,
thats a nightmare, I lived at Mount Crosby for a year on acreage(not a soul
in sight)but even that was town water, animals are coming up my garden for the
dogs water(I live backing on to raven street reserve in chermside west)do they
have water restrictions..the guy next door has his garden spray on all day,
the shit.I went up to Jimba and Kenilworth last week
steve
- Saturday, September 30, 2000 at 12:23:45 (BST)
Sonja:
It says here: http://news.ft.com/ft/gx.cgi/ftc?pagename=View&c=Article&cid=FT33TOOOODC&live=true&tagid=YYY9BSINKTM&useoverridetemplate=IXLZHNNP94C
Bob
US - Saturday, September 30, 2000 at 12:19:55 (BST)
a
little trip to the newsagent coming up!
sonj
- Saturday, September 30, 2000 at 12:11:29 (BST)
You
may like to know that today's Financial Times carries an interview with Billy,
in which he discusses Englishness, why he loves Kipling and hates Chesterton,
petrol Poujadism, William Hague, how he'll vote in West Dorset,and one Tory
he does admire, and consumes copious amounts of Evian water. And I reckon it's
a nice photo, too.
David Honigmann
- Saturday, September 30, 2000 at 11:11:06 (BST)
Steve
- spare a thought for the people at Tamborine. All on tank and bore water. A
load of the stuff costs about $100.00, and that rarely fills a tank. I was out
at Gatton today - the country is horrible to look at. Any ideas with the question
below??
chris
bne, Australia - Saturday, September 30, 2000 at 11:02:49 (BST)
Chris,
the resevoirs must be well stocked it hasn't rained for 3 months now..
steve
- Saturday, September 30, 2000 at 10:55:06 (BST)
The
Danes said NO. Have a safe trip
sonja
- Saturday, September 30, 2000 at 08:03:13 (BST)
Ah
Woody, you should take the train from Portland to Seattle. Four hours of stunning
beauty and micro brews served at your seat.
Barbara
- Saturday, September 30, 2000 at 07:06:33 (BST)
Quiz
time; Where and when was the first constitutionally elected Labor/Labour government
in the world?
chris
bne, drought ridden SE Qld, Australia - Saturday, September 30, 2000 at 06:38:11
(BST)
Well
first off, I driven Bill to JFK many a time in my beat up 1990 Jeep. Dreadbelly
is playing, a magnificent skank. St. Monday is stellar. Whats happened with
the Danish Referendum queries Pete Jenner? It's been a lovely day in Portland.
To finish we travel in luxury to Seattle. Nothing like a mini van eh? We left
the tour bus behind.
WoodyDee
- Saturday, September 30, 2000 at 06:04:07 (BST)
Bogues,
You make me laugh. Re
Re
Los Angeles, - Saturday, September 30, 2000 at 05:04:08 (BST)
It's
funny how easy it is to rattle the superfans with a little critcism of their
hero.
Bob
USA - Saturday, September 30, 2000 at 02:25:54 (BST)
"Changes
take place, not independent of man's will, but on account of man's wills...
Civilization has progressed by man's interference with material conditions."...
-- Gora (1902-1975)
steve <C'mon you reds..
S/land V Leicester>
- Saturday, September 30, 2000 at 01:56:07 (BST)
Maybe
Keri and Erin can ask Bill, if they haven't yet left for tonight's concert (about
LA, I mean). You *are* going to say hello, aren't you..?
Bogues
- Saturday, September 30, 2000 at 01:40:04 (BST)
Re,
LA - poor old Bill has probably been so stung by Bob's withering criticism of
that town car he used in NY that's he's going to do the rest of the tour by
Greyhound Bus. The LA gig is probably the first victim of the new 'Travelling-With-The-People
Tour' schedule...
Bogues
MA, USA - Saturday, September 30, 2000 at 01:36:40 (BST)
The
John Anson Ford theater just told me the L.A. show is canceled. Anyone know
why? Re Los Angele
Re
- Saturday, September 30, 2000 at 01:30:41 (BST)
excuse
the typos I cant find my reading glasses
steve
- Saturday, September 30, 2000 at 01:29:53 (BST)
yes
wise words Carsten, but has the people embraced Karl Marx..er..no....Jon D when
I said I didnt ask the question, I meant I didnt ask the cuban the question
if the tampons were enpugh for that person as there was a long list of rations,
and not that i didnt ask the question your post asks ..silly billy.if the badge
fite wear it(:)
steve
- Saturday, September 30, 2000 at 01:27:43 (BST)
These
December concerts back home are getting interesting. I was thinking of coming
back for a long weekend for our kid's 40th on Dec 2nd (which puts the mockers
on the Barbican), but if BB were to play Portsmouth on Sunday 3rd then I could
go home and see the folks, have some decent beer at lunchtime, roast beef dinner,
post-prandial nap in front of Mum's telly, then down the Wedgewood Rooms or
wherever... Very appealing. You listening Mr Jenner, sir? Portsmouth. December
3rd. Much appreciated!
Bogues
MA, USA - Saturday, September 30, 2000 at 01:27:14 (BST)
Sorry,
meaning Mao DID change the world a good bit, Lao-Tse arguably less.
Carsten
- Saturday, September 30, 2000 at 01:15:42 (BST)
Bogues,
"The philosophers have only interpreted the world in various ways. The point,
however, is to change it." Karl Marx. Wise words (unadulterated, interpreted
or represented)
Carsten
- Saturday, September 30, 2000 at 01:14:23 (BST)
Alright
Bogues, I wouldn't dare deny you're right, but: Lao-Tse's loss if he's not remembered
for his words! Comparing Mao with Blair must be a bit of toe-stepping though
(for Mao that is of course.) :)
Carsten
- Saturday, September 30, 2000 at 01:09:30 (BST)
That
last post sounds very snotty, but *someone* has to keep up standards after Luther
gave us all his dietary advice and stormed off...
Bogues
- Saturday, September 30, 2000 at 01:05:50 (BST)
Carsten
- I rather think that Mao's wise words came from Lao-Tsu's 'Tao Te Ching'. He
probably quoted such bon-mots unmercifully, but only to prove that he was in
tune with stuff that all his people were very familiar with (rather like Tony
Blair coming out with a touch of Shakespeare). ("A thick tree grows from a tiny
seed. A tall building arises from a mound of earth. A journey of a thousand
miles starts with one step. Contriving, you are defeated; Grasping, you lose.").
Boguespierre <"Verse
64 actually, Grasshopper...")>
MA, USA - Saturday, September 30, 2000 at 01:02:56 (BST)
ok...
after the worst plane experience of my life i finally arrived to erin's last
night. went on the job and scoped out the shipping business. i have to report
i didn't see any longshoremen playing cards or sleeping on the job. but one
heard erin bad mouthing them... careful what you say when they're hauling steel.
it's wonderful to see trees again and the air is fresh and clean. and drinking
starts in 2 hours pre bragg concert. should be a good show... i will report
back. sorry about the wake up call derik... i didn't mean it. be good and get
that inventory finished.
keri <in portland...OREGON>
- Saturday, September 30, 2000 at 00:33:50 (BST)
Bob
- It does the world a disservice if you insist on someone like myself, with
hairy buttocks and a burgeoning beer belly, to wear a g-string (thong). How
about responding to the content in the post? (without reference to your immediate
family if possible)
chris
bne, Australia - Saturday, September 30, 2000 at 00:13:48 (BST)
however
have tickets-will travel
kevforster <kevforster@btinternet.com>
worthing, uk - Friday, September 29, 2000 at 23:53:46 (BST)
however
have tickets-will travel
kev forster <kevforster@btinternet.com>
worthing, uk - Friday, September 29, 2000 at 23:52:47 (BST)
however
have tickets-will travel
kev forster <kevforster@bt.com>
worthing, uk - Friday, September 29, 2000 at 23:51:39 (BST)
bragg
office says it should publish on the web uk tour dates for december next week
all being well.hope its brighton or portsmouth-could be a happy xmas?
kev forster <kevforster@btinternet.com>
worthing, uk - Friday, September 29, 2000 at 23:49:04 (BST)
Sorry
Carsten, I thought Tett was using radical in the traditional clichd left-wing
"revolutionary" sense. I guess it's just a word that's been hijacked by unsavory
types for so long that I'd forgetten its very basic roots. And yes, I know that
the in latin "revolution" means the act, state, or quality of rolling back.
Funny how meanings somtimes get distorted. As far as Mao's "wise" words, they
seem to me really obvious and trite, but maybe they sound more convincing in
Chinese. P.S. How did Cuba do in the Olympic baseball finals?
Bob
USA - Friday, September 29, 2000 at 22:26:13 (BST)
that's
spooky. I posted before i saw carten'ss pozt!
sonj
- Friday, September 29, 2000 at 21:49:47 (BST)
Sure
it is, Bob. Don't forget that radical comes from Latin 'radox'= the root. To
grab an evil such as poverty or injustice by its root, and thus 'eradicate'
it must be a good thing, don't you think? I don't see why there should be a
time-limit attached to it either. Remember Mao's wise words: "Even a journey
of a thousand miles starts with one step."
Carsten
- Friday, September 29, 2000 at 21:44:44 (BST)
tett,
krone in the post!
sonj
- Friday, September 29, 2000 at 21:38:18 (BST)
To
do "a little above the average." That's what I'm striving for, too. I hope I
haven't set my goals too high. P.S. For a list of Saints, go here: http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/nor/roster.html
P.P.S. If radical change takes a really long time is it still radical?
Bob
USA - Friday, September 29, 2000 at 21:31:55 (BST)
PS.
Bob: none of us are saints.
Tettland
- Friday, September 29, 2000 at 21:15:51 (BST)
Bob:
I wouldn't refute that 99.999999% of whoever are doing their best, it just depends
what that "best" is. As it is I think Billy does a little above the average
for a successful musician to "walk it like he talks it". To put his politics
into practice - and I repeat - WITHIN THE CURRENT LIMITATIONS OF A CAPITALIST
SYSTEM. Radical poltical change takes time and a lot of mundane work. 70 words.
Tettland
- Friday, September 29, 2000 at 21:12:47 (BST)
Siobhan,
i will be seeing you next week i expect, on the lost property recovery tour.
Have you got a tape of Tony Hancock's Blood Donor??? If not i'll bring a copy
with me. I aim to collect my 10p from steve!
sonj <only 2992 ticket to go
Bill!>
- Friday, September 29, 2000 at 20:22:30 (BST)
You're
right Derik and I apologize. But Bob is a free marketeer, right Bob?
Barbara
- Friday, September 29, 2000 at 18:43:50 (BST)
I
notice all things. Which is why I avoid certain subjects around here.
derik
- Friday, September 29, 2000 at 18:34:35 (BST)
But
well spotted!
Jon D
- Friday, September 29, 2000 at 18:09:45 (BST)
You're
right steve, you didn't ask that question... I did!
Jon D
- Friday, September 29, 2000 at 18:09:20 (BST)
And
have you noticed how anyone who doesn't agree with steve is labled a badge wearing
sloganeer?? The reason I like Bill is because he manages to convey a desire
for freedom justice and peace etc. and doesn't spout like a doctrinaire.
Jon D
- Friday, September 29, 2000 at 18:07:57 (BST)
I
didnt ask that question jon, too many other items rationed, still there is a
happy cuban blasting lindisfarne in central cuba now, on the one community tape
player that is
steve
- Friday, September 29, 2000 at 18:07:15 (BST)
Thanks,
Steve. And yes, I have noticed.
derik
- Friday, September 29, 2000 at 18:00:11 (BST)
by
the way derek i actually poosted that stuff on nick drake and bert jansch, at
last, only took me 10 months
steve
- Friday, September 29, 2000 at 17:56:31 (BST)
Rationing
tampons is neither here nor there - was the personal ration sufficient for personal
use?
Jon D
- Friday, September 29, 2000 at 17:55:17 (BST)
have
you noticed how anyone who doesnt agree with the usual socialist sloganeering
badge wearing attitude is instantly labelled a money grabber a free marketeer..its
so naff..Bob you money god you
steve
- Friday, September 29, 2000 at 17:53:19 (BST)
But
Steve, that is not the essence of all your personal relations, and I doubt it
is just the money that would get you to marry her...
derik
- Friday, September 29, 2000 at 17:43:27 (BST)
marry
s
- Friday, September 29, 2000 at 17:35:21 (BST)
Derek,
I'd Kate Bush for her money ..
steve
- Friday, September 29, 2000 at 17:33:02 (BST)
Bob
and his love of money? If he had so much of it, he would have bought himself
a hotwater heater! Barbara, I think you are going a little overboard in suggesting
all his relations with people are based on money. That is downright silly.
derik
- Friday, September 29, 2000 at 17:04:51 (BST)
I'd
love to talk about socialism, but not the text book type, how about the real
living type..Jon, socialism, I had a couple of late 70s visits to Yugoslavia
and a brief excursion into albania that soon ended with us being ejected in
a truck into greece. I have a friend of 12 years in central Cuba who would escape
on fishing boats if it wasnt for leaving family behind, he (Angel Gonzales)
sent me a neighbours ration book from 1996 where tampons were rationed(of course
this is the fault of capitalism)...there are a few good examples of capitalism
that is often touted as good socialism like denmark, norway, I wonder why there
are no successful socialist countries, as a socialist myself Id have to say
the majority of people sadly just don't give a damn baout change...except maybe
for 0.1%...at least with capitalism we get great music like Bill, and Bob...and
britney spears???/
steve
- Friday, September 29, 2000 at 17:03:31 (BST)
Free
marketeers love to tell everybody to move when they're being squeezed out of
home and job. Carol lived there already, libertarian Bob, why should she move?
Do you have any connection to your home and neighborhood besides your love of
money? Do you have any kind of connection with anyone in a non-financial sense?
Also, I've asked you at least ten times to tell me what is cheaper or more efficient
with privitization and globlization. Make fun all you want, or answer the question.
Or don't, who cares?
Barbara <nobodyistalkingaboutsocialism>
ihopeitwasalimowithatvandwetbar, - Friday, September 29, 2000 at 16:33:35 (BST)
me
and my steve are coming to the barbican (two more tickets sold). In eleven years
he has never been to a Billy gig with me, so I strongly suspect he wants to
see Sonj again.
siobhan <backtotheblooddonors>
- Friday, September 29, 2000 at 16:11:07 (BST)
I
love the debates about socialism, they occur on the mailing lists quite often.
I've only ever found one true example of socialism, and that's in the slum area's
of the Domincan Republic. They fish what they need, and any extra goes to a
neighbour that didn't catch enough, maybe swapped for rice or somesuch. But
that's it, their entire life is spent barely surviving for themselves, they
don't get to escape that existance. I'd like to hear about any other similar
stories of 'pure socialism' as I'm relatively happy with the dichotomies of
being a socialist in a capitalist world.
Jon
Bristol, UK - Friday, September 29, 2000 at 15:46:58 (BST)
I
dont know many cities centre area where property is cheap, although I bought(shock
horror) an apartment in Newcastle city centre once...but who wants to live there,
the scary part was I could see the floodlights of St James park from my bedroom
window, I had to move...
steve
- Friday, September 29, 2000 at 15:19:58 (BST)
Carol:
Try Nebraska or North Dakota. I hear the real estate is more reasonably priced
there. Not quite as desirable though, maybe there's some sort of connection???
I'd love to live in San Francisco, too, however, I can't afford it. What happens
when you get rid of private property? Who gets the most desirable real estate
then? I'll tell you who: the new ruling party leaders. Then they'll rent it
to the highest bidder or enjoy it for themselves. That's how life works. Kill
yourself or get over it.
Bob
USA - Friday, September 29, 2000 at 15:06:25 (BST)
Hi
everybody. Susan, Hebden Bridge reminds me of Santa Cruz--a small, hip community.
I spent last night discussing Steiner and Heidegger--too metaphysical for me!
I'd rather argue capitalism with Bob--which reminds me. Why hasn't the free
market solved Northern California's housing crisis? I know you like to blame
it on rent control, but in most of California there is NO rent control and the
cost of housing (whether you buy or purchase) is astronomical. Actually, from
what I understand, most people had some form of housing in socialist countries.
I'm sure someone will correct me if I am wrong. We are resting today, as I have
become quite tired. Hebdon Bridge is lovely--the canal is filled with these
interesting narrow, flatbottomed boats. David is always happy when he is near
a boat. I have grown quite fond of curries and sausages and other kinds of foods
that Carsten bans from his home. I am looking forward to seeing Carsten tomorrow.
I am bringing a Giants baseball cap. Unforunately, there is orange in it--no
political significance, though. Sonja's cool jacket is safe. For Jon and Carston--so
you will recognize me--I am 5'3'', with what is now short curly (and still blonde)
hair. David insists on growing a beard, so he looks scruffy. He is on holiday,
so he thinks this means that he doesn't have to shave. He may surprise me before
the day is over. Perhaps this is his luddite protest. Barbara, hang in there,
union maid. I am with you. Hi Derik--talk to you later. Remember, Bob, rent
control is not the cause of lack of affordable housing. It is the p9olicies
of the free market, which demands a large profit to developers and banks. Therefore,
they only build housing for those who make over $150,000/yr.
Carol
Hebden Bridge, - Friday, September 29, 2000 at 14:48:45 (BST)
Hi
everybody. Susan, Hebden Bridge reminds me of Santa Cruz--a small, hip community.
I spent last night discussing Steiner and Heidegger--too metaphysical for me!
I'd rather argue capitalism with Bob--which reminds me. Why hasn't the free
market solved Northern California's housing crisis? I know you like to blame
it on rent control, but in most of California there is NO rent control and the
cost of housing (whether you buy or purchase) is astronomical. Actually, from
what I understand, most people had some form of housing in socialist countries.
I'm sure someone will correct me if I am wrong. We are resting today, as I have
become quite tired. Hebdon Bridge is lovely--the canal is filled with these
interesting narrow, flatbottomed boats. David is always happy when he is near
a boat. I have grown quite fond of curries and sausages and other kinds of foods
that Carsten bans from his home. I am looking forward to seeing Carsten tomorrow.
I am bringing a Giants baseball cap. Unforunately, there is orange in it--no
political significance, though. Sonja's cool jacket is safe. For Jon and Carston--so
you will recognize me--I am 5'3'', with what is now short curly (and still blonde)
hair. David insists on growing a beard, so he looks scruffy. He is on holiday,
so he thinks this means that he doesn't have to shave. He may surprise me before
the day is over. Perhaps this is his luddite protest. Barbara, hang in there,
union maid. I am with you. Hi Derik--talk to you later. Remember, Bob, rent
control is not the cause of lack of affordable housing. It is the p9olicies
of the free market, which demands a large profit to developers and banks. Therefore,
they only build housing for those who make over $150,000/yr.
Carol
Hebden Bridge, - Friday, September 29, 2000 at 14:48:33 (BST)
I
love A Very British Coup, and still have it on video. A Labour Government facing
all manner of right-wing/establishment plots to oust them. Surely it couldn't
happen.....
dyl
- Friday, September 29, 2000 at 14:29:34 (BST)
What
the fuck is a "transportion" system? I think you meant "transporTAtion" system,
Harry. But what's a little T&A between friends? Other than that, your post was
so spot on that this Christmas I'll be bringing you that train you've been asking
for. It's extremely tiny, but first class all the way.
Father Christmas
North Pole - Friday, September 29, 2000 at 14:00:30 (BST)
Oh,
you're fictional are you? I feel like Alan Partridge after finding out Sherlock
Holmes wasn't a real person. You'll be telling me there's no Father Christmas
next!
Paul W
Bratislava, - Friday, September 29, 2000 at 13:52:10 (BST)
Paul,
that reminded me oF Brian Clough's comment when asked how as a socailist he
can drive a BMW, he replied everyone should drive a BMW...cop-out
steve
- Friday, September 29, 2000 at 13:52:05 (BST)
Paul
W: You do realize that I am a FICTIONAL character, right? As clever as some
writers are, I have yet to see one finance and build a fast, efficient, first
class transportion system, public or otherwise. I'm sure they would *really*
*really* like to, though.
Harry Perkins
UK - Friday, September 29, 2000 at 13:42:39 (BST)
Anyone
else read/seen 'A Very British Coup' Journalist 'Prime Minister, is it true
you are planning to abolish first class travel?' Newly elected Socialist Prime
Minister 'No, but I do intend to abolish second class travel. I think everybody's
first class, don't you?'
Paul W
Bratislava, - Friday, September 29, 2000 at 13:00:20 (BST)
You
know I didn't say I agreed with all of that article, I just found it interesting
that's all...the way some people jump to the defence of their socialism I find
weird,Capitalism has many benefits just look around yourself and neighbours,
although I know this is not what anti capitalists want to admit, we can of course
not challenge ourselves, not read these articles, but I enjoy the battle of
being a socialist, and the difficulty of trying to live like one. Socialism
looks great when viewed from the shit-side of capitalism, as the majority of
the working class dont give a fuck about revolution or socialism does this mean
it is up to the middle classes to 'change' the system, a bit like the russian
nobility(i'm trying to keep a staright face honest)..show me one great socialist
nation and make my day...welcome back Bob....Theo Ive sent all those fanzines
you sent me to a Sunderland fanatic who lives 700 miles into the outback, he
will be so happy, as long as the bugger sends them back also your e-mail keeps
returning send me a e-mail ta, good win against lazio,.
steve
sunderbane, - Friday, September 29, 2000 at 12:58:03 (BST)
Bob,
be sensible, Bill isn't travelling on his own with a guitar slung over his shoulder
( that was woody guthrie) and he and his ensemble deserve the most comfortable
means of transport. Socialists are not trying to drag everybody down, they want
Everybody to have a good and comfortable way of life with all that modern technology
can provide. If somebody tells me that bill is in a limo and woody is on the
bus, then i would worry!!!
sonj <just
off to the post office to send krone to tettland for the copengagen billy gig.>
did i already tell you we wrere going????, - Friday, September 29, 2000 at 12:55:54
(BST)
what
i really want to be is a groupie, of course, but i don't want to embarrass the
children ....
sonj <once a strumpet,
always a strumpet>
- Friday, September 29, 2000 at 12:50:46 (BST)
Hi
Sonj...I don't think my character would do it for free...I know (as much as
I'd love it) I wouldn't! Andrew
Andrew Hunting
Melbourne, - Friday, September 29, 2000 at 12:16:14 (BST)
And
Tettland, Jon D: I'm not sure which of Jon's questions Tettland is referring
to. They all seem pretty rhetorical to me. I'll assume that he's talking about
"exactly which capitalist systems can *everybody* take several years of work
to go and raise their kids?" Ummmm, none that I know of. I wasn't implying that.
Next question? Or maybe he was talking about Jon's next post about the private
college gig. Jon is entirely correct, I'm sure. Bill would NEVER consciously
do anything hypocritical. Woody Dee e-mailed me and told me it was scheduled
out of convenience, but I am sure he was mistaken.
Bob
USA - Friday, September 29, 2000 at 11:56:46 (BST)
Tettland:
I defy you to refute the fact that 99.999999999999% of capitalists (or dairy
farmers or computer programmers or born again christians or, or . . .) are trying
to do the best that they can as individuals. Please answer in 100 words or fewer.
Bob
USA - Friday, September 29, 2000 at 11:41:08 (BST)
oh
dear, i have changed my mind, i didn't know you had to wear black and at my
age it doesn't suit me. Oh well Andrew, i will have to re think my roadie ambition.
sonj
- Friday, September 29, 2000 at 11:23:12 (BST)
thanks
Andrew, i did mean to read it last time and then missed it. I realise of course
that offering to be Bill's roadie for free is not in the interest of Trade Union
Solidarity:)
sonj
- Friday, September 29, 2000 at 11:14:35 (BST)
Bob:
you can ridicule Barbara's arguments all you like (not that I'll agree with
you though ...) but you haven't answered the posting from Jon D which I thoroughly
agree with. We've all got our contradictions, i doubt you're "pure" neo-liberal
republican either. Billy walks like he talks it given the problems of being
a socialist in a capitalist society. It is throroughly consistant with socialism
that workers should be paid for their labour. I reiterate the Brecht quote i
posted yesterday (but nobody responded to), "Sink down in the slime/embrace
the butcher/but change the world/it needs it". I defy you to refute the fact
that Billy is trying to do this the best we he can as individual. Whether it
matters or not, of course, depends on your opinion. IMHO, I think it does.
Tettland <tettland@hotmail.com>
- Friday, September 29, 2000 at 10:17:48 (BST)
Silly
Silly Silly Irrelevant Barbara: Please point out where I've been asked "several
times" to "name one thing besides cheap clothes [that] the free market, deregulation,
privitization [have] done for the consumer?" If you can do that, I'll attempt
to answer the inane question. CHRIS IN BRISBANE: Your post sounds like something
a Miss America contestant would say to sound deep and caring during the all
important question and answer round. I suggest you stick to the bikini competition.
You can strut around for the crowd in your thong while Miss Congeniality and
the second runner-up bring out those nasty "definitions and counter-arguments."
The socialism that exists from a mother to a child? Ha ha! I was all for that
kind of socialism until my mother started taking 70% of my paycheck and the
milk dried up. The old hag. Fuck you, mom, I'm one of them there raving maniacal
"freemarket libertarians" now. I hope you die old and lonely!
Bob <dreamingwetdreamsofcaitalism&jond@mybed.com>
USA - Friday, September 29, 2000 at 09:33:28 (BST)
Blimey
Bogues and Johnny BX, Olney is just 10 minutes from where I live. Small world
eh?
Dyl
- Friday, September 29, 2000 at 09:33:23 (BST)
Stop
being civil, Bob's just starting a fight. We can continue asking two things
- just what about Billy does Bob like? And name one thing besides cheap clothes
has the free market, deregulation, privitization done for the consumer? We've
asked this several times and gotten no answer. By the way, my husband was Billy
Bragg's roadie, for two days, and it was done in an inexpensive fashion. (not
cheap, inexpensive.) Bob, in your wildest libertarianrepublikan dreams do you
think Billy should haul everything necessary for a multi-week, cross-country
tour on the subway then the Q33? Don't be goofy.
Barbara <sillysillysillyirrelevant>
- Friday, September 29, 2000 at 08:15:54 (BST)
I've
published a short story on OverlandExpress called 'If I was Billy Bragg's Roadie'.
Please read, enjoy, let me know what you think! link : http://www.overlandexpress.org/issue003/fiction/fict01.html
This is a repost from a wee while ago in case you missed it the first time.
Cheers, Andrew.
Andrew Hunting <ahunting@hard.net.au>
Melbourne, Australia - Friday, September 29, 2000 at 06:49:15 (BST)
Re
the stoush going on between Bob et. al. I feel that there is a real danger in
boxing in a persons ideological viewpoint and then judging it via isolated actions.
As well, to speak of "capitalism" and "socialism" in the modern world is to
open up a Pandora's Box of definitions and counter-arguments, as most political
and economic systems in the world today have aspects of both. With this in mind,
I have never ever heard Billy Bragg advocate a classical, concrete type of theoretical
socialism in the eleven years I have enjoyed his music. I think the best explanation
he gave of "his type" of socialism was in Australia in 1992, when he said he
wished for a type of socialism that exists within a family, froma mother to
a child. While he may have had more radical moments, I feel that stepping into
a hired car does not make this ideal any less pertinent. Many children pool
their money to take Limousines to their school Formal (what our American cousins
would call a "prom") but this does not make them little Donald Trumps. A person
willing to devote their working day to entertaining while also attempting to
spread thoughts that they hope will lead to a better world deserves respect;
and the action does not deserve to be pidgeonholed behind the ugly curtain of
ideology.
chris
brisbane, australia - Friday, September 29, 2000 at 06:01:39 (BST)
Bob
- As a former New Yorker, I have to defend Billy's mode of transportation to
La Guardia. First, the subway doesn't go there. The buses are over-priced and
don't offer much in the way of places to store your luggage.Second, in NYC,
many town cars aren't all that fancy. They are basically gypsy cabs. Anybody
rich or poor who is carrying very much at all usually gets to the airport in
a car. There is just no way ar
Re
Los Angeles, - Friday, September 29, 2000 at 05:18:44 (BST)
and
just a couple more things - I believe that the private university fiasco bob
refers too was an honest mistake by bill and his management that they won't
repeat... from what I can recall woody dee and pete jenner tried to sort it
out as best they could when they realised what had happened... and I honestly
never have had a wet dream, or even a slightly erotic thought about socialism.
what a bizarre [but possibly telling] thing for you to say bob!
Jon D
- Friday, September 29, 2000 at 03:35:50 (BST)
Bill
Hilly; overhere... overthere... I think the song you're after is 'Everywhere'
Jon D <joinedup@yahoo.co.uk>
- Friday, September 29, 2000 at 03:26:54 (BST)
Bob:
and in exactly which capitalist systems can *everybody* take several years of
work to go and raise their kids? Bills in a privileged position and singer/songwriting
wasn't a 9-5 sort of job the last time I looked. Does he use his privileged
position to speak out for the weakest and most vulnerable in society? Has he
just buggered off to the caymen islands with his lolly to become a tax exile?
I'd say that Bill's been very consistant in what he's been saying and doing
down the years, maybe kind of ironic that he came to prominence and laid the
foundation of his lucrative career during 'the thatcher years' but it doesn't
make him a hypocrite IMHO.
joinedup@yahoo.co.uk
- Friday, September 29, 2000 at 03:24:43 (BST)
Hey,
does Bill take requests? He is playing here on Sunday and I want him to play
"Overthere" (or is it "Overhere.") Will he be doing any T.V. as the musical
act well on this side of the pond? Been a few years since I "dragged" my wife
to a show, so getting excited.
Bill Hilly
Surreyevo(my little joke), Canada,eh - Friday, September 29, 2000 at 03:22:22
(BST)
Hey
Johnny Bx from the one and only Olney. My kid brother lives in Olney, and it's
just outside Milton Keynes which is an hour north of London UK. You must be
living in the other-and-not-only Olney....
Bogues <Quick dinner then home...>
Newark, CA, USA - Friday, September 29, 2000 at 02:04:05 (BST)
http://www.eff.org/~barlow/
JPB
USA - Thursday, September 28, 2000 at 23:06:27 (BST)
http://www.redherring.com/mag/issue52/bait.html
John Perry Barlow
San Francisco, CA, USA - Thursday, September 28, 2000 at 23:01:38 (BST)
That
Reason article was alot of fun....another musical irony...The Greatful Deads'
songwriter (the one who penned some of their better tunes) is a Republican rancher
in Wyoming.****BTW, its been fun reading the trip reports of Carols journey.
Jeff <dwellej@aol.com>
Dayton, OH, USA - Thursday, September 28, 2000 at 22:46:32 (BST)
I
meant there was only one outright right wing party involved in the No campaign.
Tettland
- Thursday, September 28, 2000 at 22:39:52 (BST)
DANISH
EURO REFERENDUM UPDATE: The Danish people have voted "no" to the single currency.
The voter-turnout was something like 88% and the No vote was won by margin of
soemthing like 6%. As suspected by yours truly (from watching the outrgaeously
biased US/UK media coverage of the campaign) the result has been portrayed as
victory for the extreme-right and a narrow-minded "little-Denmarkism" (see http://www.guardianunlimited.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,374961,00.html).
It's clear that the media has its own agenda. There were 5 out of 10 parties
against the Euro here and there was only one outright right-wing party involved
in it. For balance's sake the less biased analysts are putting the result down
to a massive gulf between the European political and business elites and there
populations. And the subsequent fear that membership of the Euro would threaten
welfare and mean less democracy at the national level. Skl!
Tettland <tettland@hotmail.com>
- Thursday, September 28, 2000 at 22:38:37 (BST)
That's
certainly not the way I think of the meaning of "the Establishment." I don't
know or care about Chumbawhatevathefucktheirnameis, but Billy and "Rage" are
both put out records on major labels, both sell tickets through the evil Ticketmaster
(their view, not mine), Rage is on MTV and every lame ass "alternative" crap
station in this country. Billy has links to Amazon.com on his web page. Not
exactly good for one's indie-cred, do you think? Oh, I know, I've heard it before,
"What other artist gives away crappy old singles that noone else wants on his
website?" Spare me. If it wasn't for his success at capitalism, he wouldn't
have been able to take off several years to raise his son. Don't get me wrong,
this is a very admirable thing to do, but which socialist system can afford
to have everyone do that? Answer: the one in your wet dreams!
Bob
USA - Thursday, September 28, 2000 at 22:11:24 (BST)
message
for Billy: I'm driving 400+ miles to see the show in Chicago on the 7th of Oct.
Could you please play: "The Red Flag," "The Busy Girl Buys Beauty," or "World
Turned Upside Down?"
Johnny Bx <nippon@phreaker.net>
the one and only Olney, - Thursday, September 28, 2000 at 22:01:05 (BST)
Bad
news, i left it too late to book plane tickets to Belfast to go at the same
time as carol and david. Only seats left from this neck of the woods were silly
(not to say obscene)prices. Good News, I have learnt my lesson and as soon a
alberr's pay went in the bank this month i immediately transsferred a very reasonable
amount of cash to a very nice man at dial a flight. Billy Bragg and Copenhagen,
Here we come!!!!!!!!!
ssssssonja
- Thursday, September 28, 2000 at 22:00:04 (BST)
my
mum will be pleased to hear that derik. Thanks for the message jon. I know Carol
is looking forward to meeting up with you.
sonj
- Thursday, September 28, 2000 at 21:54:52 (BST)
ahhhh
I was thinking of a really small car for nipping round congested town centres
in... now then, could you explain in what way Chumba, RATM and Bill ARE the
establishment - how many factories, railways [railroads] etc do they own and
control? when they get on the phone to the whitehouse or number 10 would bill
and tony give them the time of day? could you explain yourself please?
jon d
- Thursday, September 28, 2000 at 21:52:50 (BST)
Jon:
I don't need to suck up to my "audience" to get my point across. Thanks for
the suggestion, though. I don't have any illusions of changing anyone's mind.
I guess your reprimand was in place of an actual response. A Town Car is a big
Lincoln (Ford's "Luxury" division). A town car is like a taxi, but fancier,
more expensive, and usually black and without the silly taxi signs all over
it. More like a limousine, but not stretched. Town Cars are often used as town
cars.
Bob <ravingmaniac@freemarketlibertarianism.com>
USA - Thursday, September 28, 2000 at 21:42:26 (BST)
I
hear the Danes turned down the Euro.
derik
- Thursday, September 28, 2000 at 21:21:37 (BST)
could
somebody translate "towncar"? bob - you aught to calm down a bit I reckon, you're
playing to a hostile audience for you freemarket libertarianism anyway - acting
like a raving maniac and calling BB names will get you nowhere.
Jon D <joinedup@yahoo.co.uk>
- Thursday, September 28, 2000 at 21:21:04 (BST)
Bouges,
I actually thought about the stupidity of my statment (re: English speaking)
as I lay in bed last night! I'm (slowly) trying to learn Spanish--as I think
every Californain should do! This will make me a much better librarian. Too
bad your trip was breif. Fall in Santa Cruz is truly gorgeous (but not today!)
susan <doyoueverlieawakeandtormentyourselfwithstupidthingsyou'vesaid?>
Santa Cruz, CA - Thursday, September 28, 2000 at 20:27:14 (BST)
Let
see who's pathetic? Billy criticizes Manic Street Preachers for wanting to use
a clean toilet, but it's alright for him to hire a town car to drive him to
the airport. Last I heard, NYC has perfectly good public transport, but I guess
that's for the little people. And playing a private show at a private university
that cost $20,000 a year to attend. He's a real man of the people. Incidentally,
how exactly is he "biting the hand that feeds us"? I bet the hand that feeds
"us" has gum-marks from the toothless old fuck!
Bob
USA - Thursday, September 28, 2000 at 20:18:59 (BST)
And
for Billy, I give you a hearty bite me. Politically I think you're pathetic.
But on with the argument!
Barbara <werenevergoingtoagreeonthisone!>
whitemenholdingontotheirpower, boreme - Thursday, September 28, 2000 at 20:04:35
(BST)
IF
money is to be made, at least some of it is going back on the streets. I like
RATM - I like their music but that's really another issue. I don't think they're
clowns.
Barbara
- Thursday, September 28, 2000 at 20:02:35 (BST)
Jon
D: They ARE the establishment. Barbara: How exactly are they raising hell in
the halls of Sony? And don't you find it a little ironic that if they actually
*did* raise hell in the halls of Sony that Sony would profit from it through
more RATM record sales? Politically, RATM and Billy are fucking clowns! But
at least Billy can write a decent tune.
Bob
USA - Thursday, September 28, 2000 at 19:38:45 (BST)
Adding
a line from the band Propagandhi ---"And yes, I recognize the irony that the
very system I oppose affords me the luxury of biting the hand that feeds. But
that's exactly why priviledged fucks like me should feel obliged to whine and
kick and scream- until everyone has everything they need."
derik
- Thursday, September 28, 2000 at 19:34:50 (BST)
The
article struck me as a protracted whine against artists using their influence
on young people. Why can't you argue for your cause while existing in the system
you live in? What better place to raise hell then in the halls of Sony? It's
like money laundring! I'm progressive but I live in a nice house with confortable
things. Should I give it up? Tom Morello does a lot for the causes he belives
in - he earns his dough. While we live in a capitalist society let's reap the
few benefits of it. In the meantime people like Tom and Billy and other good
fighters will continue to bite the hand that feeds us.
Barbara <crunchcrunchcrunchtasteslikechicken>
- Thursday, September 28, 2000 at 19:29:58 (BST)
Jon
D, have you spoken to Carol??
sonj
- Thursday, September 28, 2000 at 19:26:15 (BST)
Or
is it hypocracy at all? I couldn't give two monkeys for the music of either
RATM or chumba but I don't think they forfeit the right to criticise the establishment
'cos they've made a few quid. The weirdest thing about that article IMHO was
that it started the story with rock 'n roll rather than much earlier with the
blues , or even woody guthrie. just 'cos they're making more dough than woody
ever could doesn't make their political opinions less valid.
Jon D
- Thursday, September 28, 2000 at 19:18:39 (BST)
Oh
and 3 british BB dates have appeared on NME.com [but not on this officail site??]
--- Bristol University 01/12/2000 --- Royal Court Theatre Liverpool 16/12/2000
--- Rock City Nottingham 17/12/2000
jonD
- Thursday, September 28, 2000 at 18:48:33 (BST)
Is
it the *only* hipocrisy in the world of music? I doubt it, but I really don't
think that the article was intended as a comprehensive guide to hypocrisy in
the music business. What do you have in mind, Jon D?
Bob
USA - Thursday, September 28, 2000 at 18:48:31 (BST)
Yep
- I of course I read the reason article, seemed to me to be implying that RATM
and chumbawamba are hypocrites for making money while spouting anti-capitalism...
I wanted to know if steve thinks that this is only hypocracy in the field of
music and if so why??
Jon D
- Thursday, September 28, 2000 at 18:42:19 (BST)
If
you like Billy Bragg's activist message, check out Activist Radio at http://www.mp3.com/stations/activist
for a great collection of cutting edge labor and activist songs.
Hard Miles Music <info@hardmilesmusic.com>
- Thursday, September 28, 2000 at 18:29:06 (BST)
Susan
- just a day trip to Silicon Valley, but that takes 2 days from Boston (I've
got my tickets for BB in Boston on 10/10, work permitting). Believe it or not,
there is a company here that has flown in two Japanese engineers for the express
purpose of shouting at me. Glad to hear that everyone in California speaks English
- presumably they're all off on holiday with Carol, leaving me to the mercies
of the monoglotic Latino hotel staff. Home via the LA redeye tonight - Hi, bye
California!!
Bogues
Palo Alto, USA - Thursday, September 28, 2000 at 17:02:15 (BST)
Remind
me never to read Reason magazine.
Barbara <yawn>
- Thursday, September 28, 2000 at 16:30:03 (BST)
PeteW
et al, that piece from Reason Mag looks quite interesting, but it doesn't mention
Billy. The thing that caught my eye was the 2nd sentance, "The strange politics
of millionaire rock stars", maybe I'm missing the point that, but you can care
about these things without having the safety cushion of wealth to fall back
on. On a similar note, 'spit" S Club 7 are campainging on animal rights being
equal to human rights, strange then that they are spearing fish in their latest
video. Will these kids ever learn?
Jon
Bristol, UK - Thursday, September 28, 2000 at 14:40:36 (BST)
my
holiday has arrived. a much needed break from pizza, work, police sirens, bklyn
bridge, and the D train. i'm packed and ready to go. i've been sober for a week
so let the drinking games begin. see you tonight erin.
keri <i hate newark!!!!>
new york, - Thursday, September 28, 2000 at 14:39:23 (BST)
pete
w, have you looked in your e-mail? i am not at that phone number just now but
if you reply to my mail i will ssssssssssee it. ta
sonj
- Thursday, September 28, 2000 at 14:36:58 (BST)
Carol:
we should all be taking revenge for the luddites, diggers and levellers. Maybe
the Prague demonstrators are doing this in their own way. ******* It's still
looking neck and neck in the Danish Euro referendum. No doubt it'll be all over
the world's media tomorrow. Steve & Rob: living with contradiction is part of
being human, but it's magnified a hundred fold if you're a socialist in capitalist
world. We just do the best we can. There's no reason to choose to wear a hair
shirt, or go without food just because some people don't have that choice. To
quote that very contradictory marxist playwright and poet, Bertolt Brecht,"Sink
down in the slime/Embrace the butcher/But change the world/It needs it."
Tettland
- Thursday, September 28, 2000 at 14:05:54 (BST)
Geoff
- If you want any info on it (I think its called the Evolution Festival) let
me know. There's also a thing at Jimboomba this weekend that my girlfriend may
have to attend (she's a journalist for the GC Bulletin). I think the one tomorrow
has a decent lineup for the kiddies out that way.
chris
brisbane, Australia - Thursday, September 28, 2000 at 14:03:29 (BST)
I
agreed with much that was in that essay, but bits of it, like the part Steve
quoted, have that annoyingly smug tone which bases itself on not much more than
an argument of "capitalism exists, and is all-embracing, so dissent is foolish
and I can laugh at it". I don't think that contributes anything to the argument
apart from picking at the (admittedly large) holes in anti-capitalist arguments.
But bashing capitalism and the system (maaaaan) is really trendy in music now;
last week Mel Blatt of the All Saints started slagging off western youth for
just, like, giving in to capitalism, man (presumably because they're buying
her crappy production-line records).
pete w <luddites!>
- Thursday, September 28, 2000 at 14:01:55 (BST)
can't
find carol's jacket so maybe it is at theo's. If you look in again carol, i
have bought this week's nme for derek. Les is a skateboarder ( i never knew!)
and has told me the best shop to go to. Take it easy up and down those yorkshire
hills!
sonja
- Thursday, September 28, 2000 at 13:45:49 (BST)
chris
- thanks for the explanation. there's an interesting looking festival up your
hill on the first weekend in november.
geoff
- Thursday, September 28, 2000 at 13:04:01 (BST)
Theo--that
may be my jacket--black, and made of some very thin wool. Don't throw it out
yet. We will be down south again in less than a week. We visited York--got there
by train. We toured the minster, which took all our time (David goes slow--he
even insisted on climbing the tower--I sat in a pub and drank New Zealand wine
while he trudged up the stairs). I am sorry to have missed Clifford Tower, but
maybe we can go again tomorrow. Today we walk around Hebden Bridge and rest--I
find I am getting very tired and I must prepare my psyche for Belfast and Carsten.
Bogues--I finally figured out what you couldn't understand. This is what I meant--England
seems to be the land of immigrants--I have met people of various heritages--Danish,
Welsh, Irish, Greek Cypriot, Italian (my friends I am staying with here are
Swedish and American Russian Jew), but the real English I have met are Alberr
and Pete C--I seem to be one of the few persons of English heritage here, although
my ancestors were chased out of England over 200 years ago. I was really joking.
I haven't figured our who Barmy Rob is yet :)! Cyber cafes are very quiet because
everyone is glued to a monitor--no arguing politics here. However, for the sake
of the BB forum I am now going to take on Steve. Hiya mate!! What do you mean,
we are all capitalists? I don't own the means of production--not any satanic
mills for me. And finally, for the sake of those who are new to the forum and
wonder what this is all about--Hi Billy. Enjoy California while I am away. Play
The Great Leap Forward in my name. I am sorry to miss you as I take revenge
on those English who chased my Quaker ancestors away centuries ago--also revenge
for the luddites, diggers and the levellers.
Caroll
Hebden Bridge, - Thursday, September 28, 2000 at 12:32:35 (BST)
Pete,
as there are a number of Halls at the Barbican, when I called I asked if it
was in 'The Pit'. The girl laughed and told me that it wasn't, as that venue
only held around 200. What's wrong with that, I thought. 2,000 eh, it'll be
fantastic if we can fill it. Switching to trivial footy mode, what a great couple
of nights for North London, eh? First T*ttenham beat Brentford in the Worthington
Cup and then, last night, Arsenal beat the favourites Lazio in the European
Champions League. Happy, Happy Days :) :)
Theo <NotForgettingRangersAndManU@BothLost.yeeesss>
London, - Thursday, September 28, 2000 at 12:00:20 (BST)
Oh,
and the nice lady on the 'phone at the Barbican said the only information she
had about the gig was that BB and the Blokes would be "promoting their new album".
Er...Mermaid Avenue II, or dare we hope..?
Pete C
- Thursday, September 28, 2000 at 11:21:58 (BST)
Cheers
Theo ö Iām in, of course. Bizarre venue though. Itās a lovely place for classical
concerts, but I donāt really want to sit in a comfy chair to watch Bill. Oh
well, Iāll just have to grin and bear it...
Pete Crook <petecrook@bigfoot.com>
London, England - Thursday, September 28, 2000 at 11:18:59 (BST)
GIG
NEWS : Tickets are now on sale for BILLY BRAGG & THE BLOKES @ The Barbican Main
Concert Hall (London), 2ND DECEMBER. The Venue is a 2,000 seater. I've just
booked Front Stalls for £15 each plus booking fee, different prices available.
You can get through on Tel Number 020-7638-8891. Anyone else up for it ?
Theo
London, - Thursday, September 28, 2000 at 10:52:29 (BST)
its
nothing to do with being ecstatic with the tories Jon, did you actually read
the article
steve
- Thursday, September 28, 2000 at 10:00:49 (BST)
Yes
Jon you can.
Steve
- Thursday, September 28, 2000 at 09:52:10 (BST)
Hey
Bogues, Wotcha doin' in Palo Alto? More engineers need someone to shout at?
Last I checked, we all speak English (of some type) over here in CA! You wouldn't
be staying till next Tuesday, would you? (Uncle Bill in S.F.)
Susan
- Thursday, September 28, 2000 at 08:09:11 (BST)
I
was going to apply to be a roadie with Bill. However my tendancy to attract
diaster ( missiles and floods on carol's tour ) may deter Bill from hiring me
(even though i would do it for free). Hope you have better luck Woody. Don't
tell me bill has got a moustache .........
sonja
- Thursday, September 28, 2000 at 06:08:25 (BST)
Hey
Woody, have fun and we'll see you next weekend - take good care of the geez
like you always do.
Barbara <love love love>
- Thursday, September 28, 2000 at 04:32:28 (BST)
Steve
- the contradictions in living under capitalism indeed! can we take it you were
similarly extatic when the tory press lampooned Arthur Scargill during the miners
strike - after all HE was still drawing a healthy wage while the strikers had
to scavenge for food and fuel??
jon D <joinedup@yahoo.co.uk>
- Thursday, September 28, 2000 at 03:42:19 (BST)
Geoff
The "Minister" is an old digger who has a caricature in the bar. I was once
having a quiet one when I looked to my right, and nodded to the old bloke next
to me, exchanged pleasantries and so on. I took another sip, looked up, and
there was his caricature, prominently displayed above the bottles of bundy rum
and between oars. Beneath, in a scrawled message, was written "Minister for
a Fair Go". I have often reflected on the amount of damage one would have to
do to their liver in order to get their picture above a bar. I've lived at Tamborine
Mountain since early 1997, so my sightings of the Minister are not so frequent,
but I still see the him when I drive down to UQ or to see family. The guy is
evergreen.
chris
brisbane (but only until Sat, then back to the mountain), Australia - Thursday,
September 28, 2000 at 02:46:31 (BST)
THAT
ARTICLE SENT BY 'TOM MORELLO'?? iof it was him is superb Id ask everyone to
read it..a sample is below and hits the spot..... "Leftists desperately want
to avoid real discussion of such contradictions. Thatās because such contradictions
suggest that if itās impossible to escape acting like capitalists, maybe there
isnāt anything wrong with openly being one. In a curious way, left-leaning rockers
and critics are abetted in their cognitive dissonance by right-wingers, who
are similarly uncomfortable with the liberating and wild aspects of capitalist
culture, especially its willingness to give people whatever they want regardless
of the "morality" of the desire. Right-wingers, every bit as much as their left-wing
counterparts, are fundamentally troubled by the cultural implications of capitalism.
"...THANKS TOM
Steve <johnquays@bigpond.com>
- Thursday, September 28, 2000 at 01:22:12 (BST)
why's
bill not playing in vienna. ressistance is more than just the ride on the funfare.
they're thatcherising austria and there is not a single bills word on that.
hasta la victoria siempre.
axel maier <a.maier@eup.at>
vienna, austria - Thursday, September 28, 2000 at 00:27:36 (BST)
He
was last seen throwing things into the back of a town car frantically trying
to get to Laguardia in time to make the flight to Portland (via Denver)hoping
he hadn't forgotten anything of great importance like his passport. Now the
real saga begins.
The further adventures of WoodyDee on the road <WWWoodyD@aol.com>
last nite at home, - Wednesday, September 27, 2000 at 23:59:36 (BST)
I
hate when I fix a typo with the same typo.
Robin <philly.philly.philly>
- Wednesday, September 27, 2000 at 21:24:48 (BST)
Let's
hope he has no moustache on Oct. 16. Are you still going there, Derik? Is anyone
else also going? Just want to touch base with pelple and see how and where we
can meet up in Phiily.
Red Robin <still@here.sortof>
NJ, USA - Wednesday, September 27, 2000 at 21:23:44 (BST)
May
I suggest John Hiatt's new CD, Crossing Muddy Waters?
Barbara <johnhiattdianakrallmilesdavisandthebuzzcocks>
allboughtonsale!thisweek, andthelittlefeatboxedseattooodamncool - Wednesday,
September 27, 2000 at 20:54:30 (BST)
Good
afternoon, Barbara.
derik
- Wednesday, September 27, 2000 at 20:26:53 (BST)
How
may I help you, sir? What were you coming to buy?
Barbara <records r us>
- Wednesday, September 27, 2000 at 19:59:32 (BST)
How
may I help you, sir? What were you coming to buy?
Barbara <records r us>
- Wednesday, September 27, 2000 at 19:59:13 (BST)
I
had a dream last night: I walk into a small record store (in a house) that is
owned by Barbara. I am waiting for Billy. He arrives, but is rather portly and
affecting a moustache. I hardly recognize him. He says hello, and asks for Barbara,
who appears from behind the counter. I wake up.
derik
- Wednesday, September 27, 2000 at 17:46:52 (BST)
Carsten:
I think judged from your perspective the greater EU integration looks preferable
in terms of jobs, workers' rights etc given the small scraps of one gets from
New Labour (I don't quite understand the sit. regarding government in N. Ireland
now), especially in the short term. The long term is another question entirely,
and a good deal less clear. My fear for Denmark is that the being in the EURO
would damage a very good welfare state and environmental and worker protection
laws, with cuts in public spending being demanded by convergence criteria and
dictats from the ECB. I didn't elect these bankers and am therefore reluctant
to hand over decision making to them. However, for me, at this point at least,
the question is purely academic. I don't have to vote about tomorrow. My wife,
on the other hand does and she's decided, after much soul searching, to vote
"no". BTW, hope you're well. Regards,
Tettland
- Wednesday, September 27, 2000 at 16:15:21 (BST)
Pete
- both Billy and John Cale have both been on albums produced by the mighty Joe
Boyd. darn my pedantic intesrest in music.
Jin
Wales, - Wednesday, September 27, 2000 at 16:06:39 (BST)
Yeah,
I went to both nights, possibly my memory playing tricks on me, getting the
two confused. I remember 'Purple/acid Rain', and I remember a great intro (to
'The short Answer' along the lines of his demographics and people coming along
for a bit of political discussion, 'Is he singing about his bloody trousers
again?, Point of order comrade!'. Anyway, I'd love a tape of it so I'll email
you about that off line Pete, if that's OK
Paul W
Bratislava, - Wednesday, September 27, 2000 at 15:39:40 (BST)
I've
got the Video of the Dominion gig. I don't remember him performing 'Panic' but
he does do a brilliant 'Tender Comrade'. Unless they edited together the two
nights, Billy's mum went along on the first evening (when there was no swearing)and
the second was broadcast on TV. Michelle Shocked also played a comprehensive
set. The video has 'Great Leap Forwards' as the finale, I think ?
Santa's Little Helper
Springfield, - Wednesday, September 27, 2000 at 13:57:05 (BST)
Paul
W - thanks for the positive feedback. The Dominion gig is the first of the two
(guess which smartarse was in the audience...), and in fact it was also filmed
and broadcast on UK TV. Then again I guess you were probably there too so you
know this... I don't think "Panic" is on this tape, though I certainly have
a copy of him doing this somewhere (also "Ask", for all you Smiths fans out
there...). He actually closed this gig with his take on Prince's "Purple Rain",
which he re-styled "Acid Rain". Great days...
Pete Crook <petecrook@bigfoot.com>
London, England - Wednesday, September 27, 2000 at 13:44:47 (BST)
Tettland,
from my perspective here, transferring powers from London to Brussels would
definitely mean an improvement!
Carsten
- Wednesday, September 27, 2000 at 13:07:04 (BST)
Pete,
just had a look at the updated site. Great Stuff! On the tapes list, you list
a Dominion gig from '88. I think he did a couple of them. Is it the one he didn't
swear at, 'cos his Mum was there, or is it the (imho) better gig from the following
night with that superb version of 'Panic' and the best patter I've ever heard
him give? Either way, you've made my day!
Paul W <paulwebb@nme.com>
Bratislava, - Wednesday, September 27, 2000 at 13:06:38 (BST)
chris:
you'll have to refresh my memory about that particular politician. i don't remember
anyone famous offering me their empty. steve: pity about bould. where's me sarnie?
geoff
- Wednesday, September 27, 2000 at 12:25:07 (BST)
Tettland:
Thanks for the great post. That's exactly what I was trying to get at when I
asked about the situation a few weeks ago.
Bob
USA - Wednesday, September 27, 2000 at 11:05:30 (BST)
Hi
All: busy week here in Denmark as they vote on whether to join the single currency
tomorrow. Loads of foreign media types hanging around to see what happens. Particularly
from UK and Sweden as these 2 countries are watching what happens here because
they will be voting next. There has been in the a lot written in the quality
Danish press about how the Gruaniad has charactured the "no" voters' positions
and as someone who reads that hallowed organ regulalry I can't help but agree.
The Guardian's pro-euro stance in the UK has blinded it and its readers to the
fact that the "no" voters here are not some bunch of nationalistic, jingoistic
anti-Europeans (there are some, of course) but mostly a deeply concerned bunch
of lefties and Greens concerned about the giving up economic self-determination
to the very undemocratic, unelected body of the European Central Bank. As economic
decisions move from the national state to the EU, there will inevitably follow
more political structures (in Nice in a few weeks' time) established to deal
with this fact. Thus removing a great deal of decision making to Bruxelles.
Is this good for democracy? I'm not convinced. I'm an enthusiastic supporter
of European cooperation but not to the extent giving up my democratic rights
at the national level. I know we've been here before but I've had a chance to
do a bit more thinking and become a bit more informed and I'm not sure I would
vote "yes" if I was voting tomorrow. Even though this makes me sound like a
reactionary git like those in the UK Independence Party - at least according
to "my" newspaper, The Guardian. Love and best wishes,
Tettland
- Wednesday, September 27, 2000 at 10:12:04 (BST)
Heh.
The ćbananaä response to my Bill/Velvets question is *much* better than the
one I was thinking of when I posed it. Nice one whoever you are. For those unaware,
it connects a Velvets album sleeve with a rather un-Bill-like episode involving
a stripper and a banana (I kid you not) which is documented in Andrew Collinsā
Braggy biog ćStill Suitable for Minersä. Oh well, he was much younger then...
Pete Crook <petecrook@bigfoot.com>
London, England - Wednesday, September 27, 2000 at 09:16:15 (BST)
Happy
Birthday Siobhan. Thanks for the lost property update. Carol's disposable camera
is the one with a flash, last seen on your kitchen table. The posh (waitrose)
olives were a donation to the martinis. They have the Carol Tarlen Seal of Approval.
Belated Happy Birthday to Liz. Welcome back steve.
sonj <still
trying to work out what is puzzling about my blue jacket. Jason says it's cool.>
when jason goes to oz i'll tell him to stop saying cool!, - Wednesday, September
27, 2000 at 06:21:47 (BST)
Geoff
- I see the Regatta is under new management. A sign on the Sylvan Road side
promises new and exciting things. Did the "Minister for a fair go" drink there
when you were a glassie?
chris
brisbane, australia - Wednesday, September 27, 2000 at 05:47:40 (BST)
Steve
- while I agree that the appliance-centric postings might drive you away (like
you I'm living in a country where things tend to work - the 'charm' of back
home is that everything's fucked up), you simply cannot ignore this as a great
forum for discussing football and wanking (obviously one and the same thing
if you're from Sunderland). Hang around a bit more...
Boguespierre <Get a grip....
heh...heh...>
USA - Wednesday, September 27, 2000 at 05:12:31 (BST)
Pete:
For the Velvet/Bragg connection I was thinking, Banana.
Alternative Answer
Here I Am Nowhere, - Wednesday, September 27, 2000 at 04:42:22 (BST)
your
still a bunch of BASTARDS...however I couldnt resist replying to Dyl's post
about a sunderland programe and PeteCs post about Alan Hull, and PeteW's typically
'black and white' statment that footy is 'twee'.I think you've sussed me out.you
still dont have Rema Rema by Rema Rema do you Petew
steve <johnquays@bigpond.com>
busy making $$$$, - Wednesday, September 27, 2000 at 03:49:14 (BST)
CHRIS:
no skylarking involved in flight. result of a karate kick to the back of my
head. i was suitably anaethsetised so i didn't feel pain, but instead my thought
was: "i'm flying!". sadly the experience didn't last long and i landed rather
unceremoniously. I agree the regatta *used* to be a better pub, certainly it
was more popular in about 1985 when i worked there as a glassie.
geoff
- Wednesday, September 27, 2000 at 02:37:04 (BST)
Siobhan
- for your paper I think you need to know that New England is afire with urgent
requests for blood donors, but when I went all the way to the American Red Cross
in Peabody to give my sparkling O-neg, they turned my big hairy British butt
away...
Boguespierre <Apparently
we've all got Mad Cow Disease>
USA - Wednesday, September 27, 2000 at 01:09:18 (BST)
sonj,
d'you think the disposable camera Carols talking about is the one my daughter
was taking pictures with? Thats here, along with your rucksack, bottles of gin
and vermouth and various types of olive. As of today I am a student again and
instead of indulging in domestic trivia am concentrating on Titmuss's comparative
study of blood donation in the UK and US and its underlying argument about the
place of altruism in human affairs especially applied to health and welfare
systems (2,500 words by 24/10)
siobhan <happybirthdaytome>
- Wednesday, September 27, 2000 at 00:31:13 (BST)
Alan
Hull in plays gig for students shocker: http://home.btclick.com/pete.crook/alanhull/alanhull.jpg.
*Grin*. Couldn't resist it, Steve. Bloody hell, 23 years ago...
Pete Crook <petecrook@bigfoot.com>
London, England - Tuesday, September 26, 2000 at 23:34:33 (BST)
Just
to say that Iāve finished updating my Billy Bragg website, Reaching For That
Other Shore, at http://www.bigfoot.com/~petecrook, for now anyway. Apologies
for the slightly "old" look of the site, but hey, itāll soon be its third birthday.
Iāll give it a sexy revamp sometime· Anyway, Iāve added a few more links, and
live tapes to my list (Iām easing back on the latter ö I think 150 tapes is
just about enough even for me·). But mostly Iāve updated the photos page, which
Iām dead proud of. Many thanks to everyone who has supplied photos or links
to their photos (all are credited ö please tell me if Iāve missed anything out).
Anyway, Iāve added: Tolpuddle 2000; Seattle 1999; Barcelona 1997; QEH, London
1999; Brighton, 1999; Lots of shots of various fansā meet-ups at and around
these gigs; Photos of punters with Bill; Shots from Mick Thomas and Attila the
Stockbrokerās gigs at the Mean Fiddler and the Garage in 1999 (OK slightly tenuous
BB connection, but he was in the audience at the Fiddler, and Mick and Attila
are compulsory listening for all Bragg fans); ·and various other bits and pieces.
Pete Crook <petecrook@bigfoot.com>
London, England - Tuesday, September 26, 2000 at 23:24:49 (BST)
Thanks
Dyl, hope you enjoyed the game, a programme is too tempting to stay away cheers,
I can e-mail my address if you e-mail me
steve <johnquays@bigond.com>
- Tuesday, September 26, 2000 at 22:59:21 (BST)
Thanks
Dyl, hope you enjoyed the game, a programme is too tempting to stay away cheers,
I can e-mail my address if you e-mail me
steve <johnquays@bigpond.com>
this is the correct e-mail...its too early, - Tuesday, September 26, 2000 at
22:59:15 (BST)
Hey,
Theo: Nice website! Was that old hag, Janet Reno, involved in the Clifford's
Tower massacre?
David Koresh
Waco, TX, USA - Tuesday, September 26, 2000 at 21:45:28 (BST)
it's
a while since we had any lists. Siobhan, would you like to start with a list
of items littering your living room left behind by your loquacious lodgers.
thanx
sonja <braggpuss@hotmail.com>
i didn't even have a martini so no excuse, - Tuesday, September 26, 2000 at
20:20:25 (BST)
Theo,
i think i am all jacket and correct, except for the one i lent carol which for
some reason she finds bewildering. Carol has gone to yorkshire without her grey
coat. Can you be a bit more descriptive please.
sonj <at a loss
to know exactly what i have lost.>
- Tuesday, September 26, 2000 at 20:17:03 (BST)
Pete
W, Exactly ! That's why Carol (and anyone else visiting York) should go there.
The tragic event of 1190 was certainly news to me when I stumbled across it.
Here's a site which gives a bit more info on the Tower and it's terrible history
: http://www.igc.apc.org/ddickerson/cliffords-tower.html
Theo
London, - Tuesday, September 26, 2000 at 19:09:51 (BST)
I
don't think all the guidebooks mention the pogrom at Clifford's Tower....
pete w <petemitchell39@hotmail.com>
- Tuesday, September 26, 2000 at 18:38:31 (BST)
Knuckle
sandwiches!! That ain't nice.
derik
- Tuesday, September 26, 2000 at 17:45:26 (BST)
Carol,
don't forget seeing Clifford's Tower whilst in York. BTW, Carol/Sonj, there's
a jacket round mine that I presume belongs to one of you two? Claim it lively,
or it's hitting a charity shop :)
Theo
London, - Tuesday, September 26, 2000 at 17:37:24 (BST)
derik,
knuckle sandwiches are on sale. riddle me this.. it's 57 and rainy in new york
today and 82 with sunshine in oregon. grrrr, i'm sure it won't last.
keri <pouting like a
baby cause i'm ill.>
- Tuesday, September 26, 2000 at 17:31:58 (BST)
By
the way Steve, I'm off to see Luton vs Sundarland in the Worthington's Cup tonight.
I'll buy a programme and if you want it I'll send it to you.
Dyl
- Tuesday, September 26, 2000 at 17:26:38 (BST)
Hebdon
Bridge? Good choice. I've only been through it on the train but it looks beautiful.
Dyl
- Tuesday, September 26, 2000 at 17:18:13 (BST)
Carol,
very sorry to hear about the camera. You won't be surprised to hear that the
strumpet left hers at Siobhan's. Sorry to hear its drippy. Enjoy yourself.
Alberr <alberr59@hotmail.com>
London, UK - Tuesday, September 26, 2000 at 16:57:02 (BST)
keri:
What do I want? Hmm...
derik
- Tuesday, September 26, 2000 at 16:37:27 (BST)
A
cyber-cafe in Hebdon Bridge? This is not the Yorkshire of my caving days....
Carol, I think you're right that I've been away from England too long. I shall
start planning my own trip at once.
Boguespierre
USA (too long) - Tuesday, September 26, 2000 at 16:27:03 (BST)
I
am at a cyber cafe in Hebdon Bridge. Yorkshire is beautiful--so green, except
for the moors which had strange and interesting vegetation. The sky hung dark
and low over the rolling hills (it's been quite drippy here). This is Luddite
country. I have seen a lot of satanic mills, but none seem to be working. I
guess the mill workers are no longer oppressed. We visited the Bronte's parsonage--I
couldn't get David to leave. My friends Aggie and Jack live in a lovely old
stone house with four stories--a room for each story. It was built on a hillside
and is quite old in California terms (over 100 years old at least). Siobhan,
I have lost the camera that has pictures of France and your family on it. I
am particularly upset about losing the pictures of all of you. It must have
fallen out of my handbag on the train. Sonja--did you take any photos? I think
the photos of Theo and his family are also on it. I am quite at a loss and we
can't get through via phone to the train people's lost and found department
to see if, by any chance, it was turned in. Being a throwaway camera, perhaps
someone tossed it in the rubbish. Sonja--I am bewildered about your jacket.
I will explain later. I am so looking forward to seeing Carsten and of course,
to Cuba's baseball victory over the beast and its great big belly. Hi Steve.
Cheer up. Perhaps you need to start drinking again. Tomorrow it's York and the
Viking museum. A tribute to the gallant and generous Dane, Sonja.
Carol
Yorkshire - Tuesday, September 26, 2000 at 16:20:03 (BST)
Well,
I did say it was from Bragg Mythology :)
Theo <WhoAreWeToCallBilly@Liar>
London, - Tuesday, September 26, 2000 at 16:04:04 (BST)
what
do you want? btw the flowers died. i'm saving one...
keri
- Tuesday, September 26, 2000 at 16:02:05 (BST)
i
knew i should have stayed home from work today. the weather is lousy here...
and i can only anticipate more of the same when i hit oregon. grrrr how am i
going to get all of my chores done before i leave? come on, derik, come up and
clean my flat.
keri <feeling yucky.>
brooklyn, - Tuesday, September 26, 2000 at 15:52:44 (BST)
As
Thomas Paine lived from 1737 to 1809 I would doubt that Billy actually went
out drinking with him in the Angel or anywhere else. Although it would be pretty
darn impressive if he had!
Dyl <Not tenuous Theo,
a bl**dy miracle>
- Tuesday, September 26, 2000 at 15:33:29 (BST)
Well
done Huw. I'll buy you a beer next time I'm in Worcester (unless that's Worcester,
MA...) as my folks now live in Malvern. Bill's cover of John Cale's "Fear..."
is indeed the Velvets connection I was thinking of. A great song, as is so much
of Cale's output. It's on umpteen bootlegs, and also one of the Peel Sessions
I believe.
Pete Crook <petecrook@bigfoot.com>
London, England - Tuesday, September 26, 2000 at 15:29:31 (BST)
D'oh!
Jon
Bristol, UK - Tuesday, September 26, 2000 at 15:27:04 (BST)
Regarding
the Angel question from Pete, I've probably missed the deadline but I can't
actually get an update of the guestbook. My guess is that the Landlord is named
either P Jenner or Stephen or William or Billy Bragg. Theo said the answer'd
make you groan, and this suggestion seems likely.
Jon
Bristol, UK - Tuesday, September 26, 2000 at 15:25:32 (BST)
Pete
- Hearing Billy's version Of "Fear Is A Mans best friend" was the moment I realised
Billy was a genius, I mean what a fucking ace song to choose. The thought of
Billy being a John Cale fan keeps me happy at night.
Huw
Worcester, - Tuesday, September 26, 2000 at 15:18:03 (BST)
Nice
One, John D. Thomas Paine drank in 'The Angel', hence, if Billy went out drinking
with him, it could well have been there (Yes, North Sea Bubble). Carsten, I
knew that about Cuba. Hope they do it again. I didn't know that Cameroon reached
the final though. That's great news. I've supported them through the tournament,
thanks to our player 'Lauren' playing for them down under.
Theo <SaidItWasTenuous@Didn't.I>
London, - Tuesday, September 26, 2000 at 14:41:59 (BST)
Chris,
YES THEY DO! (beating the usa in Atlanta). And I predict they will win it again
tomorrow.
Carsten
- Tuesday, September 26, 2000 at 14:20:22 (BST)
Pete,
Nothing to do with the Velvets, but the best Billy opening ever, circa 1986..
Billy strides on, 'My names Billy, this is Otis..' - launches into 'A Change
is gonna come' . Magnificent.
Paul W
Bratislava, - Tuesday, September 26, 2000 at 13:20:25 (BST)
Pete,
Nothing to do with the Velvets, but the best Billy opening ever, circa 1986..
Billy strides on, 'My names Billy, this is Otis..' - launches into 'A Change
is gonna come' . Magnificent.
Paul W
Bratislava, USA - Tuesday, September 26, 2000 at 13:20:14 (BST)
OK,
to make my Bragg / Velvets question *much* simpler, the connection is simply
a song which Bill used to open his set with (though good thinking Bogues for
going off down the Ian MacLagan trail ö I daresay thereās probably a connection
with most of the major acts on the planet via Sir Ian).
Pete Crook <petecrook@bigfoot.com>
London, England - Tuesday, September 26, 2000 at 13:03:07 (BST)
Wiggy
asked me to pass this on : === I've just started as house producer/engineer
in a 24 track 2" analogue studio in Hackney, London. Spread the word... Enquires
via wiggy@gcsl.com === So if there's any musicians/bands out there looking for
a producer/studio...........
Mark Warner <Mark_R_Warner@yahoo.com>
Canberra, Australia - Tuesday, September 26, 2000 at 12:59:13 (BST)
The
Angel wouldn't have been Tom Paynes old local by any chance? [I went out drinking
with Thomas Payne - North Sea Bubble]
Jon D
- Tuesday, September 26, 2000 at 12:46:19 (BST)
Don't
Cuba currently hold the gold?
chris
bne, - Tuesday, September 26, 2000 at 12:42:41 (BST)
Oh
and Rob: Cameroon are in the final!!!!!
Carsten <beatingchile2:1>
- Tuesday, September 26, 2000 at 12:42:21 (BST)
Geoff
very keen to hear story of your airborn skylarking in RE. Its proximity to UQ
really makes it an excellent barometer of exam times. It really is an undergraduates
mecca, although I will always argue that the Regatta is a nicer place to drink
on summer's day - but is just a little too far away from Uni and buses etc.
chris
brisbane, australia - Tuesday, September 26, 2000 at 12:41:41 (BST)
Sorry
Theo, beats me. --- FAR more interestingly: 1) Who are the current olympic baseball
champions? and 2) Who are going to be the new olympic baseball champions? Anybody?
Carsten
- Tuesday, September 26, 2000 at 12:41:22 (BST)
just
a guess, but maybe he went on a monopoly pub crawl, and stopped at the Angel
Islington??? i hope monopoly boards are the same in the UK and Australia, because,
if not, I just made a very obscure reference...
chris <guesswork!!>
brisbane, australia - Tuesday, September 26, 2000 at 12:34:41 (BST)
Pete,
Granted, 'Angels' do get the odd mention in 'Upfield' :) But it's the actual
Pub I'm interested in (the name's not that important). In Billy Mythology, why
is it possible that he could have drank there ?
Theo <You'reAllGonnaGroan@Answer.Soon>
London, - Tuesday, September 26, 2000 at 12:20:23 (BST)
RICH:
i'll drink to that sugestion (once i finish the jamesons). CHRIS: much the same
response one might get south of the border when asking for a pot. I once flew
in the RE beergarden. truly. long story.
geoff again
- Tuesday, September 26, 2000 at 12:17:53 (BST)
hello
all. just back from my quick holiday, six days with my son george visiting the
country next door (new zealand). saw lots, no missile scares but the weather
did mean we missed out on visiting white island - an active volcano. will try
to get george's photos up on the web once they are developed. glad to see tourists
on the other side of the world are similarly enjoying themselves. CARSTEN: posh
would be having someone to dig the holes in the garden for me while i drank
the whiskey. resisted buying more whiskey duty free - bought bourbon for my
father instead. PETE C: at a mick thomas gig many years ago, after about the
first verse of the opening number 'away away' someone stepped on the multicore
and the sound cut out - leaving mick acoustic and four hundred odd punters carrying
the song for the rest of the way through. mick seemed impressed with the response,
commenting after the song: 'glad i didn't start with a new one then'.
geoff <geoffwilson@uq.net.au>
brisbane, australia - Tuesday, September 26, 2000 at 12:15:04 (BST)
What
dāya mean, ćnopeä, Theo ..? Just Īcause it aināt the link youāre thinking of
! I'll give yer "more tenuous..." I think my response is perfectly valid (from
'Upfield', of course).
Pete
- Tuesday, September 26, 2000 at 12:13:30 (BST)
Pete/Paul...Thanks
but Nope, I know where you're coming from though. This is an even more tenuous
link. Please keep trying.
Theo
London, - Tuesday, September 26, 2000 at 12:02:12 (BST)
Ian
McLagen, Nico Zentgraf? - but I can't paint the whole picture. Velvet Underground
thing...
Bogues <think I've sort of
got it...>
USA - Tuesday, September 26, 2000 at 11:44:50 (BST)
Is
Coopers Ale available overseas? It's well worth asking for. Fermented in the
bottle - very cloudy - magnificent taste.
chris <chrisgabbett@hotmail.com>
brisbane, australia - Tuesday, September 26, 2000 at 11:14:55 (BST)
Pete,
Dunno, it's not lonesome cowboy Bill is it? Have you read that book about Nico
'Songs they never play on the radio'? Well worth a look. As to Firkin, there's
a chain of dreadful pubs all with the name Firkin e.g Frog and Firkin, Bishop
and Firken etc in the title, usually selling badly kept beer at ludicrous prices.
Certainly the one in Canterbury is to be avoided at all costs
Paul W
Bratislava, - Tuesday, September 26, 2000 at 11:12:00 (BST)
Pete
- I've got no idea - But I have a question for gb readers. In my research I
came across a term that I had never heard before. Firkin. While it sounds like
the chef from the muppets swearing, it actually is a wooden barrell like receptacle,
used for transporting foodstuffs and beverages. I found in a seventeenth century
document. Has anyone seen this word used? Anywhere? I've embarked on something
of a campaign to bring it back. I asked at the Royal Exchange hotel (Toowong
in Brisbane) today for a firkin of Coopers Ale. Blank look - barlady looks sideways
at the doormen - pours the beer. It's catching on slowly...
chris <chrisgabbett@hotmail.com>
brisbane, australia - Tuesday, September 26, 2000 at 11:08:07 (BST)
Chris,
I'll mail you the "For a Short Time" tale off-list. Incidentally, a mate of
mine who went to the Reading gig (30 people there !!) on Sunday reports that
Mick described Saturday's gig at The Garage as a "ripper", which indeed it was.
And now another Billy Bragg starter for ten: there's a musical connection between
Billy Bragg and The Velvet Underground. What is it ?
Pete Crook <petecrook@bigfoot.com>
London, England - Tuesday, September 26, 2000 at 10:46:18 (BST)
Pete
C What is the story behind For a Short Time? cheers
chris <still at uni and it's
7:30>
Brisbane, Australia - Tuesday, September 26, 2000 at 10:30:54 (BST)
Bugger!
Too slow! Nice one Pete.
Paul W
Bratislava, - Tuesday, September 26, 2000 at 10:27:04 (BST)
Theo,
Something to do with Primrose Hill?
Paul W
Bratislava, - Tuesday, September 26, 2000 at 10:26:15 (BST)
He
got pissed there before going up on Primrose Hill and seeing all those angels
- *grin*. Incidentally, Theo et al, when we were debating which London vantage
point to take C & D to to get a view over the city, I forgot to mention the
symbolic Bragg connections of my (overruled...) suggestion, which was indeed
Primose Hill.
Pete Crook <petecrook@bigfoot.com>
London, England - Tuesday, September 26, 2000 at 10:23:18 (BST)
Happy
Birthday, Liz !!! :) ..Right all, if anyone can guess this, they'll be the BB
Trivia King/Queen for the next... for the next.. well until the next quiz (it's
pretty tricky). There's been a Pub in Islington called 'The Angel' for Centuries.
In Bragg Mythology, why might he have drank there ?
Theo
London, - Tuesday, September 26, 2000 at 10:00:10 (BST)
anyway,
you can't give up now steve. Carol and David are about to hit the North East!
Susan, my friends will enjoy seeing your appliance cartoons today when i drag
myself back to work.
sonj <promise
not to mention appliances for 24 hours.>
- Tuesday, September 26, 2000 at 09:33:57 (BST)
I
never thought this GB would degenerate to the level of the E-mail lists but
it sure has
steve
- Tuesday, September 26, 2000 at 08:45:05 (BST)
after
two years on this guestbook, I have to say the appliance discussions have finally
nailed my coffin lid..I'm off before I start to shop at Ikea and sheer 'twee'-dom
induced vomiting gets the better of me, see ya.
steve <happy wth all relevant
appliances>
working and warranty free, the fridge is a twat though....roll over George Orwell
- Tuesday, September 26, 2000 at 08:44:13 (BST)
Sonj,
go careful in the house, you might break something calcium based. We've had
a nightmare appliance time, but our boiler is working n
