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..and
if you don't watch it, I'll tell Attila, and he'll probably write a poem about
it...
Pete
London, England - Thursday, November 30, 2000 at 23:11:24 (GMT)
That
was one of the greatest Freudian slips of all times, Alice ! But anyway, I'll
be the guy wearing the Ian Dury "Live at the Palladium" t-shirt. Then again,
there may be lots of us... See you there ?
Pete Crook <petecrook@bigfoot.com>
London, England - Thursday, November 30, 2000 at 23:08:26 (GMT)
freudian
slip- its BAD memories, not bed ones!
alice
- Thursday, November 30, 2000 at 22:35:26 (GMT)
Nice
try on the B&H Albion front, but i'm not changing my alliances after all these
years. Plus I had 12 months of dating a Seagull fan so I have bed memories of
Withdean, and wet matches in Maccelsfield etc. Want a laugh? I'm now safely
arrived at my parents in London ready for saturday night...only problem is that
my tickets are at home in Brighton!!!!! Going to speak nicely to the barbican
tomorrow.
alice
brighton, uk - Thursday, November 30, 2000 at 22:34:10 (GMT)
Mark
! Nice one mate with the Christmas quiz. If anyone wants to laugh at my previous
efforts, they're at www.bigfoot.com/~petecrook. Braggy didn't know one of the
answers (which one ?) ... Yours totally hyper about seeing Bill on successive
nights in Belfast and Derry, then TMTCH at the Mean Fiddler the day after...
I'm going to lie down now.
Pete Crook <petecrook@bigfoot.com>
London, England - Thursday, November 30, 2000 at 21:43:07 (GMT)
well,
there's always next time. if you need some help with research let me know.
keri
- Thursday, November 30, 2000 at 21:24:50 (GMT)
Yes
Keri, Evidently NYU Bobst has a journal Health Physics that none of the major
medical school libraries much less CUNY carry. I am writing the paper as we
speak. I had no idea you worked there. If I had known.................
James
- Thursday, November 30, 2000 at 21:20:29 (GMT)
It's
here ! The Annual Billy Bragg Quiz is now launched and available at :- http://www.webone.com.au/~bragg
Just click on the quiz button to get there. Some questions you may find easy,
others very hard. The main thing is to have a bit of fun over the next month
and get an entry in before the end of the year. Any questions - just contact
me direct. (....and a special thankyou to Pete Crook for running the quiz in
the past, though I'm not sure I should thank him for persuading me to take over
;-)..........) - Enjoy ! - Mark - Braggtopia! The Ultimate Billy Bragg Website
http://www.webone.com.au/~bragg
Mark Warner
Braggtopia! - Thursday, November 30, 2000 at 21:14:49 (GMT)
In
Toys'R'Us and putting Billy's website up on all the available monitors. Makes
a change from strategically placing his CD's at the front of racks in record
shops. Things we do for kicks these days !!!
Bragg Activist
- Thursday, November 30, 2000 at 21:09:07 (GMT)
hi
james.. i heard you were here doing some research the other day. next time you'll
have to pop in and say hello.
keri
- Thursday, November 30, 2000 at 21:07:19 (GMT)
The
Information disclosed by the recent NAACP, proves that racism (covert) is alive
and well in the US. There appears to be a good body of evidence to conclude
that these voter irregularites were intentional, designed to keep certain groups
from voting in their representative numbers (mainly Blacks and Jews) and ensure
Geroge W. Bush carried the state and consequently the election.
James <summerfallwinterspring98@juno.com>
New Paltz, Bush League - Thursday, November 30, 2000 at 21:04:54 (GMT)
Anyone
here going to Bristol to see Billy tomorrow? I have my tickets, and am arranging
a meet with a fellow egrouper. Anyone else? Email me and we'll try and arrange
a meet.
Jon <jontout@yahoo.com>
Bristol, UK - Thursday, November 30, 2000 at 18:19:23 (GMT)
thanks
keri. good site
barbara
- Thursday, November 30, 2000 at 18:17:55 (GMT)
check
this out. http://www.nlcnet.org/report00/table_of_contents.htm
keri
- Thursday, November 30, 2000 at 18:15:49 (GMT)
Ooh,
cheers Dyl. Perhaps you could email me privately and we could sort something
out. I could trade you for it on tape / CD-R, or whatever.
Pete Crook <petecrook@bigfoot.com>
London, England - Thursday, November 30, 2000 at 17:41:15 (GMT)
Birmingham,
once managed by Barry Fry. Somehow that turns me off them.
Dyl
- Thursday, November 30, 2000 at 17:24:59 (GMT)
Re:Birmingham
City - Some of us still remember ... There will be no applause from us for Birmingham
(nasal whine) City.
Dickie
(Not) Billericay, - Thursday, November 30, 2000 at 17:11:18 (GMT)
While
on the subject of football, I think Birmingham City deserves at least a polite
round of applause for beating Newcastle United 2 - 1 in yesterday's Worthington
Cup match. Best game I've seen in a while. Pete - will you be back in time for
TMTCH @ MF then ?
Rich <bragglive@hotmail.com>
London, Half-England - Thursday, November 30, 2000 at 16:46:15 (GMT)
I
have Nkosi on cd (several versions) if that's any use. I might be able to get
it onto mp3 via a friend. More info if and when I get it.
Dyl
- Thursday, November 30, 2000 at 16:41:21 (GMT)
Plus
at Brighton and Hove Albion you get Attila the Stockbroker as your matchday
announcer. Plus he's their "poet in residence" !! Bizarre but true - see www.attilathestockbroker.com.
Incidentally, has anyone who's familiar with his music noticed how he occasionally
sneaks Brighton-related references into his songs "Albion", "seagulls" etc ?
Very funny.
Pete Crook <petecrook@bigfoot.com>
London, England - Thursday, November 30, 2000 at 16:32:30 (GMT)
Alice
- ignore that bollocks from Dickie. You're just down the coast from Portsmouth
- a team with real history, pride and a GREAT deal of pathos...
Boguespierre <No Scummers here,
thank you!>
Only 50 years since our last League Championship... - Thursday, November 30,
2000 at 16:11:57 (GMT)
luther
you're a fucking asshole as well. don't want you to feel left out.
keri
- Thursday, November 30, 2000 at 16:11:21 (GMT)
thank
you very much for the NAACP information, don't feel bad it was long. I just
copied your text and it'll go in my office (for what it's worth, at the Press
Association) and get forwarded to people.
chris <duckyfuzz@hotmail.com>
London, England - Thursday, November 30, 2000 at 16:08:28 (GMT)
What's
this, then? Contention on the BB guestbook? I thought this was supposed to be
a peaceful, lovely place whenever Mean Evil Luther isn't around to disturb it.
There goes that theory, eh?
Luther Gaylord
- Thursday, November 30, 2000 at 16:08:22 (GMT)
Alice:
Go and watch your local team Brighton instead - Bloody Premiership glory hunters...Oops
Southampton & Glory in the same message...Where do I live again?? Up the Hatters!!
Dickie
(Not) Billericay, - Thursday, November 30, 2000 at 16:00:46 (GMT)
I
never said everyone else would hate it. I stated an opinion, last I heard I
was entitled to such. This is no need to curse at me.
derik
- Thursday, November 30, 2000 at 15:44:15 (GMT)
I
can't believe how many messages get left here- i posted my first ever on Monday
and there's about 5 million since! thanks for the offer of meeting up before
the gig on sat- don't think i'll manage it. Quick request- sorry- Barmy Rob,
how do i possibly get a ticket for a Saints home game? According to their site
their is some big catch 22 about membership...advice please. just moved back
to the South coast and want to go see them. Oh, i'm former working class by
the way hence i like football but can finally afford the £23 to see them!!!
Off to London now to start preparing for the gig...looking forward to the 'reviews'
on Sunday/ Monday!
alice
brighton, uk - Thursday, November 30, 2000 at 15:43:09 (GMT)
doesn't
mean everyone else will hate it. fuck off.
keri
- Thursday, November 30, 2000 at 15:42:19 (GMT)
Umm,
yes. If I don't like it, I think it sucks. Isn't that what saying a song is
dreadful means?
derik
- Thursday, November 30, 2000 at 15:40:09 (GMT)
Wow
Wednesday actually won!!! I wish I could have watched the match... I just finished
reading Fever Pitch... great book. hey derik just cause you don't like the song
doesn't mean it sucks.
keri
NYC, - Thursday, November 30, 2000 at 15:38:20 (GMT)
Does
anyone know the location of an MP3 of NkosiSikelel' iAfrika, the apartheid era
Īblackā national anthem of South Africa ? Iām looking for the original Xhosa
version, not the version that is currently the official national anthem of that
country. Ta.
Pete Crook <petecrook@bigfoot.com>
London, England - Thursday, November 30, 2000 at 15:34:50 (GMT)
And
if you are really lucky he will play that dreadful song 'Dreadbelly'.
derik
- Thursday, November 30, 2000 at 14:51:22 (GMT)
I'm
so excited, I and I just can't keep it in no more. I'm going to see Billy Bragg
tomorrow in Bristol!!!!!1
Dyl
- Thursday, November 30, 2000 at 14:40:13 (GMT)
slow
TV day?
.
- Thursday, November 30, 2000 at 14:06:49 (GMT)
Didn't
realize that last one was so long. I will never do that again.
Sorry
- Thursday, November 30, 2000 at 13:53:21 (GMT)
I
spent several hours this morning watching the NAACP public hearing on the Florida
vote on C-SPAN. Having done so, it is very clear to me that there was a systematic
and calculated effort to lessen the Gore vote by denying the franchise to as
many African Americans as possible. May I be forgiven for suspecting that the
conspiracy was hatched in the Bush family bedroom, to be presided over by the
No. 1 person in the Florida elections committee triumvirate -- Jeb Bush? The
hearing was orderly, well run, and transcribed by a court reporter and was presided
over by NAACP President (and former Congressional Black Caucus chairman) Kweisi
Infumi. The hearing was much like a Congressional hearing (but without the wordwaste
and puffery that usually dominates Congressional hearings), there were several
panels of witnesses, 2 to 4 people per panel. The witnesses included voters
who were denied the right to vote, NAACP activists who worked the get-out-the-vote
effort all day, NAACP phone-standby volunteers who worked the phones fielding
election-day complaints, poll workers and news media people. The witnesses were
all credible and impressive, their information detailed and often accompanied
by notes with names, dates, places. I would not hesitate to call any of these
people as witnesses if I were handling a lawsuit on their behalf. Witnesses
testified that they (and family members and others in their presence) were denied
the right to vote because they "were not on the rolls" even though some of them
had their voter registration cards as well as identification showing their names
and addresses. This violates Florida law. In many cases, the poll workers who
refused them declined to make any effort to validate their status and told them
to "come back later." Some poll workers were sympathetic and attempted to get
approval for the voters to go ahead and vote but were denied by "headquarters."
THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT: Two poll workers testified that they had been instructed
by "headquarters" that they should apply "qualification" procedures VERY STRICTLY
and if there is the slightest doubt, DENY THE REQUEST TO VOTE. They were also
told to refrain from giving out any written verification of the refused voters'
requests, including affidavits (this is illegal; the law REQUIRES that any voter
whose attempt is challenged be given an affidavit of challenge signed under
oath by the poll worker). And in fact, many of the denied voters asked for an
affidavit or something in writing to prove they had attempted to vote and ALL
such requests were refused. NONE were given the chance to cast a "challenge
ballot" (which I gather is similar to the "provisional ballot" that is used
in California when there is a dispute as to whether someone is entitled to vote
or not). Witnessses testified that they and others who were African American
(but not white) voters were asked to provide BOTH photo ID and a current voter
registration card and many who could not do so were denied the right to vote
even though the law does not require that the voters present both ID and voter
registration cards. A newswoman who spent all day at various polling places
witnessed the above time and time again. When she tried to intervene, she was
threatened with arrest. This newswoman (who happens to be white and a former
policewoman) accompanied one black voter to SIX polling places as she was turned
away time after time because, despite her having a voter card and ID, she was
told "this is not your polling place. Finally, she returned to her original
polling place and was allowed, finally, to vote. The newswoman testified that
at one polling place in Healdsberg County, there were numerous police cars who
were stopping African American voters and asking for ID and "what are you doing
here?" She saw them stop one elderly man after he left the polls, order him
to "assume the position" and question him, as he tried to explain he had just
voted (and was wearing a button that said "I voted"). When she tried to intervene,
she was told to move on or she would be arrested, and when she did so out of
fear for her safety, she was followed for several miles by a police car. This
newswoman, who is white and a former policewoman, broke town in tears because
she was ashamed that she left the scene. The newswoman testified that she was
leaked a list of over a thousand absentee voters by an election official. This
was a list of absentee voters who were disqualified for being "felons" (their
votes were not counted but they were not informed of the rejection of their
vote or the opportunity to challenge it; the Republican commissioner who leaked
the list told the newswoman that the instructions were to NOT notify the rejected
absentee voters of their disqualification. The newswoman happened to know one
of the people on the list and it is someone she knows has never been convicted
of a crime, let alone a felony. Many witnesses testified that people who came
in to vote were required to answer a litany of questions even though they were
on the rolls and had ID, the questions had to do with whether they had been
convicted of a felony since the last time they voted, was their address correct,
etc. Only African Americans appeared to be asked these questions. A police lieutenant
testified that a box of ballots was sitting in the police station. Someone called
in that it had not been picked up. The police department claimed that they had
tried to call the election commission on Friday but nobody answered because
it was a holiday. As of now (actually, the hearing was Saturday but C-SPAN aired
it this morning), the box is still sitting in the police evidence room, sealed
with evidence tape. A minister testified that nobody ever came to pick up the
box at his church (a polling place for his precinct) and STILL HAS NOT DONE
SO!! The president of Haitian Women of Miami testified that she was threatened
with arrest for attempting to enter the polling booth to help first time Haitian
voters who needed translation assistance, and even though she presented a copy
of the statute that permits such assistance inside the booth she was told that
she would be arrested if she did not leave and the police were actually called.
None of the Creole speakers who asked for Creole ballots (which were printed
for the first time this election) were given them and although there were Creole
speaking volunteers present to assist those voters, they were denied the right
to do so. Handicapped people were able to get into some polling places but the
polling booths were not acceptable to them and requests for special ballots
or other assistance was denied in African American precincts, according to the
witnesses. I could go on...but is it necessary? These are THOUSANDS of denied
voters. Does anyone not know a pattern and practice of obstruction when they
see it? Does anyone not see the last gasp of the OLD SOUTH being called upon
one more time to put its own man into the White House? Thusands of voters were
deliberately and systematically denied their right to vote because Bush's brother
and his cronies knew they were voting for Gore. WHERE IS THE NEWS MEDIA? Why
is this damning evidence not on the FRONT PAGE OF EVERY NEWSPAPER IN THE COUNTRY?
Why is it being COMPLETELY suppressed on the corporate media television stations
and in the corporate print media? Why is the systematic denial of the Voting
Rights Act tolerated? There is no remedy other than to allow EVERY SINGLE DENIED
VOTER HIS AND HER VOTE. NOW. And we who have volunteered to uphold justice have
the responsibility to do whatever we can to ensure that occurs, whether its
volunteer in the legal fights, write letters, emails and faxes, raise or give
money, call our news media, call our congressional people, or if necessary,
engage in civil disobedience in memory of Martin Luther King, the little girls
who were burned to death in a church and every racist atrocity that has been
brought back to life by the shame in Florida. If not now, when? If not us, who?
THE RACIAL PROFILING OF THE FLORIDA VOTE IS THE CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS -- not
the delay in crowning King George. Susan Guberman-Garcia, Attorney at Law. Phone:
510-792-2639 Fax/Voicemail:: 510-405-2016 Email: susangg@megapathdsl.net
Red Whoever-I-am <On
my way to work@ too tired to be a wench today>
coffee, more coffee, please - Thursday, November 30, 2000 at 13:51:50 (GMT)
Rob:
Champagne Socialist!!? I've never been assused of being one of those before
:( I can't hang around today I have to whip the Gamekeeper - We had bloody poachers
again last night :)
Dickie
(Not) Billericay, - Thursday, November 30, 2000 at 13:23:18 (GMT)
I've
checked out flight times/prices, and there's no way I can get back for the TMTCH
bash next Saturday. Bugger. But anyone who can get there, I thoroughly reccomend
it. If you've never seen TMTCH live, they're one of the best live bands going.
The Fiddler is a great venue, should be a fantastic night. And a fiver says
Attila turns up to do 'Iron Men of Rap'.
Paul W
Bratislava, - Thursday, November 30, 2000 at 11:02:15 (GMT)
The
answer to my question yesterday, which sent a shockwave of apathy across the
message board is: A Grants Not Fees Demo in Sheffield. Billy was playing at
the festival of political song that night and whilst he was there appeared at
the rally.
Dyl
- Thursday, November 30, 2000 at 10:52:20 (GMT)
Fwiw
the quote I posted was indeed from an Alan Hull song ("All Fall Down", on Lindisfarne's
"Dingly Dell"), as Bob stated. The Bragg connection is that this was the song
he was supposed to be recording for an Alan Hull tribute album. I have this
from the horse's mouth, as it were, but that was about a year ago, so I guess
that one's probably bitten the dust. Shame.
Pete Crook <petecrook@bigfoot.com>
London, England - Thursday, November 30, 2000 at 10:08:10 (GMT)
Actually,
I want to see Billy Elliot. I've been busy busy busy and haven't seen a movie
since Almost Famous (highly recommended) but the next one I see will be Billy
Elliot. So there. And I bet I get it.
Barbara <justcauseimanamurricandontmeanimdum>
icanhandleeasyconcepts, whydotheyhavetospeakinthatfunnyaccent? - Thursday, November
30, 2000 at 07:49:46 (GMT)
Wow,
Keri! Pretty good prediction on the Hammers-Wednesday game. Ain't gonna make
you a friend of BB tho'...
Bogues
- Thursday, November 30, 2000 at 04:18:12 (GMT)
I'm
still awaiting the sequel to Cabin Boy. Even if it's just a fraction as good
as the original, I'll happily plunk down $8.00 blinkered American dollars to
see it. With or without that Lettermen fella!
Chris Elliot
- Thursday, November 30, 2000 at 02:23:38 (GMT)
Huh
I follow links that people post - also I very rarely read cut 'n' pasted stuff
which is mindbendingly difficult to read on here 'cos the guestbook strips out
the paragraphs. Billy Elliot hasn't opened here yet - but I'll let you know
what a load of bastards you sons and daughters of the USA are as soon as I have
seen it.
Jon D
- Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 23:47:30 (GMT)
Paolo,
Paolo what's the score ?!!! Much as I love Billy (and Democratic Socialism)I
detest that white-booted prima donna. Revenge is sweet.
DeliriousOwl
Calgary, Canada - Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 22:57:13 (GMT)
Interesting
article about Billy and a funny picture, see: www.independent.co.uk/news/People/Profiles/2000-11/askbragg291100.shtml
KC Wind
Sky Londa, - Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 22:15:37 (GMT)
Pete
C: Sorry to cut out so soon. If I had the time to argue with folks, I would.
Real life makes that a luxurious passtime these days. Maybe after this semester
is over I can come back and give Luther a couple of reamings to waste his time
on.
Red Robin
- Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 22:06:51 (GMT)
Okay
Dickie, I'm jealous now - home in the country. Bloody champagne socialists :)
Barmy Rob
- Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 22:06:00 (GMT)
Just
out of curiosity - how many people actually go to the links people post in lieu
of direct answers to questions? Also, how many people can afford to see ANYBODY
at $50 a shot? There is just so far a working class paycheck (or in my case
4 paychecks) can go after the kids are fed and the bills (at least some of them)
get paid. I can't do the $50 bit, but I'll play a BB CD or two on New Year's
Eve.
Red Robin <rjbmuse@yahoo.com>
- Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 22:03:05 (GMT)
...or
a deluxe apartment in the sky.
Michael
- Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 22:00:31 (GMT)
I'm
back. Did I miss anything? Pete, I'm going to guess that that song inspired
Bill to move from the "dirty old town" to the clean and refreshing village by
the sea.
Bob
US - Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 21:37:16 (GMT)
I'll
echo what Barbra says about this guestbook community, I'm trying to get into
an online chat at the BBC site, and I've been waiting to connect for nearly
30 minutes.
Jon
Bristol, UK - Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 21:32:25 (GMT)
Bob
is out of the office and, even if he were here, he has a note from his mother
excusing him from any tests. Thank you,
Bob's Staff
USA - Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 21:30:29 (GMT)
I'm
sorry Keri, I'm not trying to make light. Who has cancer that you know? You
can write me off line if you like, unfortunately I have a little experience
with friends/family members with cancer. Off to work now.
Barbara <bigrafx@home.com>
- Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 20:35:12 (GMT)
...*direct*
connection was what I meant, of course.
Pete Crook <petecrook@bigfoot.com>
London, England - Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 20:32:15 (GMT)
i've
never known anyone with cancer before.
keri
- Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 20:31:04 (GMT)
OK,
and the real test, Bob: what's the diect Bragg connection with this song ? And
you won't find it on the web this time.
Pete Crook <petecrook@bigfoot.com>
London, England - Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 20:28:18 (GMT)
Elvis
Costello?
Barbara
- Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 20:23:40 (GMT)
But
Keri life is good (for most of us here). We have jobs and or computers to work
on, it may be early winter but that means spring is on the way, you get to see
Billy Bragg at the Bottom Line on NYEve (i am jealous), you have an excellent
community of people here on the guestbook to try and cheer you up and the best
most entertaining presidential election we may ever experience. Whoo hoo hoo!
Barbara <hamandcheesesandwichwalksintoabarandthebartendersays>
sorry, wedon'tservefoodhere - Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 20:22:56 (GMT)
Keri,
I hope Carol poked holes in the box.
Bob
USA - Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 20:21:39 (GMT)
carol...
i just received shawn in the mail. and yes, he is really cute.
keri
- Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 20:14:35 (GMT)
it's
just we all need some cheering up here
keri
- Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 20:12:21 (GMT)
Alan
Hull.
Bob
USA - Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 20:11:11 (GMT)
Another
question (and this is all in the spirit of the Bragg Christmas Quiz, which Mark
Warner has taken on - cheers mate !). Who wrote a song which opens with these
lines, and what's the Bragg connection ? "Councillors, magistrates, men of renown,
who needs to live in a dirty old town: yes go on, tear it down." (sung with
biting - so much so that it hurts - socialist sarcasm). A classic, actually.
Pete Crook <petecrook@bigfoot.com>
London, England - Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 20:05:04 (GMT)
Keri,
what is fair to you may not be fair to me. Life just is, it sucks at a constant
rate and that is all. I am an optimist by the way, I just don't expect things
to turn out the way I want them to just cause I want them to.
Barbara <sometimesyoueatthebearsometimesthebeareatsyou>
tritebuttrue, workhardforwhatyouwantandtakesolaceinthat - Wednesday, November
29, 2000 at 20:04:39 (GMT)
you're
right life doesn't have those abilities but people do. maybe i should have said
people aren't fair.
keri
- Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 19:40:20 (GMT)
Fair
- 6 a : marked by impartiality and honesty : free from self-interest, prejudice,
or favoritism (a very fair person to do business with) b (1) : conforming with
the established rules ... Life has neither the ability to show interest or prejudice
nor rules, so of course it cannot be fair.
derik
- Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 19:29:40 (GMT)
bad
things happening to good people isn't fair.
keri
- Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 19:24:58 (GMT)
What
is fair? and is it like Scarborough Fair?
derik
- Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 19:19:23 (GMT)
ok
sheff wed. vs. west ham...i think it will be wed. by 2 goals.
keri
- Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 19:15:19 (GMT)
bob,
i disagree.
keri
- Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 18:43:33 (GMT)
"[Life]...
isn't right and it isn't fair" ----- "So what? Neither is Joe Louis's left leg."
Spike Milligan <A long time ago>
- Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 18:15:57 (GMT)
Life
is fair. Your turn.
Bob
USA - Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 17:43:23 (GMT)
Rob:
Nay 'tis even smaller than a hamlet (But don't tell anyone)Shamefully but not
surprisingly the local Labour Party have remained silent on the issue. The Tories
seem to have split themselves into two factions the "It'll be good for local
business bigots" and the "Blue rinse NIMBY brigade". There have been a number
of pickets by refugee support groups with leaflets distributed about detention
centres and the wider asylum issue but it would be safe to say that these have
been less than warmly recieved.
Dickie
(Not) Billericay, - Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 17:42:51 (GMT)
life
just isn't fair. discuss.
keri
- Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 17:34:31 (GMT)
Keri,
I'm here. Who woulda guessed?
Bob
USA - Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 17:27:21 (GMT)
anyone
out there?????
keri
- Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 17:14:24 (GMT)
Oh,
and want to say thanks for the discussion of racism in England. The detention
center sounds frightening. In California, we've got a Prison Industrial Complex,
with privatization making this industry profitable and convenient slave labor
to do any number of tasks (Victoria's Secret, Chevron and other companies use
prison labor). Do y'all have privately run/owned prisons over there?
Susan
Santa Cruz, CA, USA - Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 16:23:02 (GMT)
More
useless statistics (from yesterday): the following searches brought people to
this page - 'thong video feed', 'hairy buttocks photos', and 'astrological signs
of the backstreet boys'. The 'average visitor', whoever that might be, had viewed
this page 275 times before.
Bragg Office <there's a thong
in my heart>
- Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 16:12:07 (GMT)
Dickie.
I'd have thought the hamlet dwellers [:)] would appreciate a nice prison to
welcome the asylum seekers... Is there a nimby or an enlightened campaign against
it?
Barmy Rob
- Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 16:01:45 (GMT)
good
morning toby, thanks for the article...
keri
- Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 15:47:31 (GMT)
"Yes,
I am rich in that I earn much more than the average wage in Britain but I'm
not so rich that I could give up work tomorrow. I'm nowhere near that" says
BB. Serves him right for not making more of an effort to work with the Spice
Girls.
Boguespierre <No
wonder he needs the $50 gigs, tee-hee...>
- Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 15:31:07 (GMT)
Anyone
know of any search engines that search specifically for Real Video. I'm looking
for Masive Attacks Unfinished Sympathy video.
Barmy Rob
- Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 14:47:53 (GMT)
Rob
Lang calls for a united Irish football team :) Jack Straw is an idiot; the English
left should be looking to a future without an English imperialist hegemony over
Wales & Scotland (see above for the other 6 counties):) The fact is ONLY the
English (and Ulster (sic) Unionists) have ever truly regarded themselves as
British. RECLAIM ENGLISHNESS!!!!!
Barmy Rob
- Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 14:39:28 (GMT)
I
forgot about the Bogle link, but the one I had in mind was Thomas Paine. Bill
went out drinking with him and The Men were inspired by him while they were
waiting for Bonaparte. BTW I have to seriously twist my arms about that Mean
Fiddler gig, the chance to see Kirsty MacColl live (apart from festivals) is
too rare a treat to miss.
Jon
Bristol, UK - Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 14:24:02 (GMT)
Critics,
especially steve, are raving about this year's pleasant surprise achievement
in movie making, Billy Oliver. "...You will never understand the film, everyone
should see it!" and "I DONT EXPECT SILLY FUCKING AMERICAN BLINKERED ARSEHOLES
TO UNDERSTAND IT," and finally, perhaps the film's biggest endorsement, "Everyone
should see it..it tells a tale."
Michael
Blinkered , America - Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 14:18:49 (GMT)
The
Mean Fiddler closing down? Say it ain't so. So many great gigs down the years.
TMTCH more times than I can count, Billy, American Music Club, Boothill Foot
tappers, Lemonheads, stumbling in hungover to McCavity's Cat every Sunday lunchtime,
the McCabees first London gig, McDermotts Two Hours. Fuckin' hell I must be
getting old. That's the most upsetting news I've heard in ages.
Paul W
Bratislava, - Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 14:04:20 (GMT)
British
Football team: The only benefit would be gaining a decent left sided player.
Dickie
- Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 13:37:56 (GMT)
That's
what happens when you go off line to write. Someone makes your point for you.
Thanks Siobhan.
Dickie
(Not) Billericay, - Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 13:35:55 (GMT)
Billy
answers the question "Are You Rich?" here http://www.independent.co.uk/news/People/Profiles/2000-11/askbragg291100.shtml
Bragg Office
- Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 13:34:49 (GMT)
I
didn't mean to make North London sound like a utopian ethnic melting pot of
course there is racism but unlike SE London where the fascists are still trying
to get a foot hold it is perhaps less "naked" (Cheers Tettland)I have heard
that the situation has worsened with a lot of discrimination from all sides
of the community towards the Kosovan refugees. I don't live in a village - I'm
more remote than that, (Think "Little house on the prairie" 12 miles from Bedford
& Luton) but I accept the point. The reason asylum seekers are an issue here
is because the Government is planning to open the detention centre to top all
detention centres a few miles up the road. 24-hour security, 12-foot fencing
topped with razor wire. Welcome to Great Britain!?
Dickie
(Not) Billericay, Not so GB - Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 13:28:04 (GMT)
TMTCH
update: the gig is being billed as ćone last tango in Harlesdenä, and is indeed
the VERY LAST GIG EVER at the Fiddler as itās closing down. (Pete breaks down
in tears). Tickets ARE on sale NOW ö Kirsty isnāt yet confirmed, but The Men
are. Ironically, were in not for the fact that Bill is playing Galway that night,
Iām sure heād be there too.
Pete Crook <petecrook@bigfoot.com>
London, England - Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 13:27:49 (GMT)
That's
the last ever night of the Mean Fiddler as well before it closes and the name
moves to the LA2.
Saturday Sam
- Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 13:07:44 (GMT)
Oh,
and Kirsty MacColl is supporting The Men, and no, I'm not making this up (wonder
if my wife will mind me hopping off the plane from Belfast and legging is straight
down the Fiddler...)
Pete
London, England - Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 12:47:24 (GMT)
TMTCH
!!! Inspired by all this talk about one of the very best live bands EVER, I
checked out their website (http://www.listen.to/tmtch), and they are playing
a one-off gig at the Mean Fiddler, Harlesden, London, on December 9. That's
Saturday week !! Unmissable (if you can get there).
Pete Crook <petecrook@bigfoot.com>
London, England - Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 12:41:02 (GMT)
Thats
if the comments from the mums in the school playground this morning are anything
to go by.
siobhan
- Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 12:33:46 (GMT)
Yeah,
I agree with Dickies analysis but I still live in an ethnically mixed working
class area of North London and racism is rife. But it seems to be subject to
vagaries of fashion. I believe this week its the Kosovan family recently housed
in the luxurious temporary accommodation down my street.
siobhan
- Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 12:31:34 (GMT)
Billy
& TMTCH were on the same bill at Clapham Common a few years back , I know cos
I got there just in time to hear Billy say goodbye and walk off the stage. Then
had to listen to the Men diddly diddly there way through their set . Actually
one of TMTCH stayed on my sofa after a gig years ago , do you know he wipes
his arse with A4 paper. Well he had to, student days etc etc .
Ajaxx
- Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 12:07:42 (GMT)
On
air in December : Billy will be a guest of Pete and Geoff on their Virgin Radio
show which goes out in the UK at 9pm on Sunday, December 3. An interview and
a couple of acoustic tracks are promised. He will also be recording a festive
song at DJ John Peel's house for the John Peel Festive 50 transmitting on Radio
1, December 19.
From the News Section (also on this site, would you believe ?)
- Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 11:55:04 (GMT)
In
ref to my earlier question, It was in 1997 and it was Billy who made an announcement
to that effect at the rally.
Dyl
- Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 11:51:16 (GMT)
Jack
Straw has called for united British football team: Discuss
Dyl
- Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 11:46:44 (GMT)
Dickie.
I'm playing devil's advocate myself slightly - I think your answer is spot on,
thoughI lived in an ethnically mixed working class area of South East London
and racism was definitely an issue. As regards asylum seekers I think the governments
actions had more to do with appeasing (and pleasing) the rascist voters that
live in your Bedfordshire village & who have probably never even met an asylum
seeker...
Barmy Rob
- Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 11:46:17 (GMT)
Whilst
we are in a quiz mode: What was Bill's first protest rally under a Labour Government?
Dyl
- Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 11:42:10 (GMT)
I
thought I'd seen TMTCH and Billy on the same bill at a free gig mid to late
eighties but then remembered sadly it was The Boothill Foot Tappers. Carol having
answered many questions courtesy of Her Majestys Customs and Excise Dept. your
parcel is in the post.
siobhan <get your hands
out of my drawers>
- Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 11:34:53 (GMT)
TMTCH
/ BB on the same bill: nice one Paul - I didn't think of festivals. In fact
I think they probably also both played the May 5 1997 TUC May Day Festival in
Finsbury Park, London. Bill certainly did - his first *ever* gig under a Labour
Government (literally). I had to leave early but I'm fairly sure The Men were
down to play later. Looking forward to getting more Blyth Power - cheers again
mate - I have been playing "Paradise Razed" incessantly since I discovered it.
Better late than never. Highly, highly recommended.
Pete Crook <petecrook@bigfoot.com>
London, England - Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 11:07:43 (GMT)
Readers
in London & the South East: Defend Council Housing is for want of a better definition
a broad coalition opposing the Governments housing green paper. They have organised
a lobby of Parliament for January 24th 2001. Details at www.defendcouncilhousing.org.uk
Dickie
(Not) Billericay, - Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 11:06:46 (GMT)
Oh
yeah, and they have shared a gig, Pheonix 1993,back tent line up - Martin Stephenson,
followed by TMTCH followed by Billy. Three of my favourite acts one after the
other. Well worth 50 quid. They were also on the same day of Reading '89 (Saturday
I think), along with Les Negresses Vertes and the Pogues
Paul W
Bratislava, - Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 10:30:17 (GMT)
Billy/TMTCH
- er.. is it 'The Green fields of France' and 'My youngest son came home today'.
Both written by Eric Bogle?. Pete, I'll be back in England soon, so I'll do
you a tape of some TMTCH stuff and any Blyth Power I've got knocking around.
Paul w
Bratislava, - Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 10:25:56 (GMT)
Howdy.
Can anyone recall the exact BB quote, something to the effect that Americans
should be careful because, they elect a President that the whole world has to
live with...something like that. Anyone? All the best.
brendo <brendan@accesshub.net>
- Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 09:29:31 (GMT)
Barmy
- Conspiracy is not the term I would have used but the cases of Surjit Singh
Chhokar (see guardianunlimited) and Zahid Mubarek are just two examples from
the last month where the racism of the state has been plain to see. If you add
to that the treatment of our asylum seekers (detention centres & luncheon vouchers)Stephen
Lawrence and hundreds of other cases you start to see the bigger picture. The
BNP or any form of organised rasicm / fascism should of course always be opposed
both physically and intellectually. I don't think I suggested otherwise?? As
for the greater tolerance of the middle class I don't necessarily think this
is true. I grew up in an ethnically mixed working class area of North London
where racism was rarely an issue. I now live in an almost exclusively middleclass
area of rural Bedfordshire and encounter it in one form or another on a regular
basis.
Dickie
(Not) Billericay, - Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 09:12:48 (GMT)
but
then if you havent seen it barm, go now
steve
- Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 08:12:21 (GMT)
sorry
Barbara I didnt explain it to you clearly, I DONT EXPECT SILLY FUCKING AMERICAN
BLINKERED ARSEHOLES TO UNDERSTAND IT
Steve <taste your own medicine>
- Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 08:10:15 (GMT)
...prevalent
amongst the working class, that should read.
Tettland
- Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 08:08:43 (GMT)
Barmy
Rob: in answer to your post of Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 20:38:57 (GMT)see
my post of - Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 13:40:00 (GMT). No one responded
but I think I attempt to deal with your later question. How do you explain the
endemic racism in the British legal system, for example, other than through
widespread middle class racism? As a former member of the southern English working
class I'm not trying to suggest that racism isn't prevalent, too. Just more
naked, maybe.
Tettland <tettland@hotmail.com>
- Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 08:07:43 (GMT)
Obscure
Clue Time: Billy didn't 'meet' him.
Jon
Bristol, UK - Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 07:53:38 (GMT)
But
if we'll never understand the film, why should we go see it?
Barbara <itsastretchbutithinkillgetit>
ivebeeninabitofalaborstrugglemyself, humorremember? - Wednesday, November 29,
2000 at 07:34:28 (GMT)
Hey
! Hold off on the quiz questions - I keep having to think up new ones !
Mark Warner
Braggtopia, - Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 07:14:58 (GMT)
Ive
just been to see Billy Elliot and what a wondeful film, very very accurate about
the sunderland co.durham way of life and the families reaction to the kid taking
up ballet was spot on and the way they changed their minds was also typical
of my poeple...unless you understand real miners villages you will never understabnd
the film, everyone should see it..it tells a tale
steve <now fuck off again>
- Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 05:32:02 (GMT)
sunderland
2 v 1 manchester united
steve
- Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 05:29:41 (GMT)
Howard:
Love is like oxygen, love is a battlefield, love is a muscle, and love is a
many splendor thing. Love, Howard, is never having to say, "I'll be 'off-line'
in a minute dear."
Michael
Moon River, - Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 01:45:12 (GMT)
Ulster
Frydom for all! We're taking over boys and girls..............Ulster FRRRRRRRRRRYYYYYYYYYY
Tribe called ? <Ifeanyi4ever@yahoo.com>
Alternative, Ulster - Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 01:09:10 (GMT)
Thanks
for the question, Jon. I'm sure you had a different answer in mind...
Pete Crook
London, England - Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 00:11:17 (GMT)
OK,
and here's a good alternative answer (and it's true): my wife, Jill. On our
first date I took her to see The Men They Couldn't Hang at the Forum (yes, really
- would you marry this guy ?), and I've been enticing her to Bragg gigs ever
since. Ask her at the Barbican next Saturday if you don't believe me...
Pete Crook
London, England - Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 00:05:51 (GMT)
Who
links BB and TMTCH ? Weddings Parties Anything, and Mick Thomas in particular.
Too many connections even to think about rabbitting on about at bedtime - bye
folks - (though I can't think offhand of a direct one between Bill and The Men,
and in fact I don't think they've ever shared a stage together, strangely).
Pete Crook <petecrook@bigfoot.com>
London, England - Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 23:49:59 (GMT)
Jon,
nice thought, but no.
Jon
Bristol, UK - Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 23:17:18 (GMT)
Billy
Bragg and TMTCH are both hated by Nicky Wire of MSP - or so NW said in an interview
with the NME [if memory serves] - hows that?
Jon D <joinedup@yahoo.co.uk>
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 23:01:40 (GMT)
Thanks
for responding to my e-mail about Secret of the Sea so quickly Toby.
Sue <finally@homewithabeer>
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 22:43:17 (GMT)
Another
pre xmas quiz question. Who links Billy Bragg to The Men They Couldn't Hang,
(apart from PeteC & I who both think they're excellent!)
Jon
Bristol, UK - Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 22:39:02 (GMT)
JCC
you honey monster - that Joseph line kept me and me mates going throughout the
dark times of Mag. And now you will always see a nipple in the Daily Express.
don't you just love the third way Mr Fukiyama.
Gouldy
Mile End, - Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 22:08:15 (GMT)
Nice
to hear Patrik Fitzgerald and JCC's names being bandied around here. But the
answer is: Robb Johnson ("Upstairs Downstairs"). Another one of West London's
finest, along with his mate Leon Rosselson. Actually this is a massively powerful
song, sung in a disarmingly throwaway style. Do a friend a favour, and buy her/him
Robb's excellent album "Margaret Thatcher: My Part in her Downfall" for Christmas.
Pete Crook <petecrook@bigfoot.com>
London, England - Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 22:06:25 (GMT)
I
likes Patrik Fitzgerald.
derik
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 21:29:22 (GMT)
Barm,
I think that's a question for Annie Lennox.
Howard
High Wycombe, UK - Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 21:27:04 (GMT)
Mr
Crook was it Patrik Fizgerald da punk poet? Do I get two Barbican tickets quizzmaster?
who said Keith Joseph smiles and a baby dies?
Gouldy
Mile End, - Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 21:26:23 (GMT)
Howard
Jones.......Why?
Barmy Rob
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 21:19:40 (GMT)
Belial's
Barrister. An entirely plausible proposition. How many times have I heard the
phrase "I'm not racist.......but"
Barmy Rob
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 21:18:54 (GMT)
truth?
love? things to be cynical about...
keri
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 21:17:48 (GMT)
Howard,
I believe it's willing to stay in the same room as your partner, a minute after
orgasm !
A. Bounder
Chipping-After, - Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 21:10:59 (GMT)
What
is Love?
Howard Jones
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 21:01:42 (GMT)
What
is Love?
Howard Jones
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 21:01:40 (GMT)
What
is truth anyway?
derik
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 20:59:42 (GMT)
Rob,
do you think it could come down to honesty ? When answering such questionnaires,
the working-class might answer truthfully, whereas, the middle-classes may give
what they believe to be the PC answer ?
Hade's Advocate
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 20:57:04 (GMT)
I'm
a bit concerned that Theo may have had problems following Arsenal's retreat
from Moscow (it's OK Theo, others have failed there...), but I think it'll all
come good next weekend. See you at the Barbican, mate. Don't rate your chances
Monday week, mind.
Pete Crook
London, England - Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 20:48:45 (GMT)
Sonj.
Ah yes that reminds me - must email Theo.... see you there - do you have my
mobile number?
Barmy Rob
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 20:39:50 (GMT)
Dickie.
Whilst I think there is an element of truth to what you say (though I see no
conspiracy), does this mean that I should feel sympathy for members of the BNP
rather than hatred? Also - how do you explain, both the greater toleration of
the middle class & also those working class people who choose tolerance over
bigotry?
Barmy Rob
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 20:38:57 (GMT)
Thanks
Rob!. I'll print that off before i leave and i'll see you there. Any news from
Theo?
sonj
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 20:37:05 (GMT)
Sonj.
We are meeting at 5 at Pizza Express on Cowcros street. turn left out of Farringdon
tube - it's about 100 yards on your left. Luther. According to your definition
I am working class.
Barmy Rob
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 20:35:05 (GMT)
steve,
i thought we had sorted our differences. :( When i get back on line properly
i'll mail you. Hope you are well and working in a job you like.
sonj
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 20:31:17 (GMT)
looks
as if i have missed a good couple of days on here. Still not on line at the
new place, just tv e-mail. Will catch up with the gossip at the barbican on
saturday, i'll watch this space for details of where to meet up. I have decided
to give my (signed) braggpuss t-shirt a last outing and i will probably be wearing
my favourite hat too, just in case you can't spot me jumping up and down in
the front row!
sonj
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 20:28:05 (GMT)
Quick
pre-Christmas quiz question (cheers Mark W for taking this on - *grin*). Who
wrote a great song, with justified anti-Thatcher venom: "You can stuff it, you
can stick it, and I'll see you on the picket - the working woman and the working
man". Clue: it wasn't Bill, but the songwriter has played with Bill at the Albert
Hall in London.
Pete Crook <petecrook@bigfoot.com>
London, England - Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 20:24:06 (GMT)
and
all went quiet
grrrr
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 20:13:28 (GMT)
Well
after that last post, you have outdone yourself.
derik
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 19:37:43 (GMT)
Derik,
just today?
Bob
USA - Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 19:34:31 (GMT)
no
graduate students this time
keri
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 19:33:54 (GMT)
Bob:
I get the feeling you have too much time on your hands today.
derik
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 19:33:00 (GMT)
stop
chatting and gather round. Which one of you horney handed sons/daughters of
talk is going to tell me where i can get/aquire/barter/buy/trade/arbitrage two
tickets for the (rich) people's republic of the Barbican gig. and remember don't
bogart that chad my friend
Gouldy <Gouldy@hickorywind.demon.co.uk>
Mile End, - Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 19:32:15 (GMT)
should
have read "keri, that would be..."
susan
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 19:23:31 (GMT)
That
would be your co-workers, yes? Or are you expressing lingering resentment of
Reagan?
susan
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 19:22:50 (GMT)
Toby,
while less often is more I don't think that it's so in this case. "Hmm" can
be easily mistaken for a mistyped "him," or "hum," or "ham," or even "hem."
while the extra "m" in "hmmm" makes it clear that the writer does indeed intend
to express a state of pondering or mild bewilderment. Therefore, I am of the
opinion that this is a case where Mies van der Rohe's dictum is less than adequate
and I'd be more inclined to agree with F.L. Wright who said, "Less is more only
if more is no good" and the Cambell's Soup kids who said, "Mmm mmm, good"! The
esteemed Hanson Brothers use of three consecutive "M"s in the title of their
seminal recording, "MMMBop," only serves to reinforce what I already know to
be correct.
Bob
USA - Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 19:18:47 (GMT)
I
HATE STUPID PEOPLE!!!!
keri
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 19:18:33 (GMT)
keri,
wow, a ketchup archivist! Aren't you a commie relics archivist? That sounds
better to me than sugary tomato sauce even if Prez. Reagan considered it a vegtable.
susan <really back to the paper
now>
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 19:17:43 (GMT)
bob,
I did not find your post at 14:29:09 offensive. Quite a good point about who
gets *found* guilty and who does not. Mr. Running back could afford hotshot
lawyers. Mr(s). Radical journalist (Jamal) and Native-American rights activist
(Peltier) could not. They "couldn't turn tricks in the courthouse. It's a justice
whorehouse" (Franti, 1994, Crime to be broke in America)
Susan <and
now back to my miserable study on interfaces>
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 19:12:54 (GMT)
Hey
Dickie, I liked your post ag 15:18:54. Too true. Racism, homophobia, anti-semitism
have been used by ruling class to keep working class at each other's throats.
"In the period before the (US) Civil war, one of the standard arguments made
for racial slavery was that it made possible a practically air-tight system
of social control."-- Theodore William Allen "Class struggle and the origin
of racial slavery: The invention of the white race"
Susan <avoiding another paper>
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 19:06:40 (GMT)
my
point is if guinness has an archiving dept. then surely heniz does do... i want
to be a ketchup archivist, but i don't want to move to pittsburgh.
keri
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 19:01:15 (GMT)
Bragg
Officer - Well I merely meant 'gestalt' in the sense of 'more than the sum of
its parts' - otherwise BB and Wilco are just two separate contributors to an
album of Woody Guthrie songs.
Boguespierre <Can we call
you 'B.O.' for short?>
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 18:52:56 (GMT)
Hmmm.
I've been psychoanalysed.
Bragg Office <Discuss.>
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 18:52:45 (GMT)
Gestalt
Psychology - a desparate attempt to raise the tone of the search engine logs
by posting $20 words and phrases on the guestbook!)
Arnold Phoney
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 18:49:50 (GMT)
And
as for New Year's Eve, I shall be in the loving arms of my family. Fighting.
Bragg Office
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 18:44:10 (GMT)
Does
anyone know where I can find the guitar tablature to "Bad Penny"? Thanks.
Jack Mc
USA - Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 18:39:22 (GMT)
Derik:
I like to say Dubya Dubya Dubya. But seriously, isn't that all the internet
is good for - the Willy Wagg, er, I mean Billy Bragg guestbook and the sex sites?
Toby: Call this place quiet again and I'll swim over there and kick your limey
ass!
Bob
USA - Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 18:37:25 (GMT)
Sitting
by the post box all day. I'll be sitting til the evening's gone...
derik
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 18:34:48 (GMT)
ok,
i am a fighter when it comes to certain co-workers.
keri
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 18:34:15 (GMT)
so
toby what are you doing for new years eve?
keri
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 18:32:27 (GMT)
i'm
a lover not a fighter just sitting by the post box waiting for my magnet
keri
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 18:31:26 (GMT)
Funny
how it all goes quiet here when people aren't at each other's throats.
Bragg Office
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 18:30:18 (GMT)
Is
that some kind of internet metaphor, Bob, with all those www's.
derik
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 18:30:16 (GMT)
Gestalt
psychology - revolt from the atomistic outlook of the orthodox school, starts
with the organised whole as something more than the sum of the parts into which
it can be logically analysed.
Bragg Office <Bit like me, really>
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 18:21:33 (GMT)
Jeez,
hasn't the Bragg Office got a dictionary? [Way less than $50, I'd imagine...
;-)]. Anyway, there's no mention of BB on that page you gave the URL for, so
I guess he's not featured on the song in any way.
Boguespierre
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 18:16:44 (GMT)
And
I refuse to rise to wee willy gags.
Bragg Office
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 18:14:23 (GMT)
that
was good bob...
keri
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 18:13:47 (GMT)
Is
a gestalt entity something from Poltergeist IV?
Bragg Office
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 18:13:09 (GMT)
come
on everyone else has an opinion! let's talk about something good. heinz products.
keri <daydreaming of ketchup>
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 18:12:17 (GMT)
OK,
Toby, let's try a hypothetical. If a musician you really admire, we'll call
him "Willy Wagg," were to play on New Year's eve, but the price were the equivalent
of approximately £35.2841 (at today's exchange rates) would you go to the show
or spend the £35+ on alternate entertainment, e.g., an attractive and presumably
disease-free sex worker (who, I'll have you know, is still a member of the working
class and might very well do a very good number on your working class member)?
So what'll it be, Toby (or not Toby), Wee Willy Wagg or your wee willy wagged?
Bob
USA - Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 18:12:07 (GMT)
The
answer is at http://www.billybragg.co.uk/merII6.html
Bragg Office
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 18:10:56 (GMT)
'Secret
of the Sea' is a fine track, but does Bill actually feature on it at all? This
is purely out of interest - I don't want to get into one of those quasi-religious
'Is "Yesterday" really a Beatles song?' debates. I think 'Billy Bragg and Wilco'
as appears on the albums is a legitimate (and talented) gestalt entity, but
certainly different from BB alone.
Boguespierre
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 18:05:01 (GMT)
Toby
probably doesn't get that much in the Bragg Sweatshop to afford $50 shows.
derik
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 18:00:19 (GMT)
Nice
try, Keri :-)
Bragg Office
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 17:56:30 (GMT)
TOBY-
what do you make of the latest arguement? to spend 50 bucks or not to spend
50 bucks...
keri
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 17:44:06 (GMT)
Christ
you know it ain't easy, you know how hard it can be, the way things are going
they're gonna crucify me.
Carsten
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 17:40:32 (GMT)
It
was the last time I looked.
Bragg Office
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 17:36:17 (GMT)
toby,
is that you?
keri
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 17:26:23 (GMT)
If
you've got RealPlayer you can play a bit of Secret of the Sea on this very site.
Just go to http://www.billybragg.co.uk/merII6.html But of course you all knew
that.
Bragg Office
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 17:23:05 (GMT)
Bogues:
It's OK, sex workers are still considered working class. If they're stiff. If
not, I guess they're unemployed. Or they have to rely on their stiff little
fingers. OK, that was officially tasteless, I'm off now. No, I really didn't
mean it that way. Really,
Bob
USA - Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 17:03:33 (GMT)
Oh
dear, just re-read that. Definitely NO pun intended!
Boguespierre
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 16:51:59 (GMT)
Why
a vasectomy? Because I'm a working class stiff who already has three kids.
Bogues
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 16:31:22 (GMT)
hey
i'm a part of the working class too... horrah! hey brogues, why the vasectomy?
keri
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 16:06:55 (GMT)
Just
heard "Secrets Of The Sea" on Mark and Lard. They were very positive, talked
about the Guthrie archive, the MA project, BB's tour, and said that the single
was released on 11th Dec. Not bad publicity really.
Dyl
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 16:02:56 (GMT)
Secret
of the Sea out as a single? Great news and great track!! I saw the Who last
night. I think I have seen the future of rock and roll!!
steve schwartz
london, - Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 15:59:28 (GMT)
Well
according to that I'm still working class! I had rather resigned myself to the
fact that I had drifted into the middle classes, but I guess the fact that,
having sod all savings, I would lose everything if my job disappeared means
I'm still, fundamentally, one of the workers. Makes me feel a little better
(in this environment at least....).
Boguespierre
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 15:59:22 (GMT)
The
working class: What is it? Who is part of it? http://www.tigerden.com/~berios/wcdef.txt
Luther Gaylord
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 15:53:45 (GMT)
Luther:
Please define "working class."
Bob
USA - Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 15:45:40 (GMT)
Sure,
Rob, you live there. But you're not working class now, are you?
Luther Gaylord
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 15:35:57 (GMT)
Carol,
I know very little about the Peltier case. If that was a bad example to use
in my illustration, then OK. My point still stands, a jury's *finding* of guilt
or innocence has no bearing on *actual* guilt or innocence. They are two entirely
separate issues. Just because I may have 'reasonable doubt' that you exist,
doesn't mean that you don't exist.
Bob
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 15:22:46 (GMT)
Briefly:
We live in a racist, sexist, hompphobic society. The prevailing ideas in that
society are the ideas of the ruling class. It is in the interest of the ruling
class to keep the working class divided along these lines. The only time the
working class challanges those prevailing ideas is when it comes into conflict
with the state. eg Monkey noises shouted at black police officers were not uncommon
at the start of the miners strike and the "Get your tits out for the lads" chant
was infamous. By the end of the strike neither occurred. A small but significant
number of those miners will still hold no truck with the prevailing ideas. The
survey does not surprise me. They only way such backward beliefs will be extinguished
permanently is by extinguishing the capitalist system we survive in. How we
do that is more difficult to answer.
Dickie <waitingforthegre@tleapforward>
(Not) Billericay, UK - Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 15:18:54 (GMT)
Luther.
I bow to your superior knowledge of teh English working class on the south coast
of England. I mean, I only live on the south coast; whereas you have read a
book about their lives a 100 years ago.
Barmy Rob
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 15:16:05 (GMT)
Bob,
the request for clemency for Leonard Peltier has nothing to do with his guilt
or innocence. You are not making any valid points by dumping his case with OJ
Simpson's case. Actually, it is totally illogocial. I hope all of you will contact
President Clinton and tell him that you support Peltier's clemency request.
You can do the same, Bob, whether you believe him guilty or innocent.
Carol
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 15:10:45 (GMT)
good
morning luther...
keri
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 15:08:35 (GMT)
It
appears that Rob Lang and I disagree. Imagine that.
Luther Gaylord
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 15:07:48 (GMT)
If
you want to know what the English working class thought of themselves 100 years
ago read THE RAGGED TROUSERED PHILANTHROPISTS. If you'd like to know what they
think today read the The British social attitudes survey. Whilst I think TRTP
is a wonderful book, many of the attitudes expressed and the lives lived are
very different today - it is the principles that rae timeless...
Barmy Rob
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 15:02:22 (GMT)
Luther:
There was no disrespect intended towards Mumia Abu-Jamal or Leonard Peltier.
In my preceding post I had mistakenly implied that they were found guilty of
the murders that OJ Simpson was acquitted of. Now, anyone who doesn't live on
the moon would know that that wasn't the case, but the awkwardness of my sentence
did seem to indicate that that is what I thought happened. And the last part
was poking fun at OJ's "search" for the "real killer." I am sure his shortlist
includes everyone but himself. He's searched all of the world's golf courses
but as of yet has no firm suspects. If you have any more OJ-related questions,
I'll be hosting a web chat where you can ask me questions for $9.95 each.
Bob
USA - Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 14:59:13 (GMT)
Your
post at 14:32:25 was tasteless, Bob.
Luther Gaylord
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 14:49:49 (GMT)
Please
point out the tastelessness of my recent posts, Luther.
Bob Lucier, Jr.
US - Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 14:40:27 (GMT)
Things
haven't changed much at all since Tressell wrote THE RAGGED TROUSERED PHILANTHROPISTS,
Pete. Read it and you'll see how the attitudes and worldviews of working class
people have remained fairly constant.
Luther Gaylord
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 14:38:26 (GMT)
And
so we see Bob Lucier Jr. (who has actually been rather witty of late) slip back
into his trademark tastelessness.
Luther Gaylord
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 14:36:20 (GMT)
Luther,
I think things might have changed in the 100 years since Tressel wrote that
book....:)
pete w <hardcoretim@yahoo.com>
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 14:35:40 (GMT)
I
did not mean to imply that Mumia and Leonard were found guilty of killing Nicole
Simpson and Ron Goldman. As far as I know, they were never tried for that crime,
but I hear they were on OJ's shortlist of the "real killers."
Bob
USA - Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 14:32:25 (GMT)
Rob:
OJ may have been **FOUND** **NOT** guilty of killing his wife and her waiter
friend, but Mumia Abu-Jamal and Leonard Peltier were found **GUILTY**, so I
am not sure you actually believe in the infallibility of the US jury system.
AND, OJ is an undisputed wife beater EVEN IF HE WAS (wrongly) *FOUND* not guilty
of murders.
Bob
USA - Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 14:29:09 (GMT)
Pete
and Geoff's show starts at 9pm, btw. And Billy will be one of several artists
recording versions of Christmas carols/songs at John Peel's place for John Peel's
Festive 50, which is due to transmit on Radio 1 on 19 December.
Bragg Office
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 14:17:03 (GMT)
Forget
the Guardian article. If you want to know what the English working class think
of themselves and others, read THE RAGGED TROUSERED PHILANTHROPISTS.
Luther Gaylord
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 14:14:40 (GMT)
Secret
of the Sea is on the playlists at BBC Radio 2 and BBC London Live, as well as
single of the week with Mark and Lard on Radio 1. Don't have any information
about a release date yet. Sorry. But you might like to know Billy will be a
guest on Pete and Geoff's show on Virgin Radio, Sunday 3 December. An interview
and a couple of acoustic tracks are promised.
Bragg Office
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 14:08:04 (GMT)
Billy
and Wilco are Mark & Lard's single of the week at the moment (Radio 1 - UK.)
The track is Secret of the Sea and apparently it's out on the 11th December
- if I heard correctly yesterday, someone was talking at me. I'll get the whole
studio to shut up today and see if they give anymore information. Toby, can
you enlight
Sue <Stuck@work&bored>
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 13:55:09 (GMT)
Barmy:
My initial response (not having had achance to read the article thoroughly)
is this: why hasn't focussed on racism amongst the middle classes. Having grown
up in white working class environment sadly, I can't say it suprises me. I suspect
that racism is as rife accross other sectors of society but that working class
people are simply less embarrassed about admitting it. My overall feeling, though,
is that racism is unnacceptable wherever it rears its ugly head. I'm off to
work so can't participate further today but it'd be interesting to see what
the rest of you have to say.
Tettland
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 13:40:00 (GMT)
"Six
in ten (60%) working-class people think homosexuality is "wrong", compared with
37% of the middle class. They also tend to be more out of sympathy with the
government's policies on race - 39% think attempts to give equal opportunities
to black people and Asians have gone too far, compared with 30% of the middle
class." "Three quarters (75%) of the working class favour keeping the pound
as Britain's only currency, compared with 43% of the middle class." Discuss.
Barmy Rob
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 12:36:24 (GMT)
Want
to know what the English working class think of themselves and others - take
a look at http://www.guardianunlimited.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,403848,00.html...
a fascinating, and disturbing read..... more at http://www.scpr.ac.uk
Barmy Rob
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 12:23:04 (GMT)
Okay
I have a sticky zed key.... or is that a zee key :) Gazza....Gazza....Gazza....Gazza....Gazza....Gazza....Gazza....Gazza....Gazza....Gazza....Gazza....Gazza....
Barmy Rob
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 12:18:08 (GMT)
Any
World Party fans out there? Just picked up a remastered version of Bang....
"How did it come to this......"
Barmy Rob
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 11:59:22 (GMT)
Make
that Gaza..... Though I have plenty of thoughts on (the situation in) Gaza at
the moment as well :)
Barmy Rob
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 11:58:13 (GMT)
Bob.
If I suggested that I thought Pete thought Gazza a hero it was not intended.
I know Pete more than well enough, and vice versa; probably why Pete didn't
pull me up on it :) I was just throwing in a comment on Gaza. Glen "Disbled
people are reincarnations of evil people" Hoddle is curently the manager of
my club, Southampton (a deserved draw in the Stadium of Light Steve... James
Beattie is on fire at the moment).... Oh & Bob - OJ was found **NOT** guilty
:)
Barmy Rob
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 11:56:32 (GMT)
Hullo
again Steve. It's still a bit like being in the trenches here, with concentrated
fire and shrapnel all around. Occasionally one of us peaceniks stick their head
above the ramparts to get the forum back on-message (i.e. football, wanking,
my vasectomy, Billy Bragg, etc), but much of the content is the traditional
huffing and puffing between fragile egos. Ho hum, it's only a bulletin board...
Boguespierre <I guess you're
not staying?>
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 11:56:26 (GMT)
Steve
Good to hear from you. Could you email the college your email address? I lost
it after kiddies played some cybergames.
chris
bne/nth tamb, - Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 11:28:45 (GMT)
Well,
Steve, no doubt my trip to the North will cost more than 50 bucks. But my flightās
free with Airmiles, Iām generally slumminā it accommodation-wise and doing that
as cheaply as possible, I get to visit two cities Iāve always wanted to see
but never have, get to meet a new bunch of Billy Bragg fans, and get to see
two Billy Bragg gigs. Just handing over 50 bucks for a ticket aināt quite the
same. Cāmon, youāre just sore Īcause Spurs beat Sunderland·
Pete Crook <petecrook@bigfoot.com>
London, England - Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 10:45:54 (GMT)
Bob,
great to see you dont let the bastards grind you down
steve
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 09:46:10 (GMT)
I
don't read the DBL standards on here anymore, however, I got an e-mail from
someone telling me Pam had posted asking why I left the guestbook...Easy Pam.
Carol and Carsten invented a fantasy that I was lobbying against Carols trip
to England, the resulting insulting e-mails from Carol confirnmed this and Carstens
silence since, confirms the 'rubbish that was spoken'...worst of all, Sonj refused
to accept I wasnt doing this after I repeatedly tried to explain to her all
I did was object to an e-mail being circulated showing peoples names in red
who hadnt paid $50 or 20 pounds...but the truth would have upset their little
world,I did expect an apology but now realise the shallowness and vacuous nature
of these people means they dont know the first thing about empathy and compassion,
dont bother replying to me, the very thought of what you are makes me billious...Hiya
PeteW,..Kid A is awesome..and $50 to see a band is ok with me, Ive paid that
in train/fuel/air fares to see a band whats the big deal..Pete your travel to
derry must cost you more than that??......so you can all just fuck off, I dont
mix with hypocrites.. Im going back to my aspidistra..geddit...
Steve <wasting my time>
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 09:43:39 (GMT)
I
would love to enter the debate on Spurs heroes - Glenn Hoddle was mine, but
this is not about that. (Phew sigh the masses.) I've just heard the Jorg Haider
is releasing a "folk" record. Surely some mistake!! It's in the Guardian apparently
but my local newsagent has sold out. (He only ever has two copies.) This isn't
really true is it?
Dickie <anlpicket@cambridgefolkfestival>
(Not) Billericay, UK - Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 09:28:25 (GMT)
I'm
not. But I won't be there.
Luther Gaylord
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 06:46:48 (GMT)
Warming
to my own theme, it occurs to me that I've managed to get tickets for all five
(yes, sad I know) gigs I'm going to on the tour without using a ticket agency
once. Is this the same for all the gigs ? After the negative feelings generated
by the NYC prices, has Bill done the decent thing and cut out the middleman
here ? Or am I just being a liberal wuss again ? (Puts head on block). ...and
Alice, if you fancy meeting some of us for a pizza before the gig on Saturday,
the details are down the page - search for "Cowcross". And we're a nice bunch
really, despite how it sometimes looks here...
Pete Crook <petecrook@bigfoot.com>
London, England - Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 06:38:43 (GMT)
k.d.
lang's concerts are consistently at around $50. This is only one of the reasons
I haven't bothered to see her. (though she is dead sexy) I don't know how an
economically depressed fan base (dykes) manages it. Perhaps because that's the
only event they get out of the house for they are able to save up for it...
Susan <sassy bisexual
commentary--on topic!>
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 05:59:07 (GMT)
keri,
I'm at San Jose State. Actually, that topic is one of the few I've found interesting
(chose it myself, if you must know). Sure beats the ones on relevance and aspects
of a good interface I had/have to do for my info. retrieval systems class! Next
semester I plan to balance my Management class with a class on "The global internet"--promises
to be qutie political. Hooray!
Susan <and
those references are sure to bring us more befuddled visitors from cyberspace!>
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 05:55:32 (GMT)
on
ticket prices - with exchange rates as they are at the moment, $US50 equates
to nearly $AU100, which is too much for any performer, even Billy Bragg. I will
confess to having seen Kiss in concert twice. Once in 1980, and again in 1997
when they dusted off the greasepaint pots and went out with the original lineup,
makeup and stage show. Nostalgia is the opiate of the masses. Baaa.
geoff
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 00:04:27 (GMT)
Luther
- I thought as much. I'm disappointed you would rather badger Mike for not answering
the question you posed to him, rather than respond to the one I asked of you.
Another chance to educate the sheep gone begging.
geoff
- Tuesday, November 28, 2000 at 00:00:49 (GMT)
first
time reader/contributor...really looking forward to the gig on sat. listened
to 'great leap forward' for first time in ages recently and it reminded me of
being young, enthused, uncynical. hope gig will strengthen these feelings. enjoy
it if your going!!!
alice
brighton, uk - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 23:39:24 (GMT)
Thanks
for that, Bob. Funny old place , this, eh ? (memo to self: cut down on the trivial
remarks - they may take you to somewhere where you don't expect to be). And
I'm sorry to see Robin checking out so soon after she'd checked in again.
Pete Crook <petecrook@bigfoot.com>
London, England - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 23:04:43 (GMT)
Do
heroes not exist as a matter of fact irrespective of the basis for their idolation?
I am sure both Gazza and Hitler were heroes to many (with possibly a current
degree of overlap in the realms of the fascist boot boys). Is this group not
partially defined by it's appreciation/respect for/worship of a songwriter?
I suppose what I am driving at is that some in this group will see Billy as
a hero. He would presumably eschew the title but I am sure for some the relationship
goes beyond that of simple fan and celebrity.
pierce
- Monday, November 27, 2000 at 22:47:06 (GMT)
Peeked
in to see how everyone was doing. I can see. Same old sh*t, different day. I'm
going back to real life again.
Red Robin
- Monday, November 27, 2000 at 22:35:20 (GMT)
oops--that
is supposed to be significance
ct
- Monday, November 27, 2000 at 22:29:38 (GMT)
I
am listening to the BBC World news at this moment. A program about global warming
and the collapse of the Hague conference and the importance of the Kyoto accords.
The scientist being interviewed says that world leaders now agree on the signifigance
of this environmental crisis, with the exception of some remarks made by faux
President-Elect Bush.
Carol <gladyourdoingyourpartbogues@toresolvetheglobalwarmingcrisis>
- Monday, November 27, 2000 at 22:27:51 (GMT)
And
Pete never used the word "hero" in his post - "Two of the greatest players .
. ." Not "greatest human beings" or "greatest husbands." I'm not sure why the
moral police came out of the woodwork. OJ Simpson was one of the greatest running
backs to play the game of American football . . .
Bob
USA - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 22:07:42 (GMT)
Coo...
Tottenham to Hitler. In one post. That's neat, Carsten, especially given Tottenham's
Jewish fanbase. But anyway, the main point I was trying to make (and yes, I
dressed it up in football trivia and mentioned my kids again, and so it got
lost - more fool me) was that I was dead chuffed to get my ticket for the Derry
gig at cost, for which I only sent off last Thursday, from a record shop in
that city, rather than have to go through rip-off ticket agencies.
Pete Crook <petecrook@bigfoot.com>
London, England - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 21:53:04 (GMT)
Carol
- Thanks for the reminder! Having just passed the 6 week mark I'm due to take
an icky jar down to the hospital lab for the test. Otherwise, firing on all
cylinders, thank you, though there were definite issues even up until a couple
of weeks ago. Looking forward to my 'IOFB' logo necktie.
Boguespierre <As in "I Only
Fire Blanks"....>
- Monday, November 27, 2000 at 21:49:28 (GMT)
One
of Gascoigne's heroisms can be found here: http://news6.thdo.bbc.co.uk/low/english/sport/newsid_44000/44813.stm
- Judge for yourself.
Carsten
- Monday, November 27, 2000 at 21:44:18 (GMT)
good
grief susan... that doesn't sound exciting. what mls program are you in?
keri
- Monday, November 27, 2000 at 21:38:35 (GMT)
True,
Pierce - but so was Hitler... --- UN Human Rights Commissioner Mary Robinson
has come out criticising Israel for the use of "excessive force", I wonder will
she be listened to this time? http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_1043000/1043537.stm
Carsten
- Monday, November 27, 2000 at 21:29:00 (GMT)
keri,
"Does Globalization equal Americanization ?--Is the Web a truly worldwide environment?"
Right now I'm looking a lot at how privatization has affected the flow of information.
(Too many "tions") Any ideas or articles to suggest? As you can see, I'm having
a little break. guess it's not really a break as I've not really started...
(writing, that is...)
Susan
- Monday, November 27, 2000 at 21:24:38 (GMT)
Bogues:
How's your global warming down under? This is my gratuitous personal and unimportant
message for the day. I get to talk about Bogue's appliances and minor surgery
while addressing the environment.
Carol
- Monday, November 27, 2000 at 21:22:45 (GMT)
Didn't
we all...?
Bogues
- Monday, November 27, 2000 at 21:15:33 (GMT)
but
didn't gazza screw everything up by drinking too much?
keri
- Monday, November 27, 2000 at 21:08:10 (GMT)
It's
actually diamond lights. Our heroes are not always all they first appear but
Gazza had an exceptional talent that shone very brightly and was certainly viewed
by many as a hero at that time.
pierce
belfast, - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 20:57:19 (GMT)
Rob,
yes they still wear all that make up. And so do a lot of their fans. A few years
ago I was on my way home from work and the subway and the train station, which
is also the lobby of the local sports / concert arena, were full of grown "men"
in full KISS regalia.
Bob
USA - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 20:57:06 (GMT)
And
David Ginola does L'oreal ads..... That's Spurs players for you - Diamond Eyes
anyone :) Ajaxx - you'd have to pay me (at least) $50 before I'd even consider
going to a Kiss gig :) Do they still wear all the make-up? Guess it was a crazy
crazy night...
Barmy Rob
- Monday, November 27, 2000 at 20:50:40 (GMT)
isn't
he a drunk too....
keri
- Monday, November 27, 2000 at 20:50:18 (GMT)
Pete.
Though he may have been a talented footballer (and I emphasise the *MAY*) Paul
Gascoigne is also a wife-beater. He is certainly NOT a hero....
Barmy Rob
- Monday, November 27, 2000 at 20:46:12 (GMT)
thanks
susan... everyone here in the office loved it. what's this paper on?
keri
- Monday, November 27, 2000 at 20:08:12 (GMT)
keri,
sorry there was no reference on the Zimbabwe politician's commentary on U.S.
election. Was an e-mail that was forwarded to me. I'd try and track it down,
but as usual have a paper to be working on (so why the f*&$ am I here?) Carol,
the White house line was busy when I tried it. Hope that is a good sign. I'll
try again later. Thanks for the heads up. Definitely something i'd like my opinion
heard on (or at least tallied!)
Susan
- Monday, November 27, 2000 at 20:01:09 (GMT)
Combining
trivia and things that are important: I just got in from work (in the pissing
London rain) to discover that my two Tottenham-mad sons had been watching both
David Ginola and Paul Gasgoigne on TV. Two of the greatest players ever to wear
a Tottenham shirt, fwiw. Though sadly neither of them does now. But anyway:
the best thing was finding in the post my ticket for Bill's gig in Derry, Ireland,
on 8 December. A big and public thank you to the people at Cool Records in Derry,
who are handling tickets for this gig. That's the way we should do it, without
using Ticketbastard and their ilk.
Pete Crook <petecrook@bigfoot.com>
London, England - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 19:50:10 (GMT)
Michael,
I really don't want to go into the Gore/Nader argument, as we've spent plenty
of time discussing in on the e-groups billybragg mailing list. I happen to believe
that there are serious differences between Bush and Gore, and I voted accordingly.
As for Luther, thanks, mate for acknowledging your blunder and going right back
to the bitter "I'm more committed than you!" conversation. Whatever you do to
help people, I think that's great. Keep it up.
Mike <feelingthelove@mmmm.com>
- Monday, November 27, 2000 at 19:43:45 (GMT)
Gouldy,
Ta. I'll have it in a sort of a pastel aqua and pink. Think Crockett and Tubbs'
out of Miami Vice's lovely jackets.
Aidan
Sheffield, UK - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 19:15:47 (GMT)
I'm
just glad that I don't look like Barbra!
Jimmy Brolin <callmejames@aamco.com>
Malibu, CA - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 18:54:40 (GMT)
Valerie,
have you and Eddie Van Halen moved to Phoenix?
Billy Bob <onedayatatime@5150.com>
Hot Springs, USA - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 18:49:20 (GMT)
actually,
i got that nickname because my boyfriend and i do look oddly familial...
sissymae
- Monday, November 27, 2000 at 18:34:08 (GMT)
...left
'em speechless...
sissymae
phoenix, - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 18:05:36 (GMT)
I
have to laugh. Carol Tarlen has, more than any other single person, polluted
this guestbook with trivial, meaningless blather about her blood sugar levels,
her broken appliances, the television shows she watches, etc. Yet when she makes
a single (anomolous) post about a substantive issue (Leonard Peltier) and we
don't immediately snap to attention and shift into "serious discussion" mode,
she gets semi-indignant. Meanwhile, we're having a discussion about outrageously
priced Billy Bragg gigs, which is directly on point but not too terribly important
in the grand scheme of things, and we get slagged off by the likes of "Duckyfuzz".
The irony is just too rich.
Luther Gaylord
- Monday, November 27, 2000 at 17:17:38 (GMT)
Perhaps
Pete and Luther should set up a single-issue forum elsewhere where they can
continue masturbating. Thanks for that information Carol.
chris <duckyfuzz@hotmail>
London, England - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 17:04:29 (GMT)
A
few days ago I posted information about the request for clemency for Native
American prisoner Leonard Peltier. The request is sitting on Clinton's desk.
No one on the forum responded to this information. Phone calls and faxes can
still be sent. For more information on Leonard, here is the web page address:
http://www.freepeltier.org. International appeals for justice are as important
as US ones.
Carol
San Francisco, - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 16:36:23 (GMT)
That's
the best post I've seen on here in weeks, Ajaxx. I'll be chuckling to myself
all day. Cheers for that.
Luther Gaylord
- Monday, November 27, 2000 at 16:33:05 (GMT)
The
mind boggles at the prospect...
Pete Crook
London, England - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 16:17:36 (GMT)
$50
is too much to see Billy. I paid that to see KISS . Does Billy breath fire ?,
spew blood ?, does he play so fast his guitar catches fire and shoot rockets
then flies across the stage ?, does his drummer rise 50 feet above the stage
?, and does he fire tons and tons of confetti into the audience at the end of
the show ? Come on Billy , entertain us .
Ajaxx
London, - Monday, November 27, 2000 at 16:08:35 (GMT)
susan...
do you have a reference for the zimbabwe politician?
keri
- Monday, November 27, 2000 at 15:54:00 (GMT)
I'm
not paying $50 to see Billy. I wouldn
