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Smoke whatever you can find. I, for one wouldn't mind. If
in the end, it killed us all. Left us soffocating in these hallowed halls.
I'll smoke the tar, the nicotene. I'll even smoke the shit thats green. I'm
not to worried about lung cancer. Or getting so high that I become a dancer.
Just let me smoke it legal or not. Tobbacco, qat, crack, or pot. I urge you
all to smoke it too. I think you all should smoke- I do. Join me in my happy
high. So that when we finally say goodbye. We look back on this time of ours.
And know that we did spend many good hours. Smoking all the days away. And
one last time i now shall say. Smoke it up and smoke it well. Smoke it Smoke
it Smoke it Well.
POIT <
DarkLightX@email.com>
Las Vegas, USA - Monday, June 25, 2001 at 15:06:45 (EDT)
If you are not accepted after 20 years perhaps it's cos
you are a twat! Get off BB's back and if you want to know what he's about
read his biography "Still Suitable for Miners".
Phil
- Tuesday, June 19, 2001 at 12:22:43 (EDT)
Hi Billy, as someone who had to ask who you were, you may
think I'm pretty old; but unfortunatly for you I'm only a year older. I migrated
into Dorset from Cumbria back in 1984, and I came of my own free will, just
as you did when you bought a property here. Now as much as you tell everyone
in the Daily Express that you never knew the political leanings of the local
M.P. Surely you must have known that someboby would have made an artical
out of it; (free publicity eh! Bill) you can't keep a good socialite down
can you. Why can't you accept that you've made you're money to live in Burton
Bradstock on the backs of people who go out and work 14 hours a day. They
do it to live, not to wonder which political party should be running the
country; your option is a whole lot better, because they pay for you to live.
People like you will always be around, which is; to a certain extent a good
thing. Then at least the rest of us will have someone to complain about.
Simple solution, Bill I expect Peter Mandelson will accept you in Hartlepool
any time you want to move there. Plus you'll make a tidy profit on the property,
same as your good friend Arthur made on his. I wish you the all the best
Billy; but a word of advise. I've been around here for close on 20 years
and with some people still can't get accepted. Opening a fete won't open
their hearts; beware mate.
Ted Stordy <
t.stordy@btinternet.com>
BRIDPORT, England - Friday, June 15, 2001 at 20:14:48 (EDT)
I hear news that you might be considering a show in Maidstone,
now this would be nice, but could you fill in the blanks about if this is
true or not? Please.
Charlie <
Bobs.taylor@btinternet.com>
Maidstone, England - Sunday, June 03, 2001 at 15:03:17 (EDT)
:-( i'm lonesome
:-(
- Thursday, May 31, 2001 at 08:13:40 (EDT)
All these 'ooks and nuffink to 'ang on 'em !
Cockney Sparrer
- Friday, February 09, 2001 at 05:36:50 (EST)
would that be Captain Hook or Pete Crook?
;-)
- Thursday, February 08, 2001 at 23:14:23 (EST)
By hook or by crook I'll be last in your book...
Don't Get Out Much
- Thursday, February 08, 2001 at 20:50:18 (EST)
"Stalin, Lennin and Marx are the same per" ? Were you going
to continue with "-son as Trotsky", but your teacher got to you with an Ice-Pick
before you could finish ? BTW, Don't kill the site off until Normski apologises
and then agrees that I make exceedingly good cakes !
Mr Kipling
- Wednesday, February 07, 2001 at 09:22:58 (EST)
Help!!!! I'm a teaching assistant trapped in high school
where young teachers tell students that socialism and communism are the same
things!!!! does that mean that Stalin, Lennin and Marx are the same per
Yvonne Boness <
hippychick89@hotmail.com>
Boston, MA, USA - Tuesday, February 06, 2001 at 08:49:07 (EST)
If it is, we'll kill it off completely.
Bragg Office <
office@billybragg.co.uk>
London, UK - Tuesday, February 06, 2001 at 07:39:03 (EST)
Looks like this page is redundant then.
Dickie
- Monday, February 05, 2001 at 05:26:44 (EST)
Normski, those cakes weren't 'awful' ! Infact, they were
exceedingly good !
B. Akewell-Tart
Bakewell, Derbyshire Peak District., - Thursday, February 01, 2001 at 10:07:41
(EST)
No! He was the geezer who made them bloody awful cakes.He
certainly wasn't a Socialist either way.
Normski
- Thursday, February 01, 2001 at 03:26:15 (EST)
Thanks Sian and Luther. Good ol' Kipling,
huh? Wasn't he the one who said 'The female of the species is more deadlier
than the male.' This is a propos nothing at all....I just remembered it.
Dor
- Wednesday, January 31, 2001 at 23:43:03 (EST)
The
actual Kipling line is "...what should they know of England who only England
know?"
Sian
- Wednesday, January 31, 2001 at 12:31:01 (EST)
Yes,
Dor. You are correct. "What do they know of England, who only England know?"
is a Rudyard Kipling quote.
Luther Gaylord
- Tuesday, January 30, 2001 at 10:57:03 (EST)
Cheers
Steve,aye,ahm not a bad teacher cos at least I care about the kids I teach,and
I do my best.The school system in the UK is pure shite!!!!Its all about teaching
kids to pass exams,not educating them.League tables,paperwork,all crap,and New
Labour are equally shite for not trying to change it.Cretins.
norman strike
- Tuesday, January 30, 2001 at 08:15:38 (EST)
A
question..in The Few, the line 'What do they know of England, who only England
know', sounds like a quote - I mean apart from a quote from Billy B. Is it original
to him, or did somebody else say it first. Ta, Dor
Dor
- Monday, January 29, 2001 at 23:58:17 (EST)
having
read rachel's entry, i'd just like to say that i am 15. i found a b.b. cd in
my favourite second hand record shop and things just went on from there!
kat <kat791@hotmail.com>
uk - Monday, January 29, 2001 at 15:13:27 (EST)
billy
bragg is wicked! i'd just like to know if there's going to be another tour in
the near future because if i coudl see him live it would rock! xxx kat
kat <kat791@hotmail.com>
uk - Monday, January 29, 2001 at 15:11:50 (EST)
Steve,
at last a man who makes sense!! Your comments about abortion could not be more
correct
shona <shmasf@hotmail.com>
brisbane, australia - Monday, January 29, 2001 at 06:57:53 (EST)
As
I often see coments on English Premier League Football I thought I would take
this opportunity to state that the New York Football GIANTS will beat the Ravens/Browns
from Baltimore/Cleveland in the Super Bowl, 24-10. GO BIG BLUE.
Jim Sweeney <MassPeacocks@aol.com>
Boston, USA - Sunday, January 28, 2001 at 04:05:50 (EST)
Richard
Saunders,good on you for sticking to 'New England'as your favourite BB track,it
totally rocks and is unpretenous.This questbook is weird hardly anyone talks
about Billy. People seem to be more into cooking than Billy ,Jamie Oliver would
probably be a better site to go to.Only a suggestion(To the people who discuss
food).I really am 16,aren't i?.
Rachel Hannan <yeeha@esc.co.nz>
Dunedin, New Zealand - Sunday, January 28, 2001 at 03:50:54 (EST)
Richard
Saunders,good on you for sticking to 'New England'as your favourite BB track,it
totally rocks and is unpretenous.This questbook is weird hardly anyone talks
about Billy.
Rachel Hannan <yeeha@esc.co.nz>
Dunedin, New Zealand - Sunday, January 28, 2001 at 03:46:18 (EST)
I'm
only 16 but i understand Billy and all his music.I'm probably his youngest fan
and one of his biggest(no!not in physical sense). He is my idol and he is definately
a better influence than the consumer-driven clones in the teenyboper world,they
could only dream of getting the much deserved respect Billy gets.
Rachel Hannan <yeeha@esc.co.nz>
Dunedin, New Zealand - Sunday, January 28, 2001 at 03:22:29 (EST)
eh
sh
- Friday, January 26, 2001 at 06:45:21 (EST)
Ok,
so I asked next door and no one responded, but maybe you people are a bit more
up on current literature. Has anyone read Zinn's "Marx in Soho"?
Jessica Jolly
- Thursday, January 25, 2001 at 15:38:16 (EST)
Norman??...that
is a rareity, I bet you make a good one teacher also
steve
- Wednesday, January 24, 2001 at 19:10:41 (EST)
Rev,
if you have sold all your Billy Bragg records(I bet Bill was devastated, hahahaha)(not
at a profit I hope)then you surely don't want to be here do you, go back to
your hate e-mail arguments and creepy little digs and lies that you circulated
for months
steve
- Wednesday, January 24, 2001 at 19:09:30 (EST)
HAHAHAHAH...The
Rev Luther'vain attempt to privoke me is hilarious...."middle class"..HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH....FUCKING
HELL, REV KEEP THEM COMING YOU ARE SO FUNNY...shall I tell you what Ive achieved
this month you saddo creep, I got one employee's hourly rate doubled,. yes that
made a big difference to him...SORRY you said upper middle class..HAHAHAHAHAH...made
my day that has, you really are an elitist snob, the sad part is you have no
idea about human behaviour or how top influence people. You Martyr.
steve <uppermiddleclassnonlandnonpropertyowningwhiteatheistboy>
- Wednesday, January 24, 2001 at 19:06:39 (EST)
My
socialist credentials are better than your socialist credentials.
Jeff
Glasgow, - Wednesday, January 24, 2001 at 18:54:54 (EST)
The
United Nations Population Fund (UNFPA) works in 160 countries to ensure that
women have access to voluntary family planning, economic opportunities, and
education - all of which allows women to choose the size and spacing of their
families. Providing access to safe and affordable family planning services and
empowering women and girls helps to stabilize population growth, which protects
our environment for our families, for families throughout the world, and for
our common future. Anti-family planning radicals in Congress, led by Rep. Chris
Smith (R-NJ), claim that because he is anti-choice he has to defund family planning.
But UNFPA doesn't pay for abortions. Besides, it has been illegal to spend U.S.
dollars on abortion since 1973. Talk about behind the times! What is even worse
than Chris Smith's failure to keep up, is that his efforts to defund UNFPA lead
to more abortions because family planning prevents abortion. Last October, Chris
Smith and his small cohort of anti-family planning radicals eliminated all U.S.
funding to the UNFPA for 1999. This single action deprived 870,000 women from
access to contraceptives and reproductive health services and resulted in: 1,200
maternal and 22,500 infant deaths, 15,000 life-threatening illnesses and injuries
to mothers during pregnancy and childbirth, 500,000 unwanted pregnancies, 234,000
unwanted births, and 200,000 abortions. Chris Smith's attack on family planning
is an attack on the environment and women and children everywhere. Having recognized
it as such there has recently been a flurry of activity to restore funding.
http://www.sierraclub.org/population/UNFPA/
- Wednesday, January 24, 2001 at 15:57:00 (EST)
Robots
don't get offended Northern Teen, but I do, probably about every other day though.
BTW, Steve's message was posted "just to piss the PC'S off." Do you think, perhaps
just maybe, I doing the same thing? And much more effectively I might add.
Michael <warningwarning@willrobinson>
Pause, For Thought - Wednesday, January 24, 2001 at 10:32:32 (EST)
Michael
are you a robot? Do you ever get through a single day without being offended
by something someone says?
Northern Teen
- Wednesday, January 24, 2001 at 10:04:50 (EST)
How
about an ex-striking miner turned school teacher,also a Geordie?
norman strike <normanstrike@hotmail.com>
Harlow, UK - Wednesday, January 24, 2001 at 03:28:55 (EST)
Nothing
is worse than an intellectual socialist? Hmmm. What about a working-class Geordie
who sells out, becomes a manager (read: boss lackey) and lives an upper middle
class life while still holding himself out as a socialist?
Luther Gaylord
- Wednesday, January 24, 2001 at 01:20:59 (EST)
actually
I am delighted I have intellectual shortcomings, thank you.
steve
- Tuesday, January 23, 2001 at 23:36:58 (EST)
Michael
said "speak to your own intellectual shortcomings"...so you decide I have intellectual
shortcomings Michael, how elitist of you old boy , I tell you what, get that
degree that allows you to have intellectual advantages and shove it up your
intellectual arse because 1) you can't read, now go back and chect the posts
like a good boy....as I have never said once that I sang "big bob the jew boy"..what
I did say that 30.000 geordies were singing a term of endearment to a man they
dearly love, it was in a football stadium(Newcastele united which was bad enough
for me being a sunderland supporter) however, you in your short sighted, smart
arse, lets jump on the 'anybody who mentions jew/black/asian/ is a racist' politically
correct bandwagon , decided I was making a ethnic slur,which I honestly have
never intentionally done in my life. 2)my hatred of anything Politically Correct
is again your fantasy and not mine, what I object to is narrowminded intellectuals
who have this elitist attitude to people they assume are inferior to themselves,
grow up. Nothing is worse than an intellectual socialist, living a middle class
life...excuse me while I throw up
steve <20 years a labour
party member>
- Tuesday, January 23, 2001 at 23:31:18 (EST)
A
free portaloo with every copy of the new Manics single? Bargain.
Jeff
Glasgow, - Tuesday, January 23, 2001 at 18:05:18 (EST)
Steve
- Without the proper context, it's conceivable that the words you type here
can, in fact, offend. You may at some point realize that your personal insults
towards me are the mark of your character, not mine, and that your hatred towards
all things politically correct may very well speak to your own intellectual
shortcomings. Sincerely, Blinkered American Wanker
Michael
- Tuesday, January 23, 2001 at 17:46:32 (EST)
Michael
as you are counting the posts is there a limit
steve
- Tuesday, January 23, 2001 at 16:55:48 (EST)
Michael,
try getting out more, so 30.000 geordies singing bring on 'big bob the jew boy'
is an ethnic slur?...Bob walks on and waves with a smile to the geordie masses..and
you in your political correctness call it an 'ethnic slur'..a guy at work calls
me a 'gerodie bastard' everytime I walk in, I smile and wave..wake up, its how
it is said and the intention behind it..and believe me we all loved big bob
the jew boy that day....oh and another thing that geordie bastard Alan Hull
was supporting Bob that day which made it an even better gig
steve <johnquays@optusnet.com.au>
still has his rock against racism badge , which is not enough in days like these
- Tuesday, January 23, 2001 at 16:53:58 (EST)
The
new Manics single "So Why So Sad" is quite frankly orgasmic. Top tune. Not available
in the shops till March5th folks, but available on napster NOW!
Northern Teen
- Tuesday, January 23, 2001 at 16:51:30 (EST)
Laura:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00004U3VW/ref=ed_oe_vhs/026-8445188-4082861
Bob
USA - Tuesday, January 23, 2001 at 15:15:30 (EST)
Laura
- Here's some possibilities: http://www.unc.edu/~landon/threads.html http://www.ebay.com
http:www.stage2video.com http://www.videooyster.com http://www.reel.com
Michael
- Tuesday, January 23, 2001 at 15:03:30 (EST)
Does
anybody know where I can hold of a copy of a TV film called Threads? They were
talking about it on a documentary about 1981 the other night. It's a harrowing-looking
film about nuclear war. (I was only 7 in 1981 so consequently don't remember
it.)
Laura <laurajm@yahoo.com>
London, UK - Tuesday, January 23, 2001 at 12:40:13 (EST)
For
those who might be interested and missed it : GIG NEWS : Local Labour Party
fundraising night, on Friday 9th February, at The Chicken Shed Theatre in Southgate,
North London. Confirmed bookings for the Comedy/Cabaret evening include Tony
'cunning plan' Robinson , Simon Fanshaw and wait for it..wait for it.. BILLY
BRAGG! Tickets (not cheap) @ £25 each but inclusive of a 'Hot Buffet' meal with
Vegetarian option! Only 200 tickets are being sold, of which less than half
remain. The BOX OFFICE NUMBER IS 020 8292 9222. One thing to remember, this
is to support Stephen Twigg, who achieved THE result of the last election in
defeating Michael Portillo. Cheers,
Theo
London, - Tuesday, January 23, 2001 at 11:27:45 (EST)
Steve
- Considering you posted 6 consecutive messages next door, I'd say there's less
bull shit here - with the exception of your "endearing" ethnic slurs.
Michael
- Tuesday, January 23, 2001 at 10:51:04 (EST)
we
were away for the weekend celebrating alberr's birthdaty. I tried but failed
to tape the Kirsty Maccoll radio 2 tributr. I am sure there are some copies
out there on tape ???? I will see if i can get tickets for the Feb gig siobhan.
I have just purged myself of money on alberr's prezzies and a new dishwasher
for my new house. I'll try the plastic.
sonj <thats
all for today, am going off to get photos>
- Tuesday, January 23, 2001 at 10:18:24 (EST)
haven't
quite got the hang of the new guestbook yet. Do you have to scroll bottom to
top???
sonj
- Tuesday, January 23, 2001 at 10:13:10 (EST)
Have
you heard the new Ash song? It's called Shining Light and the intro and basic
chord sequence are nicked straight out of a billy bragg track... I'm sure it's
a Bragg track, but I can't remember which one - but you guys will know as soon
as you hear it. The Ash track is not released next week, but it's getting radio
play and was on CD:uk (in the UK) last Saturday. If anyone has (or does) hear
it, and recognises what the Billy track is, it would be great if you can e-mail
me at tim.vansomeren@granadamedia.com as it's driving me crazy!
tim
- Tuesday, January 23, 2001 at 08:11:29 (EST)
Barm,
I like it in here sitting looking out the window..(:) and there is more music
talk and less bull shit...(:)
steve <johnquays@optusnet.com.au>
- Tuesday, January 23, 2001 at 04:41:54 (EST)
Should
read "the post proclaiming ..."
Tettland
- Tuesday, January 23, 2001 at 01:48:51 (EST)
Just
for the record I'd like to point out that the proclaiming to be from me below
(bb interview) is actually someone else posting under my name. (For those of
you who haven't been next door!)
Tettland
- Tuesday, January 23, 2001 at 01:48:08 (EST)
Let's
all laugh at Leeds. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. Going down, going down, going down. Well,
I can dream
Northern Teen
- Monday, January 22, 2001 at 20:19:03 (EST)
Just
saw David Gray's name and was reminded of all the discussion about ticket prices.Last
year he charged under £20 for a gig now its over £30.Great guy but is he trying
to skin the fans just in case the going aint good ?
Cormac <cjnev@yahoo.com>
Cork, - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 11:09:21 (EST)
Sorry
for the incoherence, but I've just come off the third of three incredibly busy
nightshifts! Steve - we are all over at http://www.billybragg.co.uk/cgi-bin/ugb.cgi;
come and join in the fun
Barmy Rob
- Monday, January 22, 2001 at 06:05:26 (EST)
So
there are now 3 bragg email lists and 2 guestbooks. Any similarities between
online bragg fans and lefties in general :)? Anyway - talking of excellent singer-songwriters
I must just recommend David Gray, I have his last two albums and they are both
fucking ace - a modern James Taylor, or perhaps a male Beth Orton - fucking
ace. Oh & I think I may have fucked some Tories; but I've make love to socialists
:)
Barmy Rob
- Monday, January 22, 2001 at 06:03:40 (EST)
"bring
on big bob the jew boy"
stevejust to piss the PC'S off
- Monday, January 22, 2001 at 04:04:48 (EST)
I
must admit I love Bob Dylan and Rory Mcleod probably because they both make
great music, Bob Dylan has averaged 200 gigs a year since 1989, beat that Mr
$3.75 McLeod, and Visons of Johanna is enough for me to pay $73
steve <15 rows back
happy as a pig in shite>
and equally at home with jo-anne kelly in a small folk club in sunderland, -
Monday, January 22, 2001 at 04:03:20 (EST)
Just
out of interest, does anyone know what Maria McKee is doing these days?
Jeff
Glasgow, - Sunday, January 21, 2001 at 17:51:35 (EST)
Just
out of interest, does anyone know what Maria McKee is doing these days?
Jeff
Glasgow, - Sunday, January 21, 2001 at 17:46:42 (EST)
*waits
for the shit to hit the fan* :)
pete w <hardcoretim@yahoo.com>
- Sunday, January 21, 2001 at 14:38:49 (EST)
KIERAN
GRANT: Do debates ever arise? Have you ever come across a fan who has fairly
extreme differing political views to your own? BILLY BRAGG: It depends how you
mean "extreme and different". There is a chap in Salt Lake City called Luther
who is an anarchist. He blows hot and cold on me a bit because I'm not as radical
as he would like me to be. I recently said -- in, out of all places, The Financial
Times -- in the context of an interview about the anti-Globalization demonstrations
in Seattle and Prague, that it's difficult for someone like me, coming from
an old-style ideological tradition, to clearly see what was going on there.
I didn't think it was very constructive just to go round smashing up McDonald's.
Having said that, I heard Luther hit the roof. He's very pissed off and he's
selling all his Billy Bragg stuff on eBay. Like a true anarchist. (laughs) Those
are just rumours. But I've met with him a couple of times. He came to Portland,
Oregon, and berated me for a couple of hours. It's quite interesting, because
what you're doing is dealing with other people's perceptions of you as a performer.
It's his dissection of my politics. What I say in interviews goes right 'round
the world, and (readers) do tell me off sometimes. http://www.canoe.ca/JamMusicArtistsB/bragg.html
Tettland
- Sunday, January 21, 2001 at 12:14:48 (EST)
I'm
listening to me new Nick Drake cd......how did his fingers not fall off?
pete w <*puzzled*>
- Sunday, January 21, 2001 at 08:36:35 (EST)
Rory
McLeod played for nearly three hours, plenty of tracks both old and new, and
as a special request from yours truly he even managed to play a song on the
trombone in one of the encores. if you haven't heard of him he is very much
a storyteller, setting his stories to music. so plenty of chats between songs
much like uncle bill. he plays guitar, harmonica, tap shoes (he stands on the
world's best-travelled piece of wood) and (infrequently) the aforementioned
trombone. like bill, he always makes a point of coming out to the audience after
the show to meet and chat to fans. he really is at home on the road, as an example
his current australian tour lasts from december to april. value for money? beat
that, mr $73 dylan!
geoff
- Sunday, January 21, 2001 at 05:31:28 (EST)
thanks
Pete, Pipedream has been re-released 4 times now and is available in many countries...I
have ordered a cd burner so all the alan hull albums that are not available
on cd I will be converting from vinyl and sending them to ealing shortly
steve
- Sunday, January 21, 2001 at 05:28:21 (EST)
Iāve
finally updated the photos on my website (www.bigfoot.com/~petecrook). Some
are better than others, but Iāve added: Billy and the Blokes: London, December
2000 Billy and the Blokes: Belfast and Derry, December 2000 Billy and the Blokes:
Reading, December 2000 Attila the Stockbroker and Barnstormer: London, October
2000 Larry Kirwan (of Black 47): Wexford, December 2000 Iāve still got a few
more to put up which people have sent me of themselves with Bill, etc. Iāll
put the rest up soon, honest. My website is looking kind of old (hey, I built
it three years ago), but it will get a facelift soon.
Pete Crook
- Sunday, January 21, 2001 at 04:43:27 (EST)
Not
me, but it's an appropriate point for me to thank Steve publicly for the excellent
tapes of Lindisfarne live, and Alan Hull's SUPERB "Pipedream" he sent. It's
no secret that I was a big Lindisfarne fan, but when they first split (far too
soon, and incredibly about 25 years ago now), for some reason I never followed
up Alan's solo stuff. Big mistake. Huge, actually. But yes, this is a brilliant
album, which I hope is still available ?? Highly, highly recommended.
Pete Crook
- Sunday, January 21, 2001 at 04:40:23 (EST)
who
is this brilliant charcter, quoting alan hull????mmm methinks
steve
- Sunday, January 21, 2001 at 01:37:12 (EST)
Space
ships landing in the corn fields, couldn't come a day too soon shake your castanets
and tambourines, Elvis lives on the moon. Nostradamus saw the future, Uri Geller
bent a spoon on the other side it's so secure, Elvis lives on the moon And if
all this is true, not just a mere circumstance I might make it with you, I might
just have a chance. There's a curse waiting for you, down in Tutenkhamen's tomb
don't let it scare or overaws you, Elvis lives on the moon And if all this is
true, not just a mere circumstance I might make it with you, I might just have
a chance. My daddy told me keep an open mind, listen carefully what they say
And if Elvis is any friend of mine, you'll be mine some day
brilliant
- Saturday, January 20, 2001 at 23:45:45 (EST)
lol
..and...I know your DADDY IS VERY WEALTHY AND OWNS HALF THE TOWE IN WHICH MY
OLD MAN WORKS FOR HALF A CROWN AN HOUR 5 DAYS A WEEK AND WAS TO TIRED IN THE
NIGHT TO SPEAK ABOUT THE THINGS IN HIS HEAD, OH ANNA WHAT DOES MONEY MEAN ANYWAY
IVE GOT MORE THAN ALL THAT, I CAN SMILE WHEN ITS A RAINEY DAY, I CAN SEE WHATS
BEHIND THE BIG MONEY GAME THEY ALL MUST PLAY, OH ANNA ITS NOT TOO EASY TO PLAY
THE GAME WHEN YOU KNOW THE RULES ARE FIXED IN FAVOUR OF THE MAN WHO HAS SOME
GOLDEM CUFFLINKS AND WHOSE SILK SHIRT NEVER SEES THE DIRT, BUT OH ANNA I HAVE
MORE THAN ALL THAT I CAN SMILE WHEN ITS A RAINY DAY, I CAN SEE WHATS BEHIND
THE BIG MONEY GAME THEY ALL MUST PLAY........now im in a big heap on the floor
simon
steve
- Saturday, January 20, 2001 at 19:27:50 (EST)
Steve
- just say the word man.
Simon
- Saturday, January 20, 2001 at 19:05:08 (EST)
Steve
- you're right, good choice...I think it's called fate. Lenin lies so stately,
Karl's a forgotten man, Joseph played 'is cards wrong, 'Cos he couldn't understand...OR...My
father is an armchair, My mother is a rug, My sister is a spider, And my cousin
is a bug...right, bedtime, I'm starting to hallucinate...
Simon
- Saturday, January 20, 2001 at 19:03:56 (EST)
ah
yes, the Last Days Of The Raj,in Low Fell the best Biriyani Ive ever tasted...SEE
WHAT YOU HAVE DONE SIMON
steve
- Saturday, January 20, 2001 at 18:59:56 (EST)
ok
Simon its a deal, this year, Cooperage for some real ale(if its open)....a band
in the corner house, down to flynns for the happy hour on the quayside, shame
the mighty haymarket pub has gone and the broken doll
steve
- Saturday, January 20, 2001 at 18:58:29 (EST)
i
DID SEE aLAN THREE WEEKS BEFORE HE DIED AT SOUTH SHIELDS CELLER CLUB i NEARLY
WENT TO SE lOUDON wAINWRIGHT 111 THAT NIGHT INSTEAD THINKING i COULD SEE aLAN
AGAIN SOMETIME, WHAT A DESICION i MADE THAT NIGHT
steve
- Saturday, January 20, 2001 at 18:57:05 (EST)
To
See Alan one last time Id sell my record collection , "In the morning you rise,
sleep still in your eyes' I watched you striptease in reverse, dipped my hand
in your purse, smiling softly you say you say that I could not get much worse"...AWESOME
steve
- Saturday, January 20, 2001 at 18:54:33 (EST)
Cumberland
now and again before a good Jalfrezi @ the Gate of India. Steve when you get
back to the North East let me know and we'll have one great night.
Simon
- Saturday, January 20, 2001 at 18:52:49 (EST)
that
was a good win at elleand road simon..and with the Boro getting a point at liverpol
sunderland rightly stay second..(:)...Bob dylan??...Ive accumulated around 35cds
of Big Bob The Jew Boy(term of endearment again)...do you get to the cumberland
arms, I saw Bob Brozman in there a few years ago..good place
steve
- Saturday, January 20, 2001 at 18:50:35 (EST)
F*cking
genious man...
Simon
- Saturday, January 20, 2001 at 18:49:40 (EST)
AND
ALL THROUGH THE CONVERSATION...
Simon
- Saturday, January 20, 2001 at 18:49:06 (EST)
You'd
pay $80ish to see Bobby Dylan - how much to see the big man one last time?
Simon
- Saturday, January 20, 2001 at 18:47:54 (EST)
and
oh no country genmtlemens wife is gonna get me in the nuuude.....DONT START
ME OFF SIMON
steve
- Saturday, January 20, 2001 at 18:46:30 (EST)
Or
is it (The Ballard of) Hollis Brown?
Simon
- Saturday, January 20, 2001 at 18:44:15 (EST)
And
you're going to see Bobby Dylan? Not a massive fan but I know/play a couple
of his songs - Hollis Brown (Am frenzy) and Simple Twist of Fate (C and other
related chords).
Simon
Monseaton, UK - Saturday, January 20, 2001 at 18:38:58 (EST)
Steve
- I once met a country gentleman's wife...
Simon
- Saturday, January 20, 2001 at 18:26:22 (EST)
Are
you guys going to go to the new guestbook or hang around here? Steve - Bradford
today - easy 3 points? What about NUFC getting 3 points @ Ellandroad.com?
Simon
- Saturday, January 20, 2001 at 18:24:14 (EST)
go
and see both geoff and keep those ears open also add in Bob Brozman who is in
oz, I saw him about 4 years ago in england excellent player
steve
- Saturday, January 20, 2001 at 18:14:43 (EST)
And
a brief review, please, Geoff, if possible...
Pete Crook
- Saturday, January 20, 2001 at 09:34:28 (EST)
Incidentally,
that sounds like a bargain, Geoff. Six Rory McLeod gigs for one Dylan gig at
those rates. I know what I'd be up for...
Pete Crook
- Saturday, January 20, 2001 at 09:32:44 (EST)
I
may have said this before... but anyway, way back when (about 1985 ?), one of
my best mates, Iain McLeod, used to tell me "If you like Billy Bragg so much
you ought to check out my brother, Rory." I had never heard of him then. True
story. Yep, Rory McLeod is superb.
Pete Crook
- Saturday, January 20, 2001 at 09:17:21 (EST)
good
one geoff, Ive seen Rory a few times he is good and so is Bob Dylan
steve
- Saturday, January 20, 2001 at 06:16:03 (EST)
i'm
off to see Rory McLeod in an hour or so, for AU$12. work that one out, Pete.
He's bound to be much more entertaining than Bob Dylan - and better value for
money! www.rorymcleod.com
geoff
- Saturday, January 20, 2001 at 04:43:40 (EST)
Thanks
Mary - my cousin was married to a german and she wore her wedding ring on her
right hand. nice to know you are keeping an eye on the entertainment here.
geoff
- Saturday, January 20, 2001 at 04:41:11 (EST)
Um...
73 Australian dollars is about 41 US Dollars, or 28 quid. Passed on just for
the record, with absolutely no comment !
Pete Crook
London, England - Saturday, January 20, 2001 at 01:36:55 (EST)
Shagging
someone of the same political persuasion doesn't have to be boring. The trick
is to make sure no more than two are from the same country. ;)
Red Robin
- Friday, January 19, 2001 at 21:39:58 (EST)
Bob
Dylan wrote a song about me and my job: "Masters of War". But I liked his Blood
on the Tracks album best. Probably one of my fav. LPs...good stuff on that....
the "Tangled Up in Blue" cut is possibly one of his best songs.
Jeff <dwellej@aol.com>
Dayton, OH, USA - Friday, January 19, 2001 at 19:49:13 (EST)
Carol:
So called drama series like Hamish MacBeth, Monarch of the glen, and new one
2000 acres of sky, seem to me to be more like extended adverts for the Scottish
Tourist Board rather than attempting to portray a realistic picture of Scottish
rural life.The real problems affecting these villages and towns are exactly
the same as those in the cities i.e. unemployment, drugs, crime, but it seems
that city dwellers are craving an idyll that does not exist except in the heads
of some failed romantic novelists who perpetuate the "Brigadoon" myth. The popularity
of these shows is perhaps proof that there is a nostalgia for a more innocent
time, mix this with magical landscapes and hey presto: a ratings winner.
Jeff
Glasgow, - Friday, January 19, 2001 at 18:27:27 (EST)
$11,
that's about 5 quid, I'd pay that to see Dylan. Any other currencies?
Jon
Bristol, UK - Friday, January 19, 2001 at 17:35:09 (EST)
best
Bob Dylan album???....Blood On The Tracks....Blonde on Blonde....Live at Budokan
...Desire(my fave)
steve
- Friday, January 19, 2001 at 16:58:18 (EST)
opps
that should have been 30.000 and BOB, "what other guestbook...two guestbooks
is a good idea Toby one for music and one for the politically correct hypocrites
to huddle in..(:)
steve
- Friday, January 19, 2001 at 16:56:29 (EST)
Jessica,
Big Boy the Jew Boy, has one of his best ever bands these days and the reviews
are fantasic...I'll send you a review......(please no politically correct comments
about the jew boy comment, its a reference to when I saw Bob Dylan at St James
park in 1984 300000 geordies singing bring on the jew boy, a memory to hold
I tell you
steve
- Friday, January 19, 2001 at 16:53:59 (EST)
Whoops,
sorry about that. Now get on over to the other guestbook!
Jessica
- Friday, January 19, 2001 at 15:09:11 (EST)
"You
never saw the frowns/ On the jokers and the clowns/ When they all did tricks
for you" I'd give my arm to see Bob Dylan. Though I hear he's a bit out of it
now. We expect a full review, Steve.
Jessica Jolly
- Friday, January 19, 2001 at 15:03:44 (EST)
"You
never saw the frowns/ On the jokers and the clowns/ When they all did tricks
for you." I'd give my arm to see Bob Dylan. Though I hear he's a little out
of it now. You'll have to give us a review, Steve.
Jessica Jolly
- Friday, January 19, 2001 at 14:59:19 (EST)
Um...Steve?
Isn't AU $73 roughly equivalent to US $11? I'd pay $11 to see Bob Dylan, too.
australian money is practically worthless
- Friday, January 19, 2001 at 13:48:55 (EST)
Also
Geoff, in America everyone has guns and far more people of all classes and backgrounds
go shooting things generally. Perhaps because there's a greater variety of things
to shoot. Personally I can't stomach any of it and feel enormous dismay towards
anyone who gets a kck out of that. Ted Nugent is doing this astounding thing
whereby terminally sick kids get to go on a holiday before they die, on which
they shoot a variety of creatures, taking out their misery on animals. Crazy
America.
chris <duckyfuzz@hotmail.com>
london, england - Friday, January 19, 2001 at 13:01:55 (EST)
...don't
forget that wedding rings aren't on the left hand for all religions/cultures
(e.g. the Greek Orthodox).
Mary <mhuey@umich.edu>
Ann Arbor, USA - Friday, January 19, 2001 at 10:28:50 (EST)
I
got my Bob Dylan Ticket today..$73.15 including booking fee, and Im more than
happy to pay that amount, I'd also pay that for Bill too, why, because I believe
it's value for money..so come gather round people where ever you roam and admit
that the waters around you have grown....
steve
- Friday, January 19, 2001 at 04:03:20 (EST)
I
surfed into the Guardian site and read an article on the foxhunting issue. Seems
like we in the US are more into the chase aspect and less into the kill, but
it does happen, of course. The rules are different here. Also, there seems to
be a layer of class politics involved that kind of go beyond the hunting issue.
Here in the US foxhunting isn't so politicized (in fact its' pretty obscure..the
only reason I know about it is because I went to college in the Bluegrass and
freind from college knew a farmer who belonged to that hunt in Lexington)
Jeff <dwellej@aol.com>
Dayton, OH, USA - Thursday, January 18, 2001 at 22:27:36 (EST)
Nope,
I can safely say I've never shagged a Republican......but Tories...hmmm..i'd
have to ask - and i don't particularly want to :)
pete w <i'm just a wee young
lad :D>
- Thursday, January 18, 2001 at 19:39:18 (EST)
NT:
i'm more concerned with the yuppie shoes mr bragg is modelling! :-)
geoff
- Thursday, January 18, 2001 at 19:22:36 (EST)
"Vote
Socialist mother f*ckers!! aaaarrrrrgggh!"
Northern Teen
- Thursday, January 18, 2001 at 18:33:21 (EST)
Get
a load of Billy Bragg's trousers in the picture on this review (http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0103/sotc.shtml)!!!
He'll be dueting with KoRn next.
Northern Teen
- Thursday, January 18, 2001 at 18:32:36 (EST)
next
door...
keri
- Thursday, January 18, 2001 at 16:04:32 (EST)
whats
going on??? is it in here or next door???
Brian
London, UK - Thursday, January 18, 2001 at 16:01:30 (EST)
Steve
- re the Whiskey Priests, I went to their website when you mentioned it a while
back. It has huge detail of their gig history, and establishes that they played
for the first time (at Fowler's Yard) on October 4th 1985 - sadly, I had finally
left Durham for Japan (after a great 7 years) just 6 months earlier. So I never
got to see them.
Bogues <Prefab
Sprout were the local band when I arrived in Durham...>
- Thursday, January 18, 2001 at 14:39:28 (EST)
Jeff,
I'd echo Dyl's comments. IF 'people' want to go killing, an rifle shot generally
kills the animal in one go, whereas a pack of hounds won't.
Jon
Bristol, UK - Thursday, January 18, 2001 at 13:28:17 (EST)
Happy
Birthday Alberr. I don't believe you're 60. You're just a young thing. You must
be using a fake ID so you get into bars when you come to the US. Get well and
enjoy your birthday.
Carol
- Thursday, January 18, 2001 at 11:41:41 (EST)
I've
just spent my christmas money on a ticket for Feb 9th. Do come Sonj, you can
stay at mine and we can practically walk from Southgate.
siobhan <well not quite
but its v. close >
- Thursday, January 18, 2001 at 09:10:23 (EST)
oh
god, I didn't mean that personally, I was responding to earlier comments about
sex with republicans etc. sorry!
chris <duckyfuzz@hotmail.com>
london, england - Thursday, January 18, 2001 at 08:40:22 (EST)
Isn't
there something quite exciting about fucking a Tory?
chris <duckyfuzz@hotmail.com>
london, england - Thursday, January 18, 2001 at 08:39:18 (EST)
my
main reason for demanding alberr make an honest women of me was so i could wear
a wedding ring so could tell left from right. No, i don't drive 'abroad'.
sonj
- Thursday, January 18, 2001 at 08:28:16 (EST)
sonj
- that would be even more confusing for me. when i became separated (now divorced)
i moved my wedding ring from my left to right hand.
geoff
- Thursday, January 18, 2001 at 08:21:46 (EST)
happy
birthday alberr - you share it with the lovely jasmine and her younger brother.
geoff
- Thursday, January 18, 2001 at 08:20:06 (EST)
oh
dear, i mean the one on the side where my wedding ring is. that is the left!
luckily my inability to tell left from right doesn't include politics!
sonj
- Thursday, January 18, 2001 at 08:17:09 (EST)
sonj,
do you mean the left hand column? or are they on opposite sides on the top half
of the globe? :-)
geoff
- Thursday, January 18, 2001 at 08:14:50 (EST)
last
but not least, Happy Birthday Alberr. He is 60 today! (and in bed with flu:(
does he get a free bus pass or anyhing? we could do with a bit of extra cash
now i'm not working. Lovely & timely parcel in the post today from Rob. I am
that woman with the beer on the stage! thanks mate, your a star
sonj <strumpet@home>
- Thursday, January 18, 2001 at 08:12:58 (EST)
Theo,
if there are any tickets left by the time i get my redundancy pay i will blow
some of it on the southgate gig.
sonj, just catching up
- Thursday, January 18, 2001 at 08:07:58 (EST)
did
i type that? I have only been away from work for a week and already my keyboard
skills have deteriorated. I am now officially redundant but as alberr has been
kept on for six months at least i can be a kept women for a bit:)
sonj
- Thursday, January 18, 2001 at 08:07:01 (EST)
Toby,
i rather liked the 'new gustbook'. As geoff ( think) said the right hand column
could be a bit narrower but i love the colours and the pictire at the top.
sonj <i can handle
change, i am a revolutionary!>
- Thursday, January 18, 2001 at 08:05:11 (EST)
Michael
after nearly three years of being a regular on the BBGB, I can safely say the
double standards and hypocrisy of SOME people who pontificate about socialism
never ceases to amaze me
steve <hello kim>
- Thursday, January 18, 2001 at 06:52:39 (EST)
having
sex with people of the same class or political belief must be so boring....once
when I was 17 and in a pub in Sunderland a very old lady came up to me and said
"use your penis well while your young son"...I hope I did...still make sme laugh
steve <johnquays@optusnet.com.au>
- Thursday, January 18, 2001 at 06:47:53 (EST)
Michael,
sorry there's too many to mention...Bogues I agree you got me there, do you
have any Whisky Priests Bogues, they are from the Co Durhanm coalfields an area
you know well.....SEX...having slept with most classes the upper classes always
felt better..(:)..get the true joke
steve
- Thursday, January 18, 2001 at 06:44:40 (EST)
Nice
one, Siobhan!
Tettland
- Thursday, January 18, 2001 at 06:39:07 (EST)
Just
been thrown here mysteriously after having spent the last 30 mins at the other
GB. I have to say I have done it with a republican but nver a Republican (this
is PC if you're a Brit). I have done it with a tory (I was a desparate teenager
at the time). Happily, I can say it's a red that keeps me warm these days. ;)
Btw, has anyone "seen" SONJA recently?
Tettland <tettland@hotmail.com>
- Thursday, January 18, 2001 at 06:37:09 (EST)
I'm
slightly ashamed to say I don't know if I've ever done it with a Tory, although
there was this bloke who used to make a noise that sounded like 'Maaagggie'.
siobhan
- Thursday, January 18, 2001 at 06:35:31 (EST)
Hunting
with dogs is an issue where people are largely divided upon class lines. The
pro-hunt lobby claim that it is a more humane form of pest control than any
other. But it's not about pest control, it's about rich people who enjoy dressing
up, galloping over fields irrespective of whose fields they are, and finishing
up with a wild animal being ripped limb from limb whilst still alive. If a fool
proof and unarguably humane method of pest control emerged, they would still
want to hunt. Hunting is about enjoyment, not pest control. It is a leisure
pursuit that relies upon cruelty for its kicks.
Dyl
- Thursday, January 18, 2001 at 04:45:27 (EST)
Carol:
I have NEVER done it with a Republican. This I know for sure! I have done quite
a few Commies, though... ;) Time for bed. I have a warm Commie waiting for me
upstairs.
Red Robin
NJ, USA - Thursday, January 18, 2001 at 03:01:23 (EST)
Jeff
(Dayton) - The animal rights lobby is quite strong in the UK. The hunting lobby
argue that hunting with dogs is more humane than shooting foxes - Obviuosly
this is a load of bollo' - Over here the hunts make up there own rules -foxes
that have gone to ground are regularly dug out and then thrown to the dogs,
they trespass and show scant regard for the countryside rules that they when
they are not hunting insist that everyone else follows. For me the issue isn't
about animal rights as I see the ban on hunting with hounds as a POKE IN THE
EYE FOR THE RULING CLASS!
Dickie
(Not) Billericay, UK - Thursday, January 18, 2001 at 02:57:01 (EST)
You
lot still here? :) Don't like the green and white combination, huh? Keri: I
would've gone for beer with Erin but she hasn't contacted me.
Tettland <tettland@hotmail.com>
- Thursday, January 18, 2001 at 00:49:11 (EST)
Sleeping
with a W supporter?? Well, they're easily pleased, thank goodness...
Bogues
- Wednesday, January 17, 2001 at 22:52:52 (EST)
I
have little sympathy with socialist landlords. We have plenty of them here in
the US, too. How are you feeling, Jeff of Glasgow? Recovered from the flu? I
was wondering, as a Scotsman, how do you feel about those TV programs that portray
Scotland as quaint and filled with "queer" folk (I don't mean homosexual, I
mean like strange and magical)? I am referring to shows like Hamish McBeth and
Monarch of the Glen. I find them sort of condescending, but then, I'm a blinkered
American. I prefer movies like My Name Is Joe and Orphans. But those are "city"
movies about urban problems. Nothing quaint and rustic in them.
Carol
San Francisco, - Wednesday, January 17, 2001 at 19:38:24 (EST)
Just
watched Mark Thomas show up Michael Meachers hypocricy. Meacher by previously
condemning ownership of real estate as investment now shown to own at least
5 properties. Surely the exposing of politicians as charlatans is as easy as
1,2,3 and is of very little interest to a somewhat jaded and cynical electorate.Any
thoughts?
Jeff
Glasgow - Wednesday, January 17, 2001 at 19:27:01 (EST)
...what
wrong with foxhunting with hounds? It seem a hell of alot more sporting that
foxhunting with a rifle like some do here in the US. There is a very traditional
fox hunt near Lexington, KY, called the Iroqouis Hunt...a mix of Bluegrass gentry
and good-old-boy farmers participate. If I recall right the rules of this sport
says that you don't kill the fox unless the owner of the property you are on
has given permission to do so, and if a fox is treed it stays treed...you don't
shake the tree to get the fox down. Suprised to see the English become so PC
about this, as I beleive this is where the sport originated...somehow I think
this sport could be as dangerous to the humans as it is to the fox.
Jeff <dwellej@aol.com>
Dayton,OH, USA - Wednesday, January 17, 2001 at 18:53:36 (EST)
Early
days, Jon? - Id'say with a delay of at least 100 years! :)
Carsten
- Wednesday, January 17, 2001 at 18:32:55 (EST)
Despair
not Carol, the whole of this country has been shafted by tories for years.
Jeff
Glasgow - Wednesday, January 17, 2001 at 17:59:42 (EST)
Oh
god, I just remembered. I did do it with a Republican, several times at that.
I am so ashamed. But that was over 25 years ago, and besides, he promised he'd
change his voter registration. After the several times, he did!
Carol
- Wednesday, January 17, 2001 at 15:58:26 (EST)
so
have I got this straight? There are two guestbooks running at the moment as
part of an experiment? I don't mind which one stays so long as there is only
one.
siobhan
- Wednesday, January 17, 2001 at 15:46:57 (EST)
Right,
Nancy was the one who converted him to the republican party, as rumor has it.
What's it like, sleeping with a W supporter?
Jessica
- Wednesday, January 17, 2001 at 14:35:26 (EST)
A
Republican in Boston who worked on a Kennedy campaign?!?! Bogues - Thank you
for providing further evidence on just how blurry everything has become. Did
you know that Ronald Wilson Reagan was once a Democrat?
Michael <dueling@guestbooks>
- Wednesday, January 17, 2001 at 13:59:24 (EST)
I
am proud to say that I have never knowingly done it with a Republican.
Carol
- Wednesday, January 17, 2001 at 13:51:03 (EST)
Ah
Keri, she fooled me! In the early days of our relationship she told me how she
had worked for one of Joe Kennedy's campaign in Boston. By the time she got
round to admitting she only did that "because he was cute" I was already permanently
hooked. Anyway, it's fun having someone around the house trying to justify Dubya
and his team...
Bogues
- Wednesday, January 17, 2001 at 13:47:34 (EST)
Steve
- What exactly is "another example" of double standards? And what was the first
example?
Michael
- Wednesday, January 17, 2001 at 13:35:50 (EST)
Christ,
bogues... that should be the second question right after zodiac sign!!!!
keri
- Wednesday, January 17, 2001 at 12:23:04 (EST)
Steve
- what's up with me wondering about the Joan Armatrading thing? You're right
that it doesn't affect the music, but I can't help but be disappointed when
someone I like turns out to have politics I don't like. Like when I found out
my missus is a Republican......
Bogues <We are still married....>
- Wednesday, January 17, 2001 at 12:06:31 (EST)
.
.
- Wednesday, January 17, 2001 at 07:34:17 (EST)
Paul,
Im sure if you listen to Bloody Well Live a few times it will grow on you ....when
he sings "this is a song about a place called Sunderland" land of the dinosaur
nah nah nah nah nah
steve
- Wednesday, January 17, 2001 at 06:21:18 (EST)
VAUXHALL
DEMONSTRATION - If anybody in NORTH LONDON is interested there is a coach organised
by the Trades Council going up to Luton this Saturday - Cost £5. Further details
from rphproductions@hotmail.com
Dickie
(Not) Billericay, UK - Wednesday, January 17, 2001 at 05:49:46 (EST)
What
a great album Steve. For me, their best by a mile. Great songs like 'Shut down
the waggon works' and 'Halcyon Days'. Bloody marvellous. Can't wait to get home
tonight and listen to it again for the first time in ages. Thanks for reminding
me!
Paul W
Bratislava, - Wednesday, January 17, 2001 at 05:39:52 (EST)
anyway,
my Whisky Priests album arrived called Nee Gud Luck and its awesome
steve
- Wednesday, January 17, 2001 at 03:27:06 (EST)
there
is no such thing as a socialist pub, maybe a capitalist pub full of would be
socialist theoreticals
steve
- Wednesday, January 17, 2001 at 03:26:15 (EST)
The
Van Morrison debate was another exapmle of dbl standards, while so called socialists
on here (who also own land and property) are slagging him off for being rich
and a wanker...Van is a blues man and has produced some great albums especially
Astral Weeks and Its too late to stop now...Carsten did you know Good Morning
Little Schoolgirl was an old Blues standard that has been recorded by Rod Stewert,
Ten Years After(Alvin Lee)..The Yardbirds and many more, and wasn't written
with Political Correctness in mind (Thank fuck for that I cry)
steve <johnquays@optusnet.com.au>
- Wednesday, January 17, 2001 at 03:24:06 (EST)
so
what if Joan Armatrading is a Tory, Its her music that you like wasnt it??...do
you think Billy Bragg only listens to left wing socialist stuff/music??...when
browsing an art gallery do you ignore the paintings that were done by a right
wing artist??...NO, so wrap up
steve
- Wednesday, January 17, 2001 at 03:19:32 (EST)
Or
even http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/newsid_555000/555847.stm
Bogues
- Tuesday, January 16, 2001 at 22:37:39 (EST)
I've
been wanting to post for days about this Joan Armatrading being a Tory donor
thing. Is it DEFINITELY true? I was as surprised and disappointed as some others,
but have been searching every conceivable resource on the Web to substantiate
it, and couldn't find anything - other than articles about how lovely she is
for her work with cerebral palsy victims, and about her work on the Nelson Mandela
tribute (e.g. see http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/new sid_555000/555847.stm
). Pete C and Brian - are you SURE of your facts??
Boguespierre <Is this a redundant
post??>
- Tuesday, January 16, 2001 at 22:30:13 (EST)
So
will we be having two guestbooks the way they have two "one-lists".
Jeff <dwellej@aol.com>
Dayton, OH, USA - Tuesday, January 16, 2001 at 21:30:44 (EST)
To
find out what people REALLY mean when they post here, go to http://brunching.com/toys/drugslanger.html
and enter this website... it's very amusing!
Kat
- Tuesday, January 16, 2001 at 20:51:21 (EST)
Steve
- People turn to poison quick as lager turns to piss; sweethearts are physically
sick every time they kiss; it's a sociologist's paradise, each day repeats;
uneasy, cheesy, greasy, queasy, beastly Beasely Street :)
pete w <even mackems
can have good taste in music>
- Tuesday, January 16, 2001 at 18:43:23 (EST)
And
i`ve gained 5 hours. Bloody brilliant.
jeff
Glasgow, - Tuesday, January 16, 2001 at 18:32:36 (EST)
Oh,
$%^& it`s working now.
jeff
Glasgow, - Tuesday, January 16, 2001 at 17:50:02 (EST)
just
a test
Testy McTesty
Testville, Republic of Testy - Tuesday, January 16, 2001 at 15:25:30 (EST)
Pass
On it! Support Tony Animal, Blair Vivisection!
Ann Agram
- Tuesday, January 16, 2001 at 14:33:11 (EST)
jessica...
glad to see you're around today. i don't know everyone just the hardcore alcoholics...
next time you get to pick the pub.
keri
- Tuesday, January 16, 2001 at 14:14:25 (EST)
Alright,
I tried the other board on for size. Cute, but it's so much cozier in here.
Did you all know Keri is the most popular girl in Brooklyn?
Jessica Jolly <she
knows everyone is the entire borough, I swear!>
- Tuesday, January 16, 2001 at 14:01:00 (EST)
There's
a hell of a time delay, is this to soothe the irate posters?
Jon
Bristol, UK - Tuesday, January 16, 2001 at 13:48:47 (EST)
hi
tettland... you must go have a beer with erin... she should be in denmark right
now. i'm so jealous of her.... grrrr.... i want a job with travel.
keri
- Tuesday, January 16, 2001 at 12:29:40 (EST)
Well
it almost did. Guestbooks don't like macs I suppose.
Sue <see last message>
- Tuesday, January 16, 2001 at 12:10:44 (EST)
This
is the third time I've tried to post this message (on both guestbooks) - how
much of a time delay is going on?! There's an interview with Billy in February's
issue of Mojo about which album changed his life. Has that wor
Sue <sue_westcott>
- Tuesday, January 16, 2001 at 12:08:45 (EST)
PAM:
I know this refers to a few days back but why are you talking to me about sport
(Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 23:41:16 (GMT))? I have no interest in football
(save the world/FA/Euro cup) or sport and was not involved in the debate. I
was, however, pissed off with Luther's constant "the masses are sheep"-bleeting
(pun intended). This is why I found your "bread and circuses" remark patronising
and condescening.
Tettland
- Tuesday, January 16, 2001 at 12:07:12 (EST)
So
now we have two guestbooks on the new server. I prefer the one at http://www.billybragg.co.uk/cgi-bin/ugb.cgi
because it's easier to maintain. No-one else among the free radicals who contribute
to this page seems to agree...
Toby
- Tuesday, January 16, 2001 at 12:03:34 (EST)
Carol.
We switched servers over the weekend - in fact we switched web hosts. That meant
a delay while all the ISPs of the world updated their records to the new address.
For a while two billy bragg web sites existed. Your message probably got posted
to the old site (because that's where your ISP directed you), before it was
moved (by me) to the new one. The new site is what you are now reading, you
will be glad to know. Just to confuse matters further, the script controlling
this guestbook did not work on the new server for a while, so I put up the 'alternative'
guestbook I have been toying with for a while.
Toby
- Tuesday, January 16, 2001 at 12:00:22 (EST)
Toby:
I am terribly confused about what is going on. On Saturday, I posted a slightly
drunken message about, among other things, Christopher Marlowe, my favorite
Elizabethan playwright. It didn't appear until this morning, and the time was
marked as Monday! I tried to go on the website that you said Dickie posted on,
to no avail is happening. Oh yes, for any newcomer to the guestbook, Billy Bragg
is the greatest and I hope he comes to the West Coast very soon.
Carol
San Francisco, - Tuesday, January 16, 2001 at 11:53:43 (EST)
Only
informally.
Toby
- Tuesday, January 16, 2001 at 11:50:52 (EST)
are
we gonna vote to see which one we keep and which one we ditch?
keri
- Tuesday, January 16, 2001 at 11:37:01 (EST)
I'm
sure you would. Egg and cress, not a bad idea. But I'll probably go for a stinky
cheese. The local Spanish deli goes in for a powerful dolcelatte (not Spanish,
I know).
Toby
- Tuesday, January 16, 2001 at 11:26:23 (EST)
well,
if i worked there i would change it to make one englishman happy. egg n' cress?
keri
- Tuesday, January 16, 2001 at 11:18:45 (EST)
And
if you're hungry - I still haven't been out for that sandwich. It's 4 o'clock.
Toby
- Tuesday, January 16, 2001 at 11:15:17 (EST)
I
don't think they'll change the time on their server (with lots of other sites
on it) just to keep one Englishman happy. The only question is whether the script
will allow me to add five hours...
Toby
- Tuesday, January 16, 2001 at 11:14:11 (EST)
well
toby, you're the man in charge. the other one is fine.. but the orange needs
to be toned down a bit. why an american company? surely they can modify the
time to reflect gmt... i'm hungry...
keri
- Tuesday, January 16, 2001 at 11:10:43 (EST)
Sorry,
I meant paste the url. I'm going to turn off this
word wrap thing, I think.
Toby
- Tuesday, January 16, 2001 at 10:49:54 (EST)
Keri,
even before we switched web hosts, I put a link
up to an 'alternative' guestbook design on this page.
It's worth looking at and posting to because the
layout's a bit more interesting than this one. It also
automatically creates a new page when a certain
number of messages have been posted (though you
can still read the previous ones). You can reach it by
visiting the Home page and clicking on Forum - at least
until I change the link. Or just post the url below into
your browser. Or did you know all that?
As for the EST thing - we are now on an American
server, not a London one, hence the time change. If I
can the time I will.
Toby
- Tuesday, January 16, 2001 at 10:48:50 (EST)
No,
not returns. Some sort of word wrap type thing.
Curious.
Toby
- Tuesday, January 16, 2001 at 10:44:54 (EST)
put
it back to gmt...universal time is best.
keri
- Tuesday, January 16, 2001 at 10:44:40 (EST)
toby,
glad it's working again. i haven't checked the new guestbook. should i?
keri
- Tuesday, January 16, 2001 at 10:43:55 (EST)
I
seem to have switched on the function that includes
returns in these posts. Do we like? I think probably not.
Toby
- Tuesday, January 16, 2001 at 10:43:05 (EST)
There's
nothing more embarrassing than talking to
yourself. Well, there is, but I'm not going to reveal it
here. I think I'll nip off and get a sandwich.
Toby
- Tuesday, January 16, 2001 at 10:41:06 (EST)
Notice
the time, eh?
Toby
- Tuesday, January 16, 2001 at 10:36:21 (EST)
Hello,
Keri. Devilishly quiet here, isn't it? That's what
happens when you disrupt things and move web sites
around. I take it you can resist the charms of the
alternative guestbook.
Toby
- Tuesday, January 16, 2001 at 10:35:03 (EST)
morning
toby...
keri
- Tuesday, January 16, 2001 at 10:32:38 (EST)
I'd
just like to congratulate Dickie on being the only person to post to the 'new'
guestbook, at http://www.billybragg.co.uk/cgi-bin/ugb.cgi
Toby <office@billybragg.co.uk>
- Tuesday, January 16, 2001 at 10:24:56 (EST)
It
is, Keri. But only just, after a lot of fiddling about. We're also running the
'new' version, at http://www.billybragg.co.uk/cgi-bin/ugb.cgi, which I set up
this morning when I couldn't get this script running on the new server. Maybe
I should run two guestbooks...
Toby <office@billybragg.co.uk>
- Tuesday, January 16, 2001 at 10:18:40 (EST)
.
.
- Tuesday, January 16, 2001 at 10:14:59 (EST)
no
really, this is back?
keri
- Tuesday, January 16, 2001 at 10:14:54 (EST)
I
know this message is bound to upset those who want all socialists to be kind
and loving, but righteous anger towards the elite and powerful is also a socialist
tradition. So here goes. I went out today with a friend who used to live in
San Francisco. We went to the Top of the Mark, a bar at the exclusive Mark Hopkins
Hotel. We did it to honor our parents' generation--the men and women who lived
through World War II. The night before the men shipped out to Europe and Asia,
they would go to the Top of The Mark to drink and romance their sweethearts.
Tom wanted to know what was happening in San Francisco. I proceeded to drink
lots of cosmopolitans and then I went into a rant about the Republicans who
run the university where I work. They stole a bunch of the tax payers money
and got away with it! I was quite drunk and made lots of literary references
about Marlowe's Edward II. I really don't want hot pokers shoved up the asses
of Republicans, but I really, really despise them. They are cruel and they are
thieves. And for the sake of Sonja and all the people made redundant by Tory
bosses (and New Labor economics) I will make the same literary references. The
ruling class sucks. Now I have to try to sober up so I can revert to my sweet
rational self.
Carol
- Monday, January 15, 2001 at 11:50:47 (GMT)
No
torrent of abuse. Amazed, although somewhat gratified, but at least a little
cricket amongst the welter of football (Not that I've got anything against football,
another famous victory for Southport today!). Incidentally, as this site is
essentially about Billy Bragg, favourite lyric; "Like a pale moon in a Summer
sky, Death looks down as I pass by/ To remind me that I'm but my father's son."
(Tank Park Salute). Also, there's a tribute to Kirsty on one of the BBC radio
stations next Saturday (Sorry, didn't catch which one).
Den <deniskerr@pinfold23.fsnet.co.uk>
- Monday, January 15, 2001 at 09:56:34 (GMT)
Tony!
You know what I said when I said 2 - well I meant 3!! 2 of the size 40's for
me and 1 in the 48 for clarissa!! Andy - try rubbing it with some anti viral
ointment (works for me!!!!) Stuart I'll see if I've got any spare carrots, plenty
of onions but thats ahrdly the same thing! - Can't be arsed to email but I'm
sure everyone want's to read this crap!!!!!!
bollocks
- Monday, January 15, 2001 at 03:22:42 (GMT)
brian...
good ear. gorillaz--tomorrow comes today and latin simone feat. damon albarn...
not too bad either.
keri
- Monday, January 15, 2001 at 02:24:19 (GMT)
i
don't have much coordination for football or volleyball... i was apart of a
bowling league for 6 years.
keri
- Monday, January 15, 2001 at 02:19:49 (GMT)
...apart
from connecting people and bringing huge enjoyment to millions of spectators
worldwide...
Carsten
- Monday, January 15, 2001 at 01:38:57 (GMT)
Keri,
I used to participate--getting too old to do so now. I used to be a whitewater
kayaker and canoist--both of which I also instructed and would continue if my
shoulders would hold up. I played softball and volleyball a bit, fenced, and
was asked to join my university's archery team. I even tried my hand at football
(soccer). Games that pit one against an adversary are not to my liking--participating
or watching. If I am going to fight someone, I want it to mean something. And
I reiterate, professional sports do little but make the owners and sponsors
richer.
Pam
- Monday, January 15, 2001 at 01:17:29 (GMT)
.
.
- Monday, January 15, 2001 at 00:31:35 (GMT)
.
.
- Monday, January 15, 2001 at 00:19:51 (GMT)
morning
pam. that's an interesting perspective on sport. if you're not into watching
em... do you play any? i wish i didn't live in the city so i could go skiing...
keri
- Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 23:45:15 (GMT)
And
before you jump, change "is" to "are" in that second sentence and "governement"
to "government."
Pam
- Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 23:43:23 (GMT)
Tettland:
I was neither condescending nor patronizing. What I do find so, however, is
those who think that those of us who have no interest in sports are whacked.
And, yes, I have to say that professional sports serve the same function as
the Roman circuses--the power elite meet and cut deals while the unwashed masses
are occupied with brainless pastimes at which they work out aggression that
might otherwise be levelled at those bosses. Sports are as much political from
that perspective as they are escapes from day-to-day life. As long as governement
can provide bread and circuses....
Pam
- Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 23:41:16 (GMT)
thanks
for the tips brian... i'll give em a listen. ERIN: ARE YOU THERE YET? shopping
list 1)pair of boots size eur40 2)box of sainsbury's tea 3)A4 folders (you know
the ones) 4)10 pack of silk cut 5)richard from wood green... cheers drink plenty
of cider and eat lots of chips. and don't you dare go to sheffield without me.
keri
- Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 23:25:42 (GMT)
pete:
thanks for weighing in on the luther discussion. you said something to the effect
that when you don't agree with something luther posts then you tell him... well,
from what i've witnessed here so has everyone (more times than not in a non-insulting
way.) but do you know what we get in response from luther? INSULTS. the fact
that mr. gaylord demands to feel the victim on this page is sad. i think it's
everyone's right not to answer any question posted here... so why oh why do
we all have to suffer from luther's cut and paste repeat posts to barbara and
carol as recent examples? they don't want to answer his questions or in some
cases have answered but not to his argumentative standard. i'm really tired
of being labeled a sheep because i like football and voted for al gore. sorry
but luther won't rattle my existance here in sunny new york. i see him being
counter-productive to everything he claims to believe in and struggles for...and
that's enough about luther. he doesn't control what topics are discussed here...
you don't like the football banter here luther... there's always a porn site
to go to.
keri
- Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 23:21:30 (GMT)
.
.
- Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 23:16:39 (GMT)
.
.
- Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 23:02:25 (GMT)
Elementary,
my dear Michael. :)
geoff
- Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 22:55:06 (GMT)
Luther:
I have a question for you. On (guestbook time) Saturday, January 13, 2001 at
23:34:55 (GMT) you said to Rob Lang: "... So why should I answer any of your
questions?". Earlier, on (guestbook time again) Saturday, January 13, 2001 at
23:20:29 (GMT) you said: "... My task, at the present time, is to persuade workers
that they should oppose capitalism." Why, then, if Rob's questions (or mine
or others') give you the opportunity to offer persuasive arguments to workers
of the need to oppose capitalism, do you instead choose to either ignore the
questions or denigrate those who ask them? Surely a forum such as this gives
you the opportunity to do so (clearly your answers are read by more than just
the individuals who ask them), but I am dismayed that your contempt for those
who don't share your point of view (or have a personal dislike for you)detracts
from the credibility of the valid points you often raise.
geoff <geoffwilson@uq.net.au>
Brisbane, Australia - Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 22:52:12 (GMT)
I
presume the truth about Van Morrison lies somewhere in between. Kim, I'd agree
with you about 'Brown-eyed girl' - a great song. But unfortunately he also sings
far less endearing ones about girls or women like eg 'Good morning, little schoolgirl'.
Very dodgy lyrics, IMO. Also, the fact that he is some kind of a 'born-again-christian'
doesn't necessarily make him a more interesting or likeable person to me. Religeous
songs like 'Give me my rapture' or 'Did ye get healed?' are probably a question
of taste (not to mine anyway). His politics, well at least you can say he's
non-sectarian, "cross-community projects" such as with the Chieftains or Brian
Kennedy are proof of that. I saw Van a few times on stage here in Belfast and
must admit that he's probably the finest musician this place has ever produced
(even though he's a fat, ugly & big-headed Ba***rd.)
Carsten
- Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 21:09:48 (GMT)
That's
'quick', not 'quite', of course. Rather scarily, as people may have noticed
in my previous posts, I have picked up the habit, not to misspell or mistype,
but to insert COMPLETELY THE WRONG WORD in sentences at times. Creeping middle
age...
Pete Crook
- Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 18:14:11 (GMT)
OK,
a quite one-size-fits-all post, then I'm outta here. My comments about Van Morrison
were based mostly on stuff I read in interviews, and his attitude on stage.
I didn't know he has one of Dickie's old drinking buddies - *grin* - but this
doesn't change my views !! 10CC's "Dreadlock Holiday" is at best confused and
patronising imho, and at worst racist. And frankly I would say it tends towards
the latter. On a cricketing theme, I *did* post a little tribute to the late
great Colin Cowdrey of Kent a while back. And finally...heads down...I just
scrolled through the overnight posts. No message from Luther, but still plenty
of jibes thrown at him here and there. Guys, look. I am not an apologist for
Luther. He says and does things that I disagree with at times, too. As do other
people. And if I feel the need, I tell him. I don't insult him. But if some
people are going to keep up this incessant barrage, I'm sure the Punch and Judy
show will go on forever. Luther's most recent comments on this list were part
of a sensible debate, and don't merit this response.
Pete Crook <petecrook@bigfoot.com>
London, England - Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 18:10:32 (GMT)
Zimbabwe
9 for 240 after 50 overs, West Indies 1 for 7 after 3 overs. Adelaide weather
43.6 degrees celcius (about 120 degrees or so farenheight) and weāve been told
to turn our airconditioning off to avoid power cuts.
Rosie
Adelaide, Sth Australia - Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 18:03:41 (GMT)
Pam:
condescending and patronising - look it up! Jon D: You are right but how do
persuade people not to respond to such xenophobic shite? Counter it with an
equally irrational argument? If people are put themselves on the line for cause
they have to understand the benefits of doing so and in practical terms. Luther
hasn't been too specific about the latter.
Tettland
- Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 17:13:18 (GMT)
P.S.
Van Morrison...A member of my person pantheon, Marianne Faithfull, is a friend
of his, and I would have to respect her (now) sober judgment as far as people
go. She has literally seen it ALL. (Remember to say that about me at my wake,
eh?) Also, Van wrote "Brown Eyed Girl," and it was really about fucking time
someone wrote a non-Aryan tribute about a woman's color.
Kim B. <suchbrowneyesyouc@n'tseetheirises>
Bloomington,Indiana, U.S.A. - Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 11:56:53 (GMT)
Living
in Utah is no excuse....one of my brilliant co-workers was recently head-hunted
into a marvelous job in Salt Lake City. Some people simply never evolve past
the plant stage of life.
Kim B. <grrrlkim@community.hipmama.com>
Bloomington, Indiana, USA - Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 11:53:11 (GMT)
Hi
keri - I tried to track that song that I was convinced Damon Albarn - found
loads of them (Gorillaz, Deltron 3030) but not the one I heard on the radio
- must have been someone who sounds like him
Brian
London, UK - Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 11:41:33 (GMT)
Den:
I understand what you are trying to say but I find it hard to feel sympathy
or compassion to someone who injures themselves whilst committing an act that
I totally dis-agree with - to take the discussion one step further - say for
arguements sake a racist accidently sets fire to himself whilst trying to pour
petrol through someones letterbox - should we care (I realise that I may have
taken the comparison too far at this point)
Brian
London, UK - Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 11:39:08 (GMT)
oh
den, the abuse will come--just wait and see. i guess luther must be off on one
of his acts of kindness...
keri
ny, - Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 11:36:19 (GMT)
Carol:
"we are having group sex, but because it is very cold in California due to the
restructuring of California's utilities markets in order to benefit privately
owned companies and to further the interest of capitalist welfare pigs."****Move
to Sacramento, where its always warm and sunny (when its not socked-in by tule
fog) and the power rates are 25% cheaper due to SMUD****http://www.smud.org/****a
good website on a municple utility. Here in Dayton we are going to be privatized
too, and the local utility, DP&L, already has a bad rep for high rates (we say
DP&L stands for Dayton Plunder & Loot).
Jeff <dwellej@aol.com>
Dayton, OH, USA - Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 11:28:28 (GMT)
So,
does it not become our duty to rise above that and show that we take no pleasure
in the pain or suffering of any living being (Even if it is a member of a hunt
that, deep down, we'd like to see impaled on the biggest stake in the county)?
Den
- Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 11:19:19 (GMT)
Thats
what HE said!
10 CC
- Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 11:17:08 (GMT)
what
is the deal with the song 'Dreadlock Holiday'? I used to like the song when
I was a kid then I started listening to the lyrics and wondering - is it racist?
or have I completely mis-understood it
Brian
London, UK - Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 11:16:07 (GMT)
The
next line, of course, is "I love it, yeah!"
Den
- Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 11:15:50 (GMT)
Luther
is not a student (I made that mistake) he's...different! Fuck what d'ya expect
he lives in Utah. But he would (Torrent of abuse) correctly call you a Liberal.
Dickie
(N) B, UK - Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 11:11:10 (GMT)
We
don't like Cricket.
10 CC
- Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 11:07:18 (GMT)
Brian
- Thats okay then - I'd have done the same thing. Den - It is not anti-socialist
to laugh / enjoy the ruling class feeling a bit of pain. They DO IT TO US ALL
THE TIME! Backs to the walls you bankers!!
Dickie
(Not) Billericay, UK - Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 11:06:56 (GMT)
Sorry,
one more thing. Who's this 'Luther' bloke that everyone seems so worked up about?
Having read his recent postings, he just comes across as the average eternally
retarded 6th former who decided that, having no friends or life as such, would
construct himself a personality by adhering, loudly and persistently, to a radical
political standpoint that he half-understands (although resolutely refusing
to dare apply it, or himself, to the test of real life) as a convenient way
of avoiding confronting the immense complexities of trying to live a morally
and politically ethical life in society as it really exists. I await a torrent
of abuse.
Den <deniskerr@pinfold23.fsnet.co.uk>
- Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 11:06:43 (GMT)
Dickie:
Mark never pushed Nick - he spiked his beer with an E - took him up on the bridge
- and left him to fall - and this was only coz Nick gave Martin some dodgy pills
Brian
London, UK - Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 10:56:02 (GMT)
Pete
C: Nearly the last one for tonight - When I met Van I didn't know it was THE
Van Morrison. I thought that's what his mates called him because he was a fan
of Van. They were all called Kenny (Dalglish)
Dickie
(Not) Bollericay, UK - Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 10:55:37 (GMT)
Sorry
for setting off a short but bizarre debate on the parallels between foxhunting
and the exploitation of the working class. Had I been reading this forum for
longer, I might have been more reticent about posting the comment in the 1st
place. Just to clarify what I meant, as if anyone really cared, I was trying
to highlight the fact that, tempting as it may be, revelling in the physical
misfortunes of anyone does not further any cause or garner any support for that
cause. I despise bloodsports and those who take part in them, just as I despise
rampant and unfettered capitalism, but the gaining of pleasure or humour from
any serious human (or otherwise) misery or suffering is anti-socialist and ultimately
counter-productive. A sense of humour is obviously vital to any rounded human
being (God knows, I've spent long enough as a trade union activist to know that),
but the exploitation of human misery and pain should be left as a tool for the
right, not the left. It's their historical legacy after all. Incidentally, football
is one thing, but why does nobody mention cricket on here?
Den <deniskerr@pinfold23.fsnet.co.uk>
- Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 10:53:38 (GMT)
So
was it a boy or a girl?... I don't know what the world is coming to. I was told
in the pub tonight that Mark Fowler PUSHED Nick Cotten from the roof of the
laundrette. He used to be such a nice lad.
Dickie
(Not) Billericay, UK - Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 10:52:31 (GMT)
Joan
Armatrading never had the guts to come out as a Tory - she was accidentally
outed by Jeffrey Archer when he gave the media a list of celebrities who had
given money to the party
Brian
London, UK - Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 10:49:38 (GMT)
Dickie:
Here's the deal: Bob and I got married and are now in bed with Ted and Alice,
not because we are having group sex, but because it is very cold in California
due to the restructuring of California's utilities markets in order to benefit
privately owned companies and to further the interest of capitalist welfare
pigs. Adam Smith is too busy to join us. He is writing his masterpiece poem:
The grave's a fine and private place but none I think do there embrace. Itās
Californiaās version of This Life, which I can no longer watch on BBC America
because the electricity has been turned off to conserve our waning resources,
and rolling blackouts will cause massive corporate bankruptcy. I hope this clears
everything up.
Carol
- Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 10:40:39 (GMT)
Bob
- I'll quit when you wire me One Million Dollars (with pinky raised to mouth)!
Michael <ididnothavesexualrelations...@lies>
- Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 10:30:28 (GMT)
Well
I'm sorry and I've had too much to drink but colcannon with goats milk and extra
virgin olive oil?? I was fed this from infancy and it was just lard and the
top of the milk. I didn't know Joan Armatrading came out as a Tory, thats very
upsetting.
siobhan
- Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 10:29:20 (GMT)
I`ve
got the flu. I woke up this morning and felt like shit, which was quite unusual
as I usually feel like coco pops.
jeff
glasgow, - Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 10:19:31 (GMT)
Pete
C: Rare disagreement here...Van Morrison often used to drop into my old drinking
club (BRSA) @ Kings cross to hook up with his Celtic Mates (Green & white hoops)
I admit that at the time I was not aware of his God like status in certain quarters
- but I always found him ...rather nice. And not knowing about his immense wealth
was rather surprised at how well he stood his round. (He often appeared ...tramp
like!
Dickie
(Not) Billericay, UK - Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 09:37:46 (GMT)
Michael:
Quit while you're behind. Let it rest. Carol: You're right. As far as I can
think of right now, there are no truly free markets in this country. There are
different degrees of freedom, but that's the best I can tell you. However, in
most cases, and certainly in this one, it is what is done to "correct" the market
that is the problem, not the market itself. If the price is set at a level that
makes it unprofitable for a company to provide electricity, i.e., it loses money
on each unit of electricity it sells, why would anyone want to sell electricity
in California? Would you buy CDs for $10 and sell them to me for $5? As I said
earlier, government doesn't create electricty at a lower cost, they just force
others (non-Californian taxpayers) to pay for it. Sounds like a sweet deal if
you can get it. As for corporate welfare in the U.S., yes there's plenty of
that. And social welfare, too. I'd be in favor of getting rid of as much of
both as possible. And you?
Bob
USA - Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 09:28:25 (GMT)
Clark
Timmins : I agree with you about the ragged trousered philanthropists - the
end is rather weak and out of keeping with the rest of the book. I'd supposed
that Tressle was trying to give it a happier ending than was realistic so that
the book wouldn't end on a downer, he wanted to leave the reader feelin optimistic
about the subject - but the introduction of Barrington was a bit artless and
detracts from the books message. Glad you liked it.
jon D <joinedup@yahoo.co.uk>
- Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 09:28:07 (GMT)
Can
I just say that Van Morrison has always been a pretentious arsehole, as far
as I'm concerned, and while I knew nothing of his politics before this, it doesn't
come as a great surprise. Actually I was gutted years ago when Joan Armatrading
came out as a Thatcherite...
Pete Crook
- Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 09:24:38 (GMT)
Perhaps
I've had too much to drink - None of this is making any sense to me at all!!
Did Bob marry Carol and why is Adam Smith having an affair...
Dickie <Find
out next week on the next exciting edition of SOAP>
(Not) Billericay, UK - Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 09:24:38 (GMT)
And
one more question, very sorry Carol, will Bob's "anonymous friend" please come
forward and admit to the post at 05:04:40. Please help Bob with his cries of
"that post was not made by me" and "I do admit to all of my posts." I am begining
to think of all the things one can do with a million dollars."
Michael
- Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 09:03:18 (GMT)
Bob
and I understand each other, Michael. I can usually tell when he posts. However,
Bob, my major concern is "re-regulation" or "deregulation." Whatever happened
with electric power in California, it had nothing to do with public ownership
in California. Publicly owned companies are providing electric power and the
privately owned ones are having a great deal of difficulty. I would rather have
a publicly owned utility. I have yet to hear complaints of people whose utility
is owned by the people. Your definition of the free market eliminates almost
every business in this country. So, we are not a true capitalist country? We
are a country that practices corporate welfare? Can you name a true capitalist,
free market country?
Carol
- Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 08:54:35 (GMT)
Now
that wasn't so hard was it, Bob? Don't worry, I'll refrain from giving you a
homework assignment. Have a great weekend! And try to be yourself.
Michael <keepyourmillion@yourmonysnogoodhere>
- Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 08:35:03 (GMT)
Michael:
I posted under two names today. Adam Smith and Bob. If you haven't figured it
out yet, Bob is my real name. Adam Smith was an economist. There was also a
guy with a PBS show who "impersonated" Adam Smith. We are three different people,
Adam, "Adam," and I. I don't think anyone actually thought it was the real Adam
Smith posting since he's been dead for several hundred years. If you'll notice,
the next post is Carol saying, "Bob: Your article doesn't make sense." She knows
it was me because I'm the only one here that reads Reason Magazine. In my next
post, I answer her as "Bob." No denials. No "impersonations." A while later
someone else posts something without leaving a name. Carol thinks it's me. It
wasn't. I correct her. I assume she and everyone else accept that correction.
However, you are fixated on showing everyone that I "impersonate" people. Again,
let's go one by one. Adam Smith, yup that was me. "(G)reat logic there, Carol!"
Nope, not me. And not even an impersonation. No one has impersonated anyone.
Someone left an anonymous message. You insist it was me. It wasn't. You insist
you *know* that it was me. You don't. You are an idiot. And that wasn't me posting
as Sherlock. Apparently, it was just someone with a little common sense.
Bob
USA - Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 08:27:47 (GMT)
Let's
try multiple choice, Bob. Today alone, on the BB guestbook, you have impersonated
a.) no one, b.) one person, c.) two people, or d.) three people. Since you have
pledged to clear up the confusion after making false posts, perhaps, just for
kicks, you could answer this very simple question. Lastly, since you called
me a "fucking idiot" earlier, why would you suddenly change your tune and assume
that I'm "above" certain questioning? You inconsistent fool.
Michael
- Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 08:07:04 (GMT)
Bob
- You said "I do admit to [false posts] afterwards." So once again, how many
people did you impersonate today?
Michael
- Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 07:41:10 (GMT)
Carol,
I didn't read that post very closely, so I didn't really try to determine whether
you were joking or not. If you were joking, then I take back agreeing with our
anonymous friend. Now, I have to assume that someone has started impersonating
Michael because even though I disagree with him about pretty much everything,
I really did think that he is above the repeated childish accusations. I could
be wrong, though.
Bob
USA - Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 07:38:00 (GMT)
Bob,
that great logic remark was dumb because you damn well know I was joking. However,
you can't deny that white collar criminals get away with murder!
Carol
San Francisco, - Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 07:12:10 (GMT)
Michael:
You fucking idiot, get it through your skull that that post was not made by
me. I will say that I agree with it 100%, so why would I deny making it?? Give
it up. If you can't admit that you were wrong, at least let it go. It must be
nice to be so sure you know exactly what's going on.
Bob
USA - Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 07:02:56 (GMT)
Sherlock
meant: ...as he uses famous people's names.
Watson
- Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 06:49:18 (GMT)
Bob
- That "great logic" post was, in fact, you and you know it. It's a pretty insignificant
rant really, but since you have chosen to run away from it, it seems to have
become an issue. Please keep your "views" coming but your lies and distortion
to yourself.
Michael
- Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 06:49:12 (GMT)
well,
i can finally sit up this afternoon. i think i'm allergic to curry. ahhh, i
went out to dinner on wed. nite for a tasty indian meal... and i swear i haven't
ever been so sick. i thought i was gonna die. corrs beer... aren't they still
anti-union, anti-woman??? shit, if my beer doesn't travel and ocean i don't
drink it. and that goes for brooklyn brewery too. ick.
keri <mashed are the best>
- Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 06:46:26 (GMT)
Re:
Bob and using other names: When Bob is posting under another name it is real
obvious as used famous people's names.
Sherlock Holmes
- Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 06:44:02 (GMT)
Bourgeois
pansy? I only have 2 saucepans! I'm a cook whose ideas are born from necessity...or
pinched from Ready Steady Cook.
Jon
Bristol, UK - Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 06:23:28 (GMT)
But
I'm afraid mashed potato is definitely off the menu in my house - to much lumpy
mash as a kid in my state school dinners. I blame Margaret Thatcher.
Barmy Rob
- Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 06:23:01 (GMT)
Colcannon
Mash? yer bourgeois pansy ;-) I like big fat chips, preferably between two large
wedges of fluffy white bakers loaf with lashings of marg and the vital ingredient
HP sauce. That being said potatoes roasted in olive oil with roasted garlic,
and parsnip with a sprinkling of Rosemany and pepper is pretty good to.
Barmy Rob
- Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 06:15:55 (GMT)
For
a little while longer, find who wrote what at http://www.billybragg.co.uk/guestlog.html
Barbara <ireallyhavetogonowseeyouinthenewspot>
- Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 06:04:27 (GMT)
Mr.
Cheney, why so cryptic? Spit it out, if you have something to say.
Bob
USA - Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 06:02:33 (GMT)
I
don't want your money and you know which post.
Dick Cheney
- Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 06:01:40 (GMT)
But,
I do admit to them afterwards, don't I? I have never, ever, denied a post that
I've written. Ever. And if someone can find one, the million dollar offer still
stands.
Bob
USA - Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 06:01:29 (GMT)
But
I don't always use my own name.
Bob Lucier, Jr.
- Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 05:58:14 (GMT)
Michael:
I do admit to all of my posts. Please specify which ones I'm not admitting to.
If you can find one, I'll give you a million dollars right now. I'm not sure
if you've noticed, but I'm not exactly shy about expressing my views.
Bob
USA - Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 05:45:29 (GMT)
"Choose
not to buy whatever you want" by BOB has received a Grammy Nomination! It's
also been purchased as the new slogan for the Coors Brewing Company leading
to hundreds of thousands of individual boycotts the world over. Some say the
song was doomed to fame and failure due to the complex wording of the modern
dance hit's title.
Michael <findanothermistake@andadmittoyourposts>
- Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 05:38:56 (GMT)
why
is it idiocy?
Barbara
- Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 05:37:51 (GMT)
Michael:
You can "choose engage" in whatever you want. Don't let me deny you your idiocy.
Bob
- Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 05:35:05 (GMT)
Glad
to know that, Bob, because you have a good sense of humor and know when I'm
using hyperbole. Now let's see, who is the person who regularly posts on here
and who takes everything very literally. I can't guess. You know, even George
Bush has a sense of humor.
Carol
- Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 05:29:44 (GMT)
Bob
- During your Lyle Lovett, Van Morrison and Adolph Coors pep rally you said
"Choose not to buy whatever you want, but don't go crying when someone does
the same to your friends." What do you mean? Are you requiring Carol to listen
to Van Morrison and me to drink Coors if we later choose engage in free speech?
Michael <yourboycott@hasbeendenied>
- Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 05:25:47 (GMT)
Sports
isn't a product of the boss class. The multimedia frenzy that is televised sports
might be a byproduct, but young lads kicking a ball around a field, jumpers
for goal posts You know, Mmm? Ha! Secretly rolling the ball in dog's muck and
getting your friend to head it? Hmm? Enduring image, isn't it?
Ron Manager
- Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 05:23:05 (GMT)
Carol:
That "great logic" post wasn't me, if that's what you're hopeful about.
Bob
- Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 05:22:03 (GMT)
There's
hope for you yet, Bob. All fat white businessmen wearing dark suits and carrying
briefcases better not mess with my daughters, or this socialist Mom will get
'em That goes double if they're named Van. I forgot. Lyle is skinny with lots
of hair and wears weird suits. Hmmm. maybe there were two of them acting in
unison. Maybe Alicia just didn't see the skinny one.
Carol
- Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 05:19:25 (GMT)
Funny
about this whole sports debate. Luther claims that it's a product of the "boss"
class, or created as some means to pacify the working class. But, in fact, sports
is the one thing that brings people together. I've been in many places where
suits and delivery guys have suddenly broken into conversation over a game on
the radio, or in hearing a score. And in Wrigley Field in Chicago, the guys
in the $30 seats go to the bathroom right next to the guys in the cheap seats.
(It's rather disgusting, actually, but that's another topic). My point is that
sports is something that everyone can enjoy, regardless of class, and in the
long-run it gives people a common ground.
Mike <verycurioustoknowwhodies@swell>
- Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 05:14:12 (GMT)
Not
if you heat it over a gentle heat for half of whatever it takes the taters to
cook.
Jon
Bristol, UK - Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 05:13:39 (GMT)
I
like to toss in a roasted turnip or a roasted parsnip if I have one. Jon sounds
good, but you boil the goat milk? Won't it curdle? (I never cooked with GM before
so I don't know)
Barbara <iwouldstayhomeandcookalldayificould>
- Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 05:08:25 (GMT)
Sounds
like Dick Cheney
Barbara
- Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 05:06:26 (GMT)
Colcannon
Mash, if you've not tried it, is the only way to do mash. Cook the spuds, and
meanwhile roast some garlic and onions in extra virgin olive oil amd butter
so you have a nice buttery liquid that reeks of garlic and onions. While thats
going on, cut up and boil some cabbage leaves in strips, and boil 1/4 of goats
milk. Drain the boiled potatoes and add the boiled cabbage. Add the milk to
the buttery mix, and add that to the potatoes and cabbage, then mash it up.
Jon
Bristol, UK - Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 05:06:18 (GMT)
Conclusion:
All blue-collar, non-white workers are sweet, innocent angels, while all fat
white men who carry briefcases are pure evil.
great logic there, Carol!
- Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 05:04:40 (GMT)
Barbara,
yes it was deliberate!
Carol
- Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 05:04:01 (GMT)
Typo
alert: taht was supposed to be balding. So here is the descrion: San Francisco
balding white man in his 40's wearing a dark suit and carrying a briefcase and
umbrella. This crime (hitting my lovely daughter with a briefcase and causing
her extreme pain) happend at 8:30 a.m. on Sansome Street, near Market street.
Know anyone who fits this description. Van Morrison perhaps?
Carol
- Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 05:02:13 (GMT)
Carol,
you mean he deliberately hit her with his brief case? People can be such assholes.
I hope she is better soon.
Barbara <goodthingeverybodyisntlikethat>
- Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 05:01:14 (GMT)
Bob,
I'm not sure which part of theCalifornia utility crisis you don't understand--publicly
owned utilities are providing affordable and efficent power, privately owned
utilities are not. On another note: I just spoke to my daughter who has a blue
collar job at a private company: She was rushing to work and ran in front of
a fat guy in a suit and carrying a brief case. She was on foot and so was he.
He hit her calf with his brief case so hard that her calf went into a sudden
muscle spasm and she fell down in front of him. He stepped over her and went
on his way. Her coworkers came to her rescue and carried her into the office
where she works. She had to go home because she couldn't stand up. She says
blue collar, nonwhite workers have never struck her. That was three hours ago.
She can't stand. She is in agony. Her husband is going to draw a picture of
him and post the creep's crime all over the business district. Sidewalk rage.
Never trust a fat, balsing white man around 40 carrying a briefcase. There--his
discription is now posted on the internet.
Carol
San Francisco, - Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 04:58:26 (GMT)
.
.
- Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 04:45:48 (GMT)
.
.
- Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 04:44:48 (GMT)
Carol:
I'm not sure which part you are having trouble understanding. The California
power industry was not deregulated. It was "restructured," in other words, regulated
in a different way. I don't care whose idea it was, businessmen's or politicians',
or both, it's just a horrible idea. I'm not familiar with what it was like before.
Maybe it was better. But get the idea out of your head that it was in any way
"deregulated" and is now a "free market." It wasn't and it's not.
Bob
USA - Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 04:37:21 (GMT)
The
law that deregulated California power was done because oil companies and other
corporations lobbied the Calif. legislature. It wasn't done for the benefit
of the consumer, no matter where h/she lives. My gas and light bill is actually
quite low because I live in one room (I'm so rich). I also conserve electricity
and wear lots of sweaters. But in reality, deregulation has never worked for
the consumer. Publicly owned transit and publicly owned utilities are a better
deal for the consumer. People in Oregon aren't complaining about how their publicly
owned utilities are run. Do you deny that taxes aren't passed onto the consumer?
Do you deny that deregulation of AT&T just increased my telephone bills which
I can't even figure out anymore because they are so endless?
Carol
- Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 04:24:59 (GMT)
Jessica
try some coarse ground mustard with the roasted garlic and carmelized onions
in the potatoes. I also mash them with the skins still on (using Yukon Gold
potatoes of course) I must go cook some food right now!
Barbara <thisismakingmehungry>
dontstartmeonfood, toolate! - Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 04:15:01 (GMT)
Roasted
garlic goes nicely in the mash, as do carmelized onions. A great choice at nice
restaurants. But a heap of plain, homemade mashed potatoes are like someone
giving you a hug. A fattening hug.
Jessica Jolly
- Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 04:12:54 (GMT)
Bob
a doesn't a free market maniac like yourself want to pick and choose where your
precious commodity goes? I don't like spending money on people or things that
hurt me as a worker - is that bad? I don't drink Coors because after a lot of
reading on the subject, I concluded that the Coors family spend the money I
would send them to help keep the upper classes on the top (for instance the
founding of the ultra-right wing wackos the Heritage Foundation not to mention
their tireless union busting and their funding of the murderers in Nicaragua)
Don't buy Rage against the Machine or Billy Bragg for that matter if you don't
like what they do with your money.
Barbara <butyourejustpickingafightanywayarentyou?>
howereyourholidays?, - Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 04:11:53 (GMT)
Carol:
The article says: "Leftists such as Scheer point out that the public utilities
in California?Los Angeles, Sacramento, and Pasadena provide examples?charge
customers less for electricity. He's right, but they are only able to do so
because they don?t pay any taxes, get federal subsidies in the form of tax-exempt
debt, and are eligible for sweetheart power deals on cheap federal hydropower
from the Northwest (whose full cost is foisted onto taxpayers in other parts
of the country)." Now, let's be clear, the government operations are not making
electricity less expensively. They are getting the money from the federal government
(i.e. taxpayers in less expensive parts of the country) which allows them to
charge you less money. That's a bargain for you, but no thanks. I'd rather not
subsidize the rich people of California, so you can sit on the internet and
complain about the evils of imaginary free market deregulation.
Bob
USA - Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 04:11:13 (GMT)
Bob:
A boycott is a consumer choice. A blacklist is entirely different. It is done
by a group of employers to deny consumers a choice. Surely you are for choice.
A person should be able to get a job no matter what their political opinions.
Just because you are in denial over the fact that Bush actually lost an election
doesn't mean you have to deny my right to trash my own records and CDs. And
as for Lyle, all I can say is, I would have divorced him, too. I can't imagine
Benjamin Bratt escorting Julia Roberts to the inaugeration.
Carol
- Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 04:09:24 (GMT)
Michael,
Carol: Boycott, blackball, choose not to buy whatever you want, but don't go
crying when someone does the same to your friends. I really don't think Van
is hurting for money and the fact that Carol doesn't listen to her old records
won't register in his bank account. Go Lyle! Go Van! Go Adolph Coors!
Bob
USA - Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 03:59:18 (GMT)
Sorry
Barbara, do you mean roasted garlic in the mash, or in your appley baked dish?
chris <duckyfuzz@hotmail.com>
london, england - Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 03:53:00 (GMT)
As
long as there is roasted garlic in 'em.
Barbara
- Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 03:50:23 (GMT)
AAAAAAGH.
Now I find out Lyle Lovett is playing too. I guess, Texan to Texan (by way of
Maine) but still. AAAAAAGH.
Barbara <thisisalltoopainful>
- Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 03:50:00 (GMT)
Jessica:
Please see my post at 14:29:02 on Friday, January 12, 2001.
Luther Gaylord
- Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 03:49:14 (GMT)
Mashed
potatoes. That is the only state potatoes are meant to be in.
Jessica
- Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 03:48:46 (GMT)
Luther,
you desperately need to change your approach. How can you not see that? Do you
think Ghandi defeated the British Empire by saying to his people "We must rid
ourselves of the enemy by using peaceful non co-operation. And if you don't
agree with that, then you are a bunch of STUPID indians"? Do you think he verbally
ATTACKED the people who agreed with his ideologies, but not with his approach?
I'm sure you're not out to follow the methods of Ghandi, 'peaceful' is certainly
not what your after. But I use him as an example because he was successful.
You are not.
Jessica Jolly
- Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 03:46:26 (GMT)
Adam
- Are you the guy who decides what others choose to boycott? You must be very
busy. Could you please validate my Coors boycott for me?
Michael
- Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 03:45:47 (GMT)
Yes
Chris. Thinly sliced potatoes, onions and apples baked with cheese.
Barbara <needtobuycheese!>
- Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 03:45:37 (GMT)
Carol
I used to hang with people who listened to Van non stop - with the exception
of a very few songs I never liked him - made me want to scream in fact - so
I won't miss him a single bit. But it is inexplicable isn't it?
Barbara
- Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 03:44:18 (GMT)
Aah,
but you are all giving me so much pleasure. Do you have a favourite potato dish
Barbara?
chris <duckyfuzz@hotmail.com>
london, england - Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 03:43:55 (GMT)
Chris,
unfortunately you have stepped in the middle of a long standing battle - we
have waged this on the BB list and it keeps popping up here. I defend Barmy
- he has his reasons to be so vehement. But I agree it's time to change the
record.
Barbara <ifallforitallthetimetoosoimnotcriticizingrob>
- Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 03:42:29 (GMT)
Bob:
Your article doesn't make sense. I am talking about California, not the Pacific
Northwest--Oregon power companies are charging California power companies tons
of money for power. The taxes my private utility company pays for are in actuality
paid by me. So a publicly owned utility is cheaper because it doesn't pay taxes?
Good. Let's go for it. Also, you have blacklisting mixed up with boycotting.
There is nothing wrong with boycotting an artist for his politics. That is my
free market choice. I'm no longer moondancing. So sue me. You'd lose.
Carol
- Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 03:40:41 (GMT)
Carol,
Deregulation, my ass: http://reason.com/ml/ml010401.html Hmmmm, boycott Van
Morrison!? I thought you were against blackballing people on the basis of politics.
I guess you only don't like that kind of thing when the one getting blackballed
agrees with you.
Adam Smith <browned-eyedboy@blueballs.com>
Linda Chavez's guestroom, North of Mexico - Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 03:30:09
(GMT)
http://www.uwec.edu/Academic/Curric/halecl/tressell.html
the Robert Tressell home page
- Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 03:13:11 (GMT)
.
.
- Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 03:05:09 (GMT)
California
deregulated its power (gas & lights) a couple of years ago. We were all supposed
to share in the glories of the free market--new businesses would be created
to provide the consumer with a choice of utility companies, which would create
lower rates. Well, this hasn't happened. Instead, the major power company closed
down some of its plants and now we don't have enough electricity to serve the
public. We are now at a stage 3 crisis, which means that we could have "rolling"
blackouts--in other words, gas and lights would be deliberately shut off in
certain neighborhoods to conserve energy. I am working in the half-light and
my office is quite cold--at home I don't turn up the electric heater and instead
huddle under my down comforter. I am only using one electric light and it has
a 75-watt bulb in it. I still watch TV and use my computer because it is the
heat producing appliances that uses the most electricity--heaters and lamps
(light is produced through heat). Capitalism may give us cheaper computers,
CD players and TVs, but it can't provide services. Trains don't run in the UK,
we are sitting in the dark in California, and worst of all, the US health system
is being rationed by for-profit insurance companies. When discussing capitalism
with people, point out its failures, which are rampant. Start with the small
stuff that effect people's day-to-day lives and then go on from there. Bombarding
people with rhetoric just turns them off. You know, Steve, in the US all the
goodies that capitalism provides the populace are purchased via credit. We are
all drowning in consumer debt. One of these days it will all collapse, and not
only will we be sitting in the dark, we will be living in terrible poverty.
Maybe those fake monkeys and those robots will come to our rescue. I think I'll
go home and watch my video of Bladerunner tonight. PS. Van Morrison sucks and
I will never listen to him again.
Carol <ctarlen@att.net>
San Francisco, - Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 02:56:05 (GMT)
I
just finished Tressel's "The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists" and my main "problem"
with the text as philosophy is that Tressel feels the need to resort to a "deux
ex machina" type ending. In other words, Barrington comes along with the money
and authority of the upper class. Thankfully he turns out to be a "good guy",
which opinion Tressel reinforces by making Barrington one of the workers, etc.
But in the end, the only solution to the problems that Tressel is able to provide
is for Barrington (i.e, the "upper class") to realize how terrible things are
and to vow to make it different. Well, nothing changes in the book, except that
after his big send-off, Barrington is gone. I object. I don't think Barrington
would ever return. Sure, sure, he's got good intentions as he boards the train,
but when he gets back to daddy's comfortable house with food, etc., he'll change
his views. Also, how is Barrington *really* supposed to understand the working
class when he obviously wasn't very skint muso throughout--he had everything
he needed, wasn't afraid of getting the sack, had his rent paid on up, etc.,
etc., etc., so even if he was slumming it, he was still one of the upper classes.
Didn't like it one bit. Awesome book, though!
Clark Timmins <influenzae@excite.com>
Salt Lake City, USA - Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 02:02:11 (GMT)
best
way of cooking totties is roast and best tottie based meal is tottie scones
yum
Jennifer
Uxbridge, - Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 01:13:07 (GMT)
best
way of cooking totties is roast and best tottie based meal is tottie scones
yum
Jennifer
Uxbridge, - Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 01:11:11 (GMT)
Mermaid
Ave 2 has received a Grammy Nomination!
Dyl
- Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 00:57:16 (GMT)
Marshal
Mathers, so that's where you're hiding yourself. I've changed my mind about
killing myself. One problem though, I can't open my car door and the water has
started to pour in. Helpppppp...glug, glug, glug !
Stan
- Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 00:55:49 (GMT)
What
will you do when the war is over, tender Luther? Will you watch or play football?
Michael <Iwouldonlygivemylifeforlove>
- Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 00:39:59 (GMT)
You
have all just had a preview of my next record. Hope you enjoyed it. Peace,
Eminem
Detroit, - Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 00:18:39 (GMT)
Well,
well, well. I appear to be the devil incarnate. Poor, sad Rob Lang.
Luther Gaylord
- Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 00:06:44 (GMT)
Too
right Pete C! BARMY: I didn't know any of that stuff before but in telling me,
even if every word is true, you've debased yourself. I wasn't 'falling for'
anything (ooh patronising), I was enjoying the debate. Chips? fat ones or fries-type?
chris <duckyfuzz@hotmail.com>
london, england - Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 00:02:30 (GMT)
Chips
and er Chips
Barmy
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 23:49:33 (GMT)
Luther,
you are also a condescending wanker. Sorry Chris, but you obviously haven't
known Luther as long as I have - he is an obnoxious, abusive, arrogant, violent
thug. He has threatened people with violence and law suits, he has email-bombed
people, and attempted to implicate others in his email bombing activities, he
spreads rumour, gossip and innuendo in an underhand manner, posts private emails
in the public domain, uses many online pseudonyms which he has used to create
emailing lists and dupes people into joining them to fulfill his own personal
vendettas. In other words Luther is not a nice person; indeed he has just admitted
he would happily murder people to ensure his own blinkered vision of society
could be created and maintained. Please don't fall for him playing the victim,
or the reasonable person - he is neither.
Barmy Rob <I'm off now - bye>
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 23:48:19 (GMT)
Before
this gets out of hand... I think the point Luther is making is that, in the
course of a violent revolutionary struggle, it is appropriate to attempt to
kill, if necessary, the enemies who are standing in the way of the working class.
Whether or not I have correctly summarised Lutherās position, that is my standpoint.
Weāre not talking pogroms, ćterrorismä, executions, assassinations, show trials
etc. And please, can we just do away with the personal abuse ? It adds nothing
to the (valid) debate, and just devalues the argument of anyone who uses it.
And this isnāt meant to be a cop-out, but Iām in the proverbial meeting for
the next couple of hours, so canāt contribute more here for a while.
Pete Crook <petecrook@bigfoot.com>
London, England - Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 23:44:51 (GMT)
BARMY:
What's your favourite method of cooking potatoes and which potato-based meal
do you most enjoy?
chris <duckyfuzz@hotmail.com>
london, england - Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 23:43:22 (GMT)
twat
n. Taboo sl. 1. the female genitals 2. a foolish person. The New Collins Concise
Dictionary of the English Language. Anyhow I'll elaborate you are not just a
twat you are also a prick.
Barmy Rob
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 23:39:19 (GMT)
Because,
Rob, I decided long ago that trying to discuss anything with you in a civil,
rational manner is a waste of my time. You and I fundamentally disagree. That's
fine. But because you're not very smart, and because you vehemently disagree
with my worldview, you get all "het up" and start abusing me -- calling me insulting,
obscene names. So why should I answer any of your questions?
Luther Gaylord
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 23:34:55 (GMT)
Barmy,
I have problems with Luther when he gets really rude to people. But you've just
called him all sorts of shitty names from out of nowhere, even though he was
relatively calm and focused about his opinion, expressing it without slagging
anyone off. Get yourself together mate and argue like an adult because you're
sounding like a gibbon.
chris <duckyfuzz@hotmail.com>
london, england - Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 23:34:49 (GMT)
I'LL
TRY AGAIN..... But why don't you EVER answer any fucking questions. Who lives
- who dies? Oh and why haven't you responded to MY observations on nibbling
round the edges posted on Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 06:22:42.
Barmy the fucking Liberal
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 23:30:46 (GMT)
twat
n. obscene (1) The vulva. (2) Used as a disparaging term for a woman. http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=twat
Luther Gaylord
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 23:29:38 (GMT)
But
why don't you every answer any fucking questions. Who lives - who dies? Oh and
why haven't you responded to me observations on nibbling round the edges posted
on Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 06:22:42.
Barmy Rob <I know
that its Saturday tomorrow....but>
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 23:29:19 (GMT)
There
is no question that you're a liberal, Rob. Now go about your business.
Luther Gaylord
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 23:25:35 (GMT)
Dyl.
I will join your counter-revolution - what would be the point of having socialism
if you couldn't enjoy yourself. Right now I wish I could remeber the famous
bill Shankly quote about football being like socialism....
Barmy Rob
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 23:23:22 (GMT)
Rob
Lang: Sod off, you fucking liberal.
Luther Gaylord
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 23:22:35 (GMT)
In
other words: In order to take down capitalism, I believe that the working class
must organize industrially, at the point of production. Prerequisites to that
are (1) educating workers about their class interests and (2) convincing them
that we should collectively bury this unjust, exploitative system. When the
vast majority of workers are on board with that plan, there is no doubt in my
mind that we'll be met with violence by the boss class, and I am prepared to
respond with violence of my own. But for me to go out tomorrow and shoot someone
like Bill Gates in the head accomplishes nothing. My task, at the present time,
is to persuade workers that they should oppose capitalism.
Luther Gaylord
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 23:20:29 (GMT)
No,
Luther - you are so very, very wrong. You are a violent (nay murderous) arsehole.
But I am glad that you have shown your true colours, the total prick that you
are. So come the revolution, who exactly will be killed - all the bosses, their
families, collaborators. Will you bother to give them a hearing first or will
you just send in the boot boys.. You know there si a book by Alan Bullock called
Hitler & Stalin, which draws parallels between the two; effectively labelling
them both fascists. well Luther I see little difference between you and those
nasty little jack-booted neo-nazi thugs. Fascist twat.
Barmy Rob
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 23:18:37 (GMT)
Luther:
yes.
chris <duckyfuzz@hotmail.com>
london, england - Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 23:18:12 (GMT)
Sorry
Pam, I was aware of the term 'Bread and Roses', but I don't really have anything
of interest to say on that matter. (I know, it's never stopped me before).
Dyl
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 23:13:53 (GMT)
Luther,
are you saying that football in the UK is a tool used by 'the system' to distract
the masses whilst making the club owners rich? I still don't agree, largely
with the latter point. We have 92 League clubs in England, the vast majority
of which never make any money and the club Directors fund them as a personal
interest. The club I follow for example has never paid more than 150k for a
player, for the simple reason that we are a community club with no sugardaddy.
But if I came into a large sum of money I would definitely put some into the
club, and I would certainly not be acting at the state's behest. But ok for
the sake of arguement, say that I agree with you - if we do away with sports,
do we do away with eveything else that gets in the way of political activism?
That won't prove that people are interested in politics it will just prove that
they have no choice. At least it would solve your question of ho to motivate
the sheep. So once the revolution has occurred, do we have to live in a society
where the only entertainment is in the form of political debate. I think I'd
be at the forefront of the peoples' revolution against such a system.
Dyl
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 23:10:58 (GMT)
Because
at this point in time, I don't believe that any such individual action on my
part would contribute significantly to the downfall of capitalism. That was
your original question, wasn't it?
Luther Gaylord
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 23:09:56 (GMT)
Why
haven't you then?
chris <duckyfuzz@hotmail.com>
london, england - Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 23:05:01 (GMT)
That
was (of course) a flippant answer to your question, Chris. My real answer is
that the boss class does kill to protect its interests -- all the time. They
poison workers, they subject them to dangerous working conditions, they dump
the by-products of their industries in poor neighborhoods -- the list goes on.
And, when it comes down to it, both the capitalist class and the governments
it controls gun people down in the streets. It is that objective reality which
makes me willing to kill to end this filthy, rotten system.
Luther Gaylord
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 23:02:27 (GMT)
No.
Because they're wrong.
Luther Gaylord
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 22:55:28 (GMT)
So
presumably, you would understand when someone with opposing views to yours,
yet with similar passion, sincerity and commitment, kills in the name of their
ideology?
chris <duckyfuzz@hotmail.com>
london, england - Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 22:53:05 (GMT)
Yes
I would.
Luther Gaylord
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 22:34:47 (GMT)
Bragg
Office, I think the forum disruption is probably a good thing, since people
here maybe need some time to chillout. We cannot keep debates civil, it's like
'discussion time' at school. Luther, out of interest, would you kill someone
if you thought their death would contribute significantly to the overthrow of
Capitalism?
chris <duckyfuzz@hotmail.com>
london, england - Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 22:32:23 (GMT)
Are
public sector bosses any different/better than those others have spoken about?
Over the past 8 months a co-worker has been suffering from cancer and died earlier
this week. During all this time, the senior staff have done things like devise
a meal roster and taken food to her home every day, made sure (even to the extent
of giving "underlings" time off during working hours) that she has had a visitor
each day she has had hospital stints, taken her on family outings etc during
her healthier times. All attended her funeral and any other staff who wanted
to go were given paid time off from work. These people are at the top of their
profession in the legal field. I think it showed great kindness and compassion.
Iām glad I work with people like this (one of the reasons I think Iāve always
worked for the government).
Amanda
Melbourne, Aust - Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 22:31:02 (GMT)
Dyl:
You don't think that football qualifies as "entertainment provided to the masses
by the ruling class which serves to pacify them"? I think that's a perfect description
of all professional sports. The average working-class person here in Amerika
cares much more about her/his sports team than s/he does politics or activism.
S/he buys the team's merchandise and carefully watches its progress through
the season. S/he argues passionately with friends and co-workers for hours on
end about the relative merits of teams X, Y, and Z. And in the end, none of
it fucking matters. It's a pointless pursuit which serves to make a few people
even richer while distracting the masses from their misery and sapping their
energy to change their conditions. The bosses couldn't ask for a better pacifier.
"Praise be to God" the capitalist class whispers, "the fools are still watching
football!"
Luther Gaylord
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 22:10:37 (GMT)
Dyl,
my reference was not just to the bread and circuses that Luther mentioned. "Bread
and roses" was a rallying cry of the women.
Pam
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 21:58:14 (GMT)
Is
it because (as Steve Hossack contends) you are relatively safe, content, and
secure? Is that the answer?
Luther Gaylord
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 21:57:13 (GMT)
Barbara:
If you really do hate your bosses, why are you unable to extrapolate from your
work experiences to hate *all* bosses, and capitalism in general? Why can't
you take that next logical step? Why are you so fucking myopic?
Luther Gaylord
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 21:56:00 (GMT)
I'm
not bothering with getting the web hosts to change the date and times, the date
and times. That's cos we're switching to a new hosting company, hosting company.
This afternoon, I hope, if I can co-ordinate all the parties concerned. That,
I'm afraid, is going to mean some more disruption over the next few days as
ISPs update to the new name server details. I also haven't had a chance to check
the guestbook script on the new server - so if you can't post for a while, don't
freak out (man), it'll get sorted.
Bragg Office <Hooked
on this saying things twice idea...>
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 21:49:42 (GMT)
Football,
Bread and Circuses according to Luther. Not really. In ancient Rome the Circuses
provided entertainment that the citizens enjoyed and it had a pacifying effect.
Apart from Man United, I don't know of any team that has that effect. When my
team lose my weekend is spoiled, but at its best attending a football match
gives you a sense of comradeship that I haven't found anywhere else (not even
amongst socialists). Sports ability to break barriers down must give it some
value Luther?
Dyl
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 21:46:28 (GMT)
The
Tories may be lacking in front bench heavy weights and be unable to deliver
the KO punch to Labour but·If what I've just seen on the news is true and Frank
Bruno does stand for them in Brentwood. - Won't he just be another pantomime
clown on their benches in Parliament?
Dickie <For
the Americans - Frank Bruno was the english boxer Tyson regularly beat up>
(Not) Billericay, UK - Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 21:36:56 (GMT)
Why
does 'The Sun' still do it? Splashed across today's front page : "NHS HIRES
AFRICAN NURSES WITH HIV" ! - God, I f**king hate that rag !
Theo
London, - Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 20:43:10 (GMT)
Bread
and roses, Tettland. Look it up.
Pam
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 20:28:24 (GMT)
Afraid
I dont agree with tettland that people are pursuaded by rational argument...
that's why papers like the mail have such an easy time whipping up sentiment
against refugees with sly insinuation and a crafty slant of the facts. seems
to me that manipulating sentiment is much more effective than rational argument
[unfortunatly]
Jon D
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 20:19:57 (GMT)
Nice
one Miss Steve Marple :) Carsten, I'd rather we wore Cliftonvilles colours,
however, we actually wear Nottm Forest's. When The Arse first started out, they
were 'poorer than a church mouse' (origin of quote unknown, sorry) and they
received a set of Forest's hand-me-downs (ironic that these days anyone of our
squad could afford to buy Nottingham itself). We've worn red ever since. True
and very, very dull story. Sorry again !
Theo <London>
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 19:54:04 (GMT)
The
dates and times, Toby? The dates and times...
Tettland
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 19:08:41 (GMT)
Steve:
one of my favourite Billy lines is "The polaroids that hold us together/will
surely fade away/ like the love that we spoke of forever/on St Swithuns Day".
Tettland
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 19:01:58 (GMT)
Yesterday
I wrote "Luther: "Overthrowing capitalism" just sounds too abstract to most
people and for quite sound reasons. How do you overthrow a system that powerful,
and with all the military might it can muster against us? Isn't history littered
with thousands of dead revolutionaries? I'm not claiming it's impossible or
even undesirable (I would deign to call myself a socialist, after all), merely
that I think people are persuaded by rational and practical arguments. The latter
aspect are somewhat lacking in the catch-all "overthrowing capitalism"." I'm
still waiting for LUTHER to address the points that I made. And there is no
"meaningless shite about football" for you to deal with. Though how that makes
people "sheep" I'm at a loss to understand.
Tettland
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 19:00:14 (GMT)
Van
Morrison is going to perform at the inaugural gala for Dubya. I ALWAYS did hate
Van Morrison.
Barbara <unbefuckinglievable@disbelief>
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 18:16:48 (GMT)
My
fave Billy Line is this, "when one voice rules a nation,just because they're
top of the pile, doesnt mean their vision is the clearest"...OR "if I share
my bed with you must I also share my life"
steve <12packboy in the pool>
cmon in geoff the water is lovely, - Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 18:12:00
(GMT)
Chris,
I've been at work and couldn't respond to your reaction to my story. A compelling
question to my story is why management did nothing except transfer the evil
boss. Can you imagine resenting someone so much you'd step over them when they
fell down? Do you think that is common behavior? People have to be in a pretty
bad way to let something like that happen. And management doesn't have the simple
wit to say, "gee, this guy is so hated they were willing to let him die, maybe
there is a problem". No, they foist him on other innocent workers. I admitted
in my sig that I would probably have helped him (although I wouldn't test it
if you know what I mean). It's out of the pale behavior and that bears examination.
Barbara <trustmewhenitellyouihatemybosses>
butidontthinkicouldjustwatchthemdie, wellmaybecurleyandridder - Saturday, January
13, 2001 at 18:07:43 (GMT)
Luther
I have answered your silly twatting question many times, now read my lips boyo
its not that difficult, people generally do not want to overthrow this system
BECAUSE, they are relatively CONTENT and SAFE and SECURE, the majority with
families, jobs and commitments etc to even desire your question, there, isnt
that easy for you, its like discussing with a born again cretin...
steve <thick mackem
bastard with a six pack>
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 18:03:46 (GMT)
Rev
Luther, this is a simple question, could you answer it, you stated that people
talk shite on here because they talk about football(soccer), could you please
tell me what recreational subjects people would talk about in your socialist
utopian society that wouldnt be termed 'shite' by you.
steve <soon over babaluma>
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 17:58:46 (GMT)
Billy
has written into his songs some great one liners. In this age of brevity I think
this skill is underrated. What is the best? I vote for "Most important decisions
in life are made between two people in bed." But then, I'm not in bed.
J. Reiland
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 17:12:39 (GMT)
Most
bosses are jerks. Thats' why they are bosses. They get "their" people to do
stuff by cracking the whip ("theory x") or manipulating them ("theory y")while
kissing up to and getting a hassle from their own bosses. Why do they do it?
Power? Ego? Money?. I never had any ambition whatsover to be in "management"
and have very little respect for people who are in supervision.
Jeff <dwellej@aol.com>
Dayton, OH, USA - Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 13:49:04 (GMT)
I
was wondering, what with all this talk about soccer, what ever happened to cricket
as the English game. We almost never here of it here on the BBgb; does it have
any big fan base the way soccer does?
Jeff <dwellej@aol.com>
Dayton, OH, USA - Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 13:40:47 (GMT)
siobhan:
Congratulate Steve for me. And give Jack and Ruby hugs. Tell Ruby that her name
is also the name of my great aunt--we have something in common. I was looking
at the photos we took of your estate house and back yard the other day. You
and Steve have a lovely family.
carol
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 11:45:40 (GMT)
my
Steve got a job today, hooray, hooray. We still haven't received any benefits
although we signed on well over a month ago. I normally feel slightly guilty
about two thirds of my wages being cash in hand but we honestly couldn't have
managed, without getting seriously in debt without it over the last couple of
months. Also my exams finished today.
siobhan <Lifes not
that bad @ easily satisfied>
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 11:26:58 (GMT)
I
am not a Unitarian, so that part of what Luther says is not sound. People are
not sheep or stupid because they don't march in Luther's line--that part is
not sound, either.
Carol
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 10:06:56 (GMT)
It's
probably just you - Most of what Luther says is fairly sound - where he falls
down for me is in the presentation - J Stalin was a butcher!My son has finally
fallen asleep so I'm off to bed!! Only 6 hours until I have to get up again.
Dickie
(Not) Billericay, UK - Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 09:36:57 (GMT)
Is
it just me, or does anyone reading the guestbook after a few days get the distinct
impression that if Luther Gaylord somehow became the ruler of a Country we'd
have another Joseph Stalin on our hands? I don't understand how someone can
be so bitter and angry at the very people he's supposedly trying to help. Baffling.
mike <letscountoneonefinger@thepeopleidon'tmiss>
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 09:27:42 (GMT)
Barmy
- Where you watching tv through my eyes tonight?
D
(N) B, - Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 09:27:40 (GMT)
THIS
IS NOT A SERIOUS QUESTION - Should I suggest looking up Luther?
Dickie
(Not) Billericay, UK - Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 09:25:31 (GMT)
Hello
Theo - nice to know you are still watching over us!
NOT Steve Hossack ;)
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 09:24:06 (GMT)
THANK
YOU - This guest book never ceases to amaze me!
Dickie
(Not) Billericay, UK - Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 09:18:43 (GMT)
And
Carl, in case you're wondering, your last name is S-A-G-A-N.
Spell Checquer
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 09:14:08 (GMT)
Oh
and Carl, assume you must have come through a wormhole too - did you not die
then in 96, just slipped through to a future reality?????
Barmy
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 09:10:57 (GMT)
Carl.
the weather is a bit windy - the windows are rattling too. Real hollywood time
travel kind of weather :) Actually I'm a bit spooked by the 10 minute short
I've just watched on the creation of the solar system - cosmological time is
just too much for my brain to take - it freaks me out!!!! Talking of which did
anyone else catch that great (French) time travel movie Les Visiteurs the other
night????
Barmy Rob
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 09:08:59 (GMT)
How
is/was the weather in the worm hole, Barmey?
Carl Sagen
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 09:01:45 (GMT)
http://uk.weather.yahoo.com/6668/index_c.html
.
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 08:48:30 (GMT)
http://weather.yahoo.com/forecast/Salt_Lake_City_UT_US_f.html
Brigham Young
SLC, UT, USA - Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 08:45:55 (GMT)
THIS
IS A SERIOUS QUESTION -What is the weather like in Utah at the moment - Where
can I get a local (for Utah) weather update?
Dickie
(Not) Billericay, UK - Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 08:43:20 (GMT)
Okay
- have I fallen into a worm hole and come out two days later..... Given that
I have just heard a story on the news about a GM monkey being created, maybe
I have fallen into an alternate universe.... scary, think I'm gonna head for
the hills!!!!
Barmy Rob
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 08:18:49 (GMT)
a
has-been sell-out scum-bag. In the words of Mark Thomas "Next stop a Saudi Arabian
beheading festival"
Barmy Rob
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 08:12:05 (GMT)
As
an addendum to my lil tale, I've been a first aider at work for about 5 years,
and never had anything more serious that a bee sting, which ironically was on
a jackass that had recently fired me from a position he had no managerial responsibility
to fire me from, as I was on loan from a different department, but as he was
a sucky-up sort of person, it stuck and I was back to my old (worse) job. I
treated him (medically) as I was trained to, although I think the detol could
have been diluted, and went back to my chores. He was around for a further 2
years, and tried to block every promotion I ever went for and succeeded for
18 months. Sometimes a person never changes.
Jon
Bristol, UK - Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 08:08:43 (GMT)
so
is Ben Elton a talented lyricist who is just trying to spread his message of
peace and compassion or a has-been sell-out scum-bag?
Brian
London, UK - Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 08:02:04 (GMT)
compassion
has to be the greatest family value
nevski
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 07:50:01 (GMT)
Chris,
in hindsight I'd have to agree with you, but as it happened he was an evil little
prick who had a: no people skills, b: no positional skills, c: no interest in
our department as he couldn't and wouldn't do our jobs (even though it was only
postal & stores work), d: no interest in us as people, e: a professional tosser.
But hindsight has the benefit of offering you better judgement that anger doesn't.
Jon
Bristol, UK - Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 07:40:43 (GMT)
Spot
on Barmy Rob!!!
Northern Teen
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 07:36:31 (GMT)
OK,
it's a bit loose but I'll bet if Mr Jupitus did it on Never Mind the Buzzcocks
it would...
Simon
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 07:30:59 (GMT)
Anybody
else think that the intro to the latest single by Ash is a bit Milkmanish? Check
out http://www.ash-official.com/ash_html.htm
Simon
UK - Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 07:06:59 (GMT)
I'm
with chris on this one. Walking away from someone who is potentially dying right
in front of you is awful.
derik
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 06:52:18 (GMT)
OK,
I concede that some of us are going a bit over the top with the football stuff
here, and Iāll try to tone down a little (but JUST a little·). But you canāt
get away from football as a major part of life in the UK. Billy Bragg obviously
uses football imagery all over the place. Itās there in Leon Rosselsonās music
too, but he does it more subtly. Attila the Stockbroker (a fanatical Brighton
supporter) uses it all over the place. And, would you believe, the wonderful
Robb Johnson is a regular at Brentford, my local team, of which he is a lifelong
supporter, and he has even written a song for the club.
Pete Crook
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 06:44:09 (GMT)
From
my experience, management protects itself. Bad managers are never fired. Management
loves to talk about getting rid of unproductive workers. In my workplace they
call them "dead wood." Literally, that's the phrase they use. I have heard them.
Imagine, being an older or disabled worker and being called "dead wood." However,
bad managers are protected forever. I like my boss at the moment, but I am sure
he would protect a bad manager over me any day. All the same, where I work we
are a little more polite than in factories, and I have gone into insulin shock
a few times at work (more times than I care to remember if I could remember
anything). Thank goodness my coworkers and even bosses helpled me.
Carol
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 06:31:16 (GMT)
Sonj.
I can't email you I need your address - mail me rlangatclara.net.
Barmy Rob
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 06:26:10 (GMT)
Ah
yes, nibbling around the edges never did anything. In the UK it never eradicated
child labour and slavery; it never introduced old-aged pensions and a National
Health Service; it never created Health & Safety rules to protect workers from
unsafe practices; it never created a welfare system to help the sick & the unemployed;
it never created a free universal education system, public libraries & museums;
it never gave universal suffrage & statutory rights to trade-unionists. Nope,
there never was any point in nibbling at the edges - we should have gone the
way of China or Russia and now we'd be living a life of luxury.
Barmy Rob <barmy@irony.com>
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 06:22:42 (GMT)
I'm
not going to get all rude'n'angry and I'm certainly not challenging your opinion
of awful bosses. But it's simple to me: you don't step over someone who's ill,
you help them. Just because someone's a shit, doesn't mean you have to become
a shit yourself. And on a practical level, if you've helped someone out - especially
saved a life - they're going to be a lot more inclined to listen to you.
chris <duckyfuzz@hotmail.com>
london, england - Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 06:21:18 (GMT)
Chris
he didn't need confirmation. He was convinced that he was right to begin with.
And he was not let go by GM! He lived to terrorize more workers. Look at the
post office shootings in my home over ten years ago. The shootings occurred
because of an awful boss who drove everybody to exhaustion and one mentally
unstable worker to violence - that manager still works for the post office!
He works in New York State and is still a source of trouble. No getting to the
bottom of things, no working out why someone would turn to murder for relief.
There is a lesson here and management hasn't learned it.
Barbara <idhaveprobablycalledforhelpbutitsbeenestablishedthatimaliberal>
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 06:12:44 (GMT)
I
think that's really sad, Jon. Or perhaps even despicable. In that moment, you
became everything that boss had previously thought of you: you proved him right!
chris <duckyfuzz@hotmail.com>
london, england - Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 06:03:45 (GMT)
Wow
what a horrible story. Being stepped over when you're dying... I bet that confirmed
all his prejudices about the workforce. Imagine if someone'd actually rushed
to his aid, helped him out, it might have been the catalyst for a real positive
change in attitude.
chris <duckyfuzz@hotmail.com>
london, england - Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 06:01:34 (GMT)
Great
story Barbara, I too worked in a place where one of my bosses had a mild coronary.
He'd just finished tearing into the department I worked in and as we left he
crumpled down. We got up and walked away, it was the only way we had of getting
back at him.
Jon
Bristol, UK - Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 05:49:54 (GMT)
Phony,
insecure, manipulative and have no background knowledge on the subject of what
your 'underlings' do, those are what great bosses are made of. Send them on
a fast track course in people and time management, buy them a few nice suits
and (generally) pastel shirts and ties. Put em in the oven gas mark 5 for 30
minutes and they're done. The pretention of the scenario I described was really
unbearable, especially from this persons co-workers. I've deleted twice further
reasons as to why this whole episode really pissed me off. I have a habit of
opening my mouth after my brain has engaged when I'm talking to these 'managers'
and it becomes very clear that I can see thru their horsecrap. Sadly, there
are many people who don't, sheep for a better phrase, and think that emulation
would be good for their career also.
Jon
Bristol, UK - Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 05:46:34 (GMT)
I
followed Carsten all over Belfast, and I have to admit, the beer was good and
cheap, and the company delightful.
Carol
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 05:11:59 (GMT)
Very
good carsten... will you be my leader? baaaaa
Jon D
follow Carsten... cheaper beer, more football - Saturday, January 13, 2001 at
04:54:09 (GMT)
There
was a foreman at a GM plant in Detroit who was universally hated by all. Mean
petty bitter. He had a heart attack on the shop floor one day, fell on the floor,
and the workers stepped over and around him. He lay there till another foreman
happened by and called for an ambulance. He lived, but was transferred to another
plant. The workers remained unmoved.
Barbara <atruestorytoldtomebysomeonewhowasthere>
Itellmybossesatthepapersthisstoryatleastonceaweek, - Saturday, January 13, 2001
at 04:51:35 (GMT)
Pete,
I wrote to Larry about booking Black 47 here, and mentioned that I would be
in New York to meet you at Connelly's and he said "That Pete Crook is infamous".
The rest I'll tell you over a beer. A cold one. I won't be having a "pint" strong
Euro beer gives my little American brain headaches. One Guinness per night is
all I can drink.
Barbara <yesimaweeniegoodcanadianbeerforme@home>
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 04:49:03 (GMT)
I
agree, Jon. A perfect example for this is what happened in the GDR in 1989.
Carsten
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 04:48:57 (GMT)
'A
little fun', Carol? - 'A little fun?' - We're not on this planet to have a little
fun like those sheep interested in football. Instead we should all strive to
antagonize each and every one of our fellow humans as best we can and then turn
around and complain bitterly that the masses won't have anything to do with
us...
Carsten
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 04:47:21 (GMT)
sorry
ducky [chris] taking out the top few thousand and shooting them won't do it,
the people aren't ready. I think they'd just sit on their arses while someone
else grasped the reins and then follow their new leaders - just as before.
Jon D
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 04:43:49 (GMT)
So
Jon, what you are saying is that one of the qualities of being a boss is to
be phony and insincere. At my workplace, there is little ribbing and humiliation
of coworkers. Really. It just isn't done. Anyway, if one is going to be a successful
boss for me--say what you mean and don't pretend you are being heartfelt and
concerned with others' welfare. You see, people really aren't stupid and can
see through all the pretention, just as they know when someone thinks they are
stupid and wants to control their behavior, thought and conversation. Maybe
people don't like capitalism so much as they don't see any examples of socialism
that has improved people's lives. Right now in California there is a movement
for publicly owned electricity. That is because the privately owned, capitalist
endeavors we have in our state are on the verge of collapse, and the publicly
owned utility companies are doing quite well. That is a concrete example of
socialism working. That is what we have to point to when we talk about socialism.
Maybe it is only nibbling around the edges. But it is better than turning people
totally off and then insulting them because they like beer, football, and rock
'n roll. You gotta have a little fun in life, Luther, or else you turn grouchy
and mean by the time you are 30.
Carol
San Francisco, - Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 04:18:30 (GMT)
Carol,
it depends on how you describe blunt. I think the case you raised is pretty
indicitve of most of the bosses anywhere. I worked with a person who went to
Georgia and commited suicide, most of the people at work were saddened by this,
and the boss 'showed some emotion' even to the point of going to the funeral.
She didn't let people know what had happened to this guy, until the gossip ran
out of control some days later. Whatever the string of events were that ran
upto the time the guy blew his brains out, it didn't help him, the mickey taking
and ribbing he took from his co-workers, whose 'grief' was bought on, no doubt,
from guilt.
Jon
Bristol, UK - Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 04:07:56 (GMT)
Erin,
sorry I've been off line for a while due to my pc packing up, and this site
is barred from work due to activist groups not being allowed during working
hours internet useage (cheers Luther) that said, Cancer Research and Radio Lollipop
are also barred out, but various adult sites aren't! Socialist pubs, I'm not
aware of any per se, there are a few pubs that are run by breweries, The Smiles
Tap opposite the BRI could conceivably be considered vaguely socialist. I'd
agree with with Tettland, go to the Star & Garter, the Guinness is excellent
as is the music. It's been a few years since I drank in the center, and most
of the pubs have changed hands, but for the student crowd where you may get
some political discussion, there's the White Bear at the top of St Michaels
Hill, and the Howling Wolf, for a blues night. Email me, and I'll try and dig
up some url's for you.
Jon <JonTout@yahoo.com>
Bristol, UK - Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 04:01:43 (GMT)
Luther
- Do you also contend that your approach *has* resulted in real change? If not,
have the working class failed you, or have you failed the working class?
Michael
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 03:55:03 (GMT)
Michael:
I contend that your "nibbling around the edges" approach to changing the world
will never result in real change. Believe me, I understand the argument; I've
heard it thousands of times from Democrats: "Slow and steady wins the race.
Change is a gradual process." I vehemently disagree. Your approach never addresses
the root of the problem (capitalism itself) and is therefore doomed to fail.
Every time you liberals pass some piece of "landmark legislation" like the Clean
Water Act and congratulate yourselves that you've "made a real difference" or
"put the brakes on environmental destruction", the boss class immediately finds
a legal workaround. And given the degree to which money rules Amerikan politics,
you will always be ten steps behind. The only answer is to turn the whole system
on its head, get rid of the parasites entirely, and redistribute the wealth
they've horded among those of us who created it in the first place. The way
to do that is to organize industrially to take and hold the means of production.
See http://hillstrom.iww.org/~common/politics.html
Luther Gaylord
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 03:29:44 (GMT)
So
Uncle Luther doesn't like football much either·Well knock me down with a misdirected
David Beckham free kick.
Dickie <Beer & Football
Beer & Football>
(Not) Billericay, UK - Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 03:27:51 (GMT)
Luther:
I agree with you that Capitalism ought to be destroyed, or at least that a downfall
in current industrial society would give us a chance for a fresh start. People
at the top are too greedy to ever ever allow that. An important question for
me (and Luther or anyone else who wants to contribute) is: would you kill someone
yourself, if you thought their death would make a significant difference? It
has to come down to that? Would you take the board of the World Bank out and
execute them? Would you knife Bill Gates? The thing is, the perpetuation of
an international Capitalist conspiracy (and it is!) can perhaps be attributed
a finite number of individuals at any one time. Just a few thousand people who
keep the boat afloat. And since I would never have the courage, moral certainty
or strategic planning ability or military resource to do the deed, I continue
to scratch at the edges.
chris <duckyfuzz@hotmail.com>
london, england - Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 03:22:26 (GMT)
Repeat
after me: Bread and circuses. Bread and circuses.
Luther Gaylord
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 03:12:35 (GMT)
For
evidence that people are sheep, Carol, one need look no further than the BB
guestbook over the past several days. Scroll down for a moment. Do you see all
the rambling, pointless shite people have posted about football? I rest my case.
Luther Gaylord
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 03:08:05 (GMT)
I
have a question for our UK mates: Are Americans too blunt for your tastes? A
manager sent out an email to everyone that I found totally tasteless. It said
that she was deeply touched by all the concern expressed for a coworker's health
(he was in a serious auto accident) but it was too painful to talk about it
so just wait for her to send out emails. What she meant was, don't bother me
about this. That email nearly made me puke. I can't stand phoniness. I talked
to a British co-worker about it, and he wasn't offended, although he agreed
that my interpretation was probably correct--she didn't want to be bothered.
He said that people have a different way of expressing themselves. Well, the
other American workers were disgusted by the insincerity of the email, too.
We would have preferred her to say that she didn't have time to answer individual
queries. Period. Americans really don't like insincerity. Also they don't like
abstract language. They prefer concrete examples of how capitalism effects their
lives instead of cliches. That is why I use my personal experiences as examples.
It is not that I think my personal life is that fascinating. It is that I am
trying to show rather than tell. On the otherhand, if a person feels that people
are sheep, then perhaps they should do something else rather than try to organize
the masses. One can always move to Oregon and join one of those hunter-gatherer
anarchist groups.
Carol
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 03:02:28 (GMT)
My
answer, Luther, is neither a. nor b. It's my contention that each time an aspect
of capitalist greed is exposed -- whether it's a form of environmental degradation
or worker exploitation -- it presents an opportunity to make a step towards
a more just society. That step may be the elimination of the use of a toxic
chemical or the creation of a public fund that enables members of the working
class to run for elected office. I see this as progress not failure.
Michael
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 02:57:25 (GMT)
"Addressing
Luther". Those bloody prepositions again. :)
Tettland
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 02:50:27 (GMT)
The
"you" in the final sentence was, of course, adressing to Luther.
Tettland
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 02:44:18 (GMT)
Earlier
I wrote "Luther: "Overthrowing capitalism" just sounds too abstract to most
people and for quite sound reasons. How do you overthrow a system that powerful,
and with all the military might it can muster against us? Isn't history littered
with thousands of dead revolutionaries? I'm not claiming it's impossible or
even undesirable (I would deign to call myself a socialist, after all), merely
that I think people are persuaded by rational and practical arguments. The latter
aspect are somewhat lacking in the catch-all "overthrowing capitalism"." I'm
still waiting for you to address the points that I made.
Tettland
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 02:43:18 (GMT)
Why
do you suggest that I lower my expectations, Michael? Is it because (a) you
don't believe that capitalism should be buried, or (b) you don't believe that
the masses will ever be persuaded to bury it? If your answer is (b), then *why*
don't you think that the people who produce the world's wealth can be persuaded
to stop handing that wealth over to a relative few parasites at the top of the
food chain? Why won't they be persuaded that capitalism should be replaced with
a more just, humane system? Is it because they're stupid? Or is there some other
explanation?
Luther Gaylord
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 02:36:35 (GMT)
thank
you, tettland, and thank you, pete, for good advice re bristol and copenhagen.
i'm so excited i can barely stand it today. went out and got my lonely planet
denmark last night and i'm all aflutter. i guess i'll just never really understand
about british preposition use, though. 'in hospital', 'on holiday'...i guess
the more important thing is that it all sounds charming to heathen american
ears..
erin
portland, for one more day - Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 02:35:20 (GMT)
Pete,
Cliftonville was founded in 1879, Arsenal was founded in 1886. Hence, wouldn't
it be fairer to say that Arsenal is wearing Ciftonville's colours rather than
visa versa?
Carsten
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 02:27:38 (GMT)
.
.
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 02:20:51 (GMT)
Actually
Luther, I suspect that this is where the conversation turns. All the grassroots
campaigns I've worked on fall under the "nibbling around the edges" category
in addressing capitalism's vast shortcomings. Working for publicly funded elections,
polluter pay initiatives, and old growth forest protection is by far much easier
than overturning a vibrant capitalist society. I hesitate to suggest that you
should lower your expectations.
Michael
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 02:16:07 (GMT)
Happy
memories eh, Steve, happy memories...now how was that goal scored again? oh
yeah, i remember now. the sunderland fans were half way into the tribal chant
"Jamie Pollock, ugly bastard, Jamie Pollock, ugly bastard," when our Jamie,
heart of a lion, Teesside born and bred, charged through everyone, walked it
into the back of the net and celebrated just a few feet away from where I was
standing/screaming. Orgasmic. Here's to the past. cheers
Northern Teen
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 01:58:28 (GMT)
Okay,
Michael. Let's say that I follow your advice. I put aside my growing disgust
for the masses and stop calling them ignorant sheep. Now what? How do I get
through to them? How do I get them to see that capitalism is an unjust, exploitative
system?
Luther Gaylord
- Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 01:56:44 (GMT)
Pete,
I knew you'd know and yes I have. Only just recovering the strength to reach
my keyboard. Cheers, Mate !
NOT Pete Crook :) :) ;)
- Friday, January 12, 2001 at 23:22:57 (GMT)
It's
OK Carsten, I've answered my own question by exploring the Cliftonville FC site
more.
Pete Crook
- Friday, January 12, 2001 at 23:21:01 (GMT)
Luther
- If your asking me for campaign advice I would first suggest dropping the use
of the terms "ignorant masses" and "sheep."
Michael
- Friday, January 12, 2001 at 22:56:07 (GMT)
Thanks
for the Cliftonville link, Carsten. Though I'm sorry to see that you have to
watch a team that wears Arsenal colours... I'm intrigued by the ".de" bit in
the URL. I presumed it was because they didn't want ".uk" in it. But then why
not ".ie" ? And there's even an option for a German translation of the site.
What's the link between a football club in North Belfast and Germany ? Just
curious.
Pete Crook
- Friday, January 12, 2001 at 22:13:58 (GMT)
In
theory London to Bristol should take about 1hr 45mins by train, Erin, I believe.
In practice, given the appalling state of the UK's railways, Tettland's estimate
could be more accurate... NB you will probably want to go to Temple Meads, the
city-centre station, not Parkway, which is out of town.
Pete Crook
- Friday, January 12, 2001 at 22:07:09 (GMT)
Check
Out http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0094/0094_01.asphttp://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0094/0094_01.asp
The scary part is that they are dealy serious. I thought it was a parody until
the realisation dawned that it wasn't.
Dyl
- Friday, January 12, 2001 at 21:44:57 (GMT)
ERIN:
It's more likely to take you about 2.5-3 hours by train from Bristol to London.
Tettland
- Friday, January 12, 2001 at 21:28:03 (GMT)
Luther:
"Overthrowing capitalism" just sounds too abstract to most people and for quite
sound reasons. How do you overthrow a system that powerful, and with all the
military might it can muster against us? Isn't history littered with thousands
of dead revolutionaries? I'm not claiming it's impossible or even undesirable
(I would deign to call myself a socialist, after all), merely that I think people
are persuaded by rational and practical arguments. The latter aspect are somewhat
lacking in the catch-all "overthrowing capitalism".
Tettland
- Friday, January 12, 2001 at 21:12:55 (GMT)
ERIN:
don't know any socialist pubs in Bristol but a lot of lefties (and many other
types) seem to hang out in The Star & Garter in Montpelier. Owned and fequented
by many West Indians, it's small, lively, smokey (not a plus in my books but...),
plays loads of brilliant Reggae (the 50 year old, white DJ with the patois accent
is local celeb!) and has frequent lock-ins. I lived in Bristol for a couple
of years. As for IN or ON (or most other prepositions, ftm) cause great confusion
in most languages. If you say, "On the bus" in Danish (though completely normal
in Brit Eng.) it means that you are on top of the bus and therefore have either
taken leave of your senses or are an Arsenal supporter :).
Tettland <tettland@hotmail.com>
Coepnhagen, Denmark - Friday, January 12, 2001 at 21:04:26 (GMT)
Kirsty
McColl's radio show rescheduled... http://www.ananova.com/entertainment/story/sm_169388.html
BBC will probably webcast.
.
- Friday, January 12, 2001 at 21:02:42 (GMT)
I
don't think people should be labelled stupid when they fall for a government's
propaganda - it's often very sophisticated mis-direction on a grand scale. And
the government producing the propaganda is also responsible for educating the
young, which means they can start manipulating at a very early age.
chris <duckyfuzz@hotmail.com>
london, england - Friday, January 12, 2001 at 20:34:34 (GMT)
I
presume that's *this* Pete the Larry Kirwan quote is about ? I take it as a
compliment of course, but where does it come from please Barbara ?
Pete Crook <petecrook@bigfoot.com>
London, England - Friday, January 12, 2001 at 20:02:22 (GMT)
Hey
Pete Larry Kirwan called you "infamous". Too true!
Barbara
- Friday, January 12, 2001 at 18:15:21 (GMT)
Jessica
I'd like to say the way to an englishmans heart is to open a soup kitchen and
get the homeless to revolt... alas, try learning the English Footballs OFFSIDE
RULE, this always impresses. where in the uk is this Joe six pack from..(:)
steve <godless in babaluma>
- Friday, January 12, 2001 at 14:56:16 (GMT)
The
following quote is from Luther....."I believe that most people are miserable
under capitalism, and they know it(WRONG LUTHER , THIS IS A MASSIVE ASSUMPTION
AND YOU ONLY HOPE THEY ARE). Joe Six Pack may not have the intellectual tools
necessary to identify the object of his hatred as capitalism, but he still knows
that he's getting fucked under the current system.(NAMING THE WORKING CLASS
AS JOE SIX PACK IS DISGUSTING AND JUST SHOWS HOW MUCH ANGST AND PAIN YOU MUST
CARRY AROUND WITH YOU) Why, then, does he blame "those wetbacks from Mexico"
and other disenfranchised groups for his economic misery instead of the parasites
at the top.(ALL CLASSES AND TYPES OF SOCIETITES HAVE HAD SOCIAL SCAPEGOATS,
THIS DOESNT MEAN THEY ARE TOTALLY UNHAPPY WITH CAPITALISM) Why doesn't he recognize
the rich as his class enemies?(BECAUSE HE DOESNT FEEL OR SEE THEM AS HIS ENIMIES,
AND YOU TELLING THEM THEY ARE, IS A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME) Luther Gaylord - Friday,
January 12, 2001 at 08:10:52 (GMT...... people are not perfctly happy with capitalism,
however, they are not that unhappy with it to start smashing macdonalds windows
or indulging in industrial sabotage, your attitude towards the very people who
create the wealth will achieve nothing.
steve <johnquays@optusnet.com.au>
- Friday, January 12, 2001 at 14:47:21 (GMT)
Teen,
I was at that Boro game
steve
- Friday, January 12, 2001 at 14:30:18 (GMT)
I've
been trying to educate and empower the working class for almost ten years now,
Michael. And I wasn't always this condescending; I once had great faith in the
collective power of workers to overthrow capitaism. But, in my experience, the
majority of workers are not interested in dumping the bosses off their backs.
So, over the past year or so, I've grown increasingly disgusted with them. If
you know of some way to get through to the ignorant masses, please do tell.
Luther Gaylord
- Friday, January 12, 2001 at 14:29:02 (GMT)
Educate
and empower or insult and dismiss?
Michael
- Friday, January 12, 2001 at 13:07:34 (GMT)
Luther!
Which sectarian group on the fringes of the Labour movement do you belong to
then? SWP? RCG? SLP? WRP? Let us know...
Blitz
USA - Friday, January 12, 2001 at 12:11:43 (GMT)
Sorry,
Pete try this one: http://cliftonville.de
Carsten
- Friday, January 12, 2001 at 10:59:03 (GMT)
Don't
worry, Northern Teen--Giants fans are actually quite polite and rated PG. You're
kicked out if you say anything even a little obscene, like calling an opposing
player "pussy." That is definitely an offensive to get you booted. I just don't
like my losses riubbed in my face, you know? You English are realy pretty rough,
what with all your economic insults!
Carol
- Friday, January 12, 2001 at 10:21:59 (GMT)
That
was the night we sang "Down with Swan Hunter's, you're going down with Swan
Hunter's..." in cruel reference to the fact that their last ship yard (swan
hunters) was closing. ha ha ha. it's only a game!
Northern Teen
- Friday, January 12, 2001 at 10:13:35 (GMT)
That
sounds bad Carol! I've seen how some of the baseball players are treated over
there on the TV and looks like the violence is directed mainly at them...I saw
one team getting bottles thrown at them... as for me, worst experience would
be getting accidently punched and then spat on in the middle of a small-scale
riot in the Roker End at...yes, you guessed it, Sunderland (and i was just a
kid!). March 6th 1995: Sunderland 0 Middlesbrough 1. lovely jubbly
Northern Teen <tees_tripper@hotmail.com>
- Friday, January 12, 2001 at 10:11:27 (GMT)
PREPARING
FOR BLYTH POWER: I can't really talk as I've come across this band far too late,
and have never seen them live, but they have a UK tour coming up - see www.blythpower.co.uk.
They would appeal to lots of people here, I'm sure. Well, he adds with a little
embarrassment, it seems to be mostly a southern England tour, though they do
get as far north as Boston (sheepish grin). But I had to mention it as I think
they're quite good...
Pete Crook
- Friday, January 12, 2001 at 09:39:58 (GMT)
And
"NOT Pete Crook": I've got yer card marked mate. 'ave yer 'ad yer 'air cut yet
?
Pete Crook
- Friday, January 12, 2001 at 09:20:16 (GMT)
In
the spririt of conciliation - *grin* - seriously, thanks for the Martin McGuinness
link, Carsten. A brilliant story, which I confess I had missed out on. I have
*huge* respect for that guy. Incidentally your Cliftonville link doesn't seem
to work.
Pete Crook
- Friday, January 12, 2001 at 09:18:15 (GMT)
Jessica:
If the majority of Amerikans are too stupid to critically examine their government's
propaganda, then they're also too stupid to function in a stateless, classless
society. Renaming socialism isn't the answer; educating people is. But I'm fast
coming to the conclusion that the majority of Amerikans are uneducable.
Luther Gaylord
- Friday, January 12, 2001 at 09:06:17 (GMT)
Billy
and the Blokes are ace! For a different take on Billy's themes, try the Dropkick
Murphys, Boston's finest Irish punk and roll band. Their new album, "Sing Loud,
Sing Proud" is due out Feb. 6th and is the shite! Themes of working class struggle
play out against Irish pride and drinking tunes. A cover of the union classic
"Which Side Are You On" is also included. Catch them on tour near you soon!
Go buy the record Feb. 6th!
Sean <sholl@hotmail.com>
Bloomington, Illinois - Friday, January 12, 2001 at 08:48:05 (GMT)
Luther,
working people aren't trying to overthrow capitalism because of American propaganda.
To most americans, even the ones my age (I'm rather young), socialism = soviet
union = the enemy. They don't see socialism as an ideal, but rather as a totalitarian
form of government. The red scare and anti-red propaganda of the 50s is still
lingering in our cultural mindset. Capitalism is democracy, so most seem to
think. We're going to have to give socialism a new name before anyone in this
country will fight for it.
Jessica Jolly
- Friday, January 12, 2001 at 08:33:14 (GMT)
Northern
Teen: The baseball fans that give me the hardest time are the San Diego Padres
fans. At a Giants game last year, this one guy kept standing up and wiggling
his bum everytime the Padres scored. The worst insult of all was that the Padres
are one of the worst teams in baseball, but for some reason everytime I see
them play they beat my team. I got very tired of that guy's bum in my face.
There is a limit.
Carol <wemightbegiants@youbetweare>
San Francisco, - Friday, January 12, 2001 at 08:31:45 (GMT)
You
should have heard some of the things the Sunderland fans were chanting at us
last year. According to them, Teesside had the worst paedohile record in the
country, hence the chants: "Nah nah nah, shag your children" - "Does everyone
on Teesside shag their kids" and "Stand up if you shag your kids" We were also
treated to their version of that Baha men classic: "Who let the smogs out?"
and "You're getting high on fresh air"- a dig at Teesside's chemical industry.
And also "Small town in Yorkshire, you're just a small town in Yorkshire" because
Middlesbrough used to be Yorkshire years ago. Mackem b@stards. Gggggr. Just
thought I'd let you all know. I was quite angry at the time [understatement]
but it was good banter.
Northern Teen <tees_tripper@hotmail.com>
- Friday, January 12, 2001 at 08:22:02 (GMT)
You
see, this is why I keep pressing Barbara for answers to my questions. I need
to understand why the people who are getting fucked hardest by the boss class
won't organize with other workers to overthrow capitalism. Why won't they address
the root of the problem? Why are most union members in Amerika content to vote
for Al Fucking Gore, instead of agitating for real change?
Luther Gaylord
- Friday, January 12, 2001 at 08:11:47 (GMT)
I
believe that most people are miserable under capitalism, and they know it. Joe
Six Pack may not have the intellectual tools necessary to identify the object
of his hatred as capitalism, but he still knows that he's getting fucked under
the current system. Why, then, does he blame "those wetbacks from Mexico" and
other disenfranchised groups for his economic misery, instead of the parasites
at the top. Why doesn't he recognize the rich as his class enemies?
Luther Gaylord
- Friday, January 12, 2001 at 08:10:52 (GMT)
Steve
Hossack thinks that I'm blinkered. His analysis seems to be that the vast majority
of people are perfectly happy under capitalism. The masses think that capitalism
is grand, says Steve. That's why they're not inclined to overthrow it. I disagree.
Luther Gaylord
- Friday, January 12, 2001 at 08:10:38 (GMT)
I'm
sitting here listening to the boots of the NYE's gig, and hitting "pause" every
now and then to listen to Jesus Christ Superstar being watched, loudly, on the
DVD player by a 12 yr old girl. If you haven't got anything decent to trade
with Mike, I suggest you find something (not volunteering the 12 yr old) because
these CDs are *excellent*!!!! Keri & Jessica, your laughter and 'woooohoooos'
will live on forever!! They're really that good! In reading some of the posts
all I can add about "Englishisms" is that my husband grew up in Manchester and
spent a good number of years in a mining town in the North. I thought NYers
had accents!! I've learned an entirely new vocabulary and that you can pronounce
words like "can" in less than 2 seconds. Sometimes when his accent comes roaring
through all I can combat with is my NY speed-slurring! It really does work.
Anyway, back to those boots, get yerself some!! Excellent job, Mike!! Thanks
for your hard work :)
Patsy <HavingVolumeContestsWithJCSuperstar>
Long Island, Motherhood OY - Friday, January 12, 2001 at 08:03:51 (GMT)
brian,
nope i haven't the song i'm thinking of is on the soundtrack-ordinary decent
criminal.
keri
- Friday, January 12, 2001 at 07:58:45 (GMT)
And
Wood Green is on the Piccadilly Line, in diehard Tottenham territory, where
red football shirts of any kind are completely outlawed...However, they are
still in abundance (especially those with white sleeves) !
NOT Pete Crook :)
- Friday, January 12, 2001 at 07:55:39 (GMT)
Keri:
I think so - a sort of reggea-ish affair - I thought I heard that it was with
Tenor-Fly (I haven't heard from him for years - Ragga-House never really caught
on did it)
Brian
London, UK - Friday, January 12, 2001 at 07:46:06 (GMT)
hi
brian... would that be dying isn't easy?
keri
- Friday, January 12, 2001 at 07:41:31 (GMT)
Keri
- have you heard the new Damon Albarn collaboration single yet - it's very good
Brian
London, UK - Friday, January 12, 2001 at 07:40:16 (GMT)
re:Heseltine
- a few years back Christopher Morris, on his radio show, came out of the news
with the line "and if we hear any more news on Michael Heseltine's death, we
will let you know", for a laugh. Someone was just tuning their radio when they
heard this, so they phoned their local Conservative headquarters to ask if it
was true that MH had died. They in turn phoned Downing Street. Who then phoned
Hezza at home to check if he was still alive - This resulted in Chris Morris
never beaing allowed to broadcast live on the BBC again
Brian <sonj.bbcchoiceisgood@isntit>
London, UK - Friday, January 12, 2001 at 07:37:44 (GMT)
Pete,
what's the Tottenham flag look like then? - White lion on a white background?
Carsten
- Friday, January 12, 2001 at 07:36:20 (GMT)
pete,
hehehehe scousers have such a good sense of humour, they can lauh at themselves.
is luther from liverpool?
nevski
- Friday, January 12, 2001 at 07:32:19 (GMT)
Yes,
but Cliftonville's is still the "Red Army" http://cliftonville.com --- By the
way, our Minister for Education Martin McGuinness has just scrapped the much
loathed Tory invention of school performance tables! http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/education/newsid_1109000/1109516.stm
- Keep up the good work, Martin, next is the 11+!
Carsten
- Friday, January 12, 2001 at 07:32:00 (GMT)
And
Wood Green is on the Piccadilly Line, in diehard Tottenham territory, where
red football shirts of any kind are completely outlawed...
Pete Crook
- Friday, January 12, 2001 at 07:26:49 (GMT)
cheers
pete... you've put my boss at ease.
keri
- Friday, January 12, 2001 at 07:23:59 (GMT)
Nevski,
stop the wind-up or you'll create the wrong impression...
Pete Crook
- Friday, January 12, 2001 at 07:23:44 (GMT)
Don't
get me started on foorball trivia... but anyway, Manchester United's nickname
is "The Red Devils", and Liverpool's is "The Reds". Christ, someone used a lot
of imagination thinking those up. And yes, I am pissed off that most of the
teams I can't stand wear my favourite colour the above two plus Arsenal), whereas
Tottenham wear (mostly) white, and Gillingham wear (mostly) blue. But I can't
help that... This should not to be taken to imply that I dislike every team
that wears red, before a certain Mackem gets going.
Pete Crook <petecrook@bigfoot.com>
London, England - Friday, January 12, 2001 at 07:19:40 (GMT)
when
they arent stealing your television
nevski
- Friday, January 12, 2001 at 07:13:32 (GMT)
i
have no idea, although it sounds like the sort of quick witted thing those cheeky
scousers would do. they are such wags.
nevski <not in liverpool,
never been there>
- Friday, January 12, 2001 at 07:12:23 (GMT)
That
was supposed to be 1985--during Thatcher. He was proud to be an Irish kid from
Liverpool.
Carol <ctarlen@att.net>
San Francisco, - Friday, January 12, 2001 at 07:12:17 (GMT)
Aournd
1965 I met a kid from Liverpool who said that at one football game a fan of
the opposing team shouted, "You scousers, you're all snorting coke and on the
dole." This became Liverpool's favorite chant: "We're snorting coke and on the
dole!" Is this true, Nevski?
Carol <ctarlen@att.net>
San Francisco, - Friday, January 12, 2001 at 07:11:14 (GMT)
north
london... northern line i believe
keri
- Friday, January 12, 2001 at 07:09:41 (GMT)
where
is wood green? and does anyone think i could make it london to bristol in less
than two hours on a train? if so, then by god, i'm on it. party in bristol on
20th january! JON: what's the best socialist pub in town?
erin
portland, - Friday, January 12, 2001 at 07:05:46 (GMT)
liverpool
= the unemployed
nevski
- Friday, January 12, 2001 at 07:01:51 (GMT)
.
.
- Friday, January 12, 2001 at 07:00:51 (GMT)
punter
= person having a bet, usually on horse racing
nevski
- Friday, January 12, 2001 at 06:59:24 (GMT)
ok.
if man utd are refered to as the 'reds' in nickname only... no politics there...
then what about liverpool. what's their nickname?
keri
- Friday, January 12, 2001 at 06:59:15 (GMT)
and
anyway, when i do it, it lasts all nite :-)
nevski
- Friday, January 12, 2001 at 06:58:31 (GMT)
Rob
C, a Punter is an ordinary person, male or female that does stuff, any stuff.
Hard Graft is a hard work, not office based but manual labour, working on a
building site as a hod carrier is hard graft, doing a bin round is hard graft,
sitting in an office, while it might be mentally challenging isn't seen as hard
graft.
Jon
Bristol, UK - Friday, January 12, 2001 at 06:57:56 (GMT)
sounds
like your day was as long ago as my day was :-)
nevski
- Friday, January 12, 2001 at 06:54:16 (GMT)
Nevski--in
my day, when I was very, very young, it was 4 times a night. You know what you
heard about the 60s? It's all true. Just ask Sonja.
Carol
- Friday, January 12, 2001 at 06:40:17 (GMT)
Only
4 times a week? This explains the decline of the empire.
Barbara <Ha!andwereold@home.com>
itisajobpalgettoit, sternbutfair - Friday, January 12, 2001 at 06:39:50 (GMT)
Lager
and football, hmmm. Ability to play or just football appreciation? I think I
can handle the latter.
Jessica <4timesaweekisallyagot,nev?>
- Friday, January 12, 2001 at 06:38:20 (GMT)
i
would confirm, Lager and football.. but u missed the side order of bedroom olympics
4 times a week. (any more and it becomes like a full time job)
nevski
- Friday, January 12, 2001 at 06:30:13 (GMT)
jessica-as
far as i can tell... it's lager and footy.
keri
- Friday, January 12, 2001 at 06:24:01 (GMT)
Now
Keri finally hit the topic I've been wondering about: English boys. What is
the way to an Englishman's heart? I fell in love with one a couple months back.
Jessica Jolly
- Friday, January 12, 2001 at 06:20:31 (GMT)
I'm
still waiting for Barbara to answer the following questions: (1) If you believe
that vandalizing McDonald's is wrong, why don't you also condemn vandalism against
the Detroit News and Detroit Free Press? (2) Having battled the bosses "on the
ground" as you did, why aren't you opposed to capitalism? Why are you unable
to extrapolate from your experiences during the Detroit newspaper strike a broader
perspective against capitalism in general? Why don't you see capitalism for
the unjust, exploitative system it is?
Luther Gaylord
- Friday, January 12, 2001 at 05:42:29 (GMT)
Keri
those cards sound really cool. I don't suppose you could scan them and send
them off to some graphic designers you know (ahem!)
Barbara
- Friday, January 12, 2001 at 05:23:18 (GMT)
erin,
you can't buy them... they're an archival artifact. so are you on the team or
in the team? i think you should stop asking for explainations...it distracts
from the aloofness of english boys. btw i still want one from your travels....wood
green please.
keri
- Friday, January 12, 2001 at 05:19:32 (GMT)
low
and behold e.v. is the ace of clubs.
keri
- Friday, January 12, 2001 at 05:16:12 (GMT)
keri,
is he the ace of spades? and who are the other aces? and i hope you're going
to nick that deck, or else maybe you could tell me where there's one to buy...
erin
portland, - Friday, January 12, 2001 at 04:55:43 (GMT)
this
is right wonky now...i have to submit something in order for it to call up all
the messages since my last post. has anyone else had this problem or is it just
that my computer is a 'shamrock'?
erin
portland, - Friday, January 12, 2001 at 04:54:21 (GMT)
test
test
- Friday, January 12, 2001 at 04:49:22 (GMT)
Since
we're on to Englishisms what is a "Punter" and what is "hard graft"? Most of
the editors in our national papers in Canada are English nowadays and I can't
understand their colloquialisms.
Rob C
Toronto, Canada - Friday, January 12, 2001 at 04:43:02 (GMT)
spades
i think.
keri
- Friday, January 12, 2001 at 04:32:15 (GMT)
Which
one are you, Keri? Queen of diamonds?
Jessica
- Friday, January 12, 2001 at 03:49:23 (GMT)
of
course there are only 4 of em... they have to be the queens of the deck... i
guess no woman is good enough to be 3 of spades.
keri
- Friday, January 12, 2001 at 03:44:18 (GMT)
ON
- (so as to be) supported by or attached to or covering or enclosing! IN -expressing
inclusion or position within limits of space, time, circumstance, etc. Simple
isn't it.
Dickie
(Not) Billericay, UK - Friday, January 12, 2001 at 03:30:01 (GMT)
well
erin in that case i've made you fried chicken... peel off plastic covering and
microwave for 10 mins. ha ha. i think debs would clear the senate hearing...
speaking of.. i have a deck of playing cards with labor leaders on them from
the 40s or early 50s (pre 55 afl-cio merger) can you believe it... a deck of
52 cards only produced 4 women labor leaders... what a shame. guess what card
debs is?
keri
- Friday, January 12, 2001 at 03:21:30 (GMT)
...oh
and one more for the english among you today...why oh why do you say people
are 'in the team' instead of 'on the team'? someone please please send me a
windy response that's snide and condescending. i honestly would like a pedantic
reply.
erin
portland, - Friday, January 12, 2001 at 03:05:56 (GMT)
and
cheers, jeff in glasgow. now my friends won't think i'm nuts when i start humming
these two lines that i know....actually, i guess they might still think so,
but at least i can prove the song really exists.
erin
portland, - Friday, January 12, 2001 at 03:02:42 (GMT)
keri,
cut that out. i've made perogies for you before. well, i mean, i took them out
of the box in the freezer and dunked them into the boiling water...blue box
it was, as i recall. debs will make a fine president for the society but i don't
know if he could stand up to the senate hearing...they'll ask, and he might
not tell, but his voice will give it away.
erin
portland, - Friday, January 12, 2001 at 03:01:33 (GMT)
I
went out with a Luton fan for a while. As a Northampton fan the biggest problem
it caused was the fact that we'd never see each other on Saturdays. All banter
was light hearted, but there is a little part of me that is glad to see them
in a relegation fight. Perhaps now she'll understand why I was so grumpy 2 seasons
ago!
Dyl
- Friday, January 12, 2001 at 03:00:53 (GMT)
I
just went to villagevoice.com to see the picture. I'm originally from Missouri,
so I've known about this guy for awhile. He's a real crook. Very power hungry.
Gee, that's awfully christian. I love how the christian right only selectively
follows the parts of the bible that suit them best. Go check out the illustration:
http://www.villagevoice.com PLEASE email your senators to not vote for him as
attorney general.
Jessica Jolly
- Friday, January 12, 2001 at 02:45:51 (GMT)
here
you go... go to the web site. villagevoice.com for the pic... and here's the
article http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0102/fridgeway.shtml
keri
- Friday, January 12, 2001 at 02:42:19 (GMT)
jessica--
did you pick up the new voice today?
keri
- Friday, January 12, 2001 at 02:38:06 (GMT)
Actually
Steve (my partner) ignores my supporting Arsenal, he thinks it might go away
if we don't talk about it. Its the one thing he's completely irrational about.
He loathes Arsenal. But he did spend an hour in Theos car comparing experiences
of the same match from opposite ends of the ground. Best potato meal is colcannon(?).
I never knew it was called that until I worked in restaurants where they charged
silly prices for it. It was just mash in our house.
siobhan
- Friday, January 12, 2001 at 02:33:35 (GMT)
Yes,
rats eat mice, as well as anything else they can get there teeth on. Just becuase
it's little doesn't mean it's a mouse. If it's got a tail longer than the body
and a pointy face rather than a round one, it's a baby rat. If you like Perogies,
try it's greasy counterpart: Somosas. yummm.
Jessica Jolly <Not
that I cook, I go to curry lane to eat them>
- Friday, January 12, 2001 at 02:32:31 (GMT)
L*TH*R:
cool, thanks. I love gnocchi with a slightly tangy sauce but I'd never heard
of perogies before and they sound right up my street. Especially the "make a
million and freeze 'em" bit.
chris <duckyfuzz@hotmail.com>
london, england - Friday, January 12, 2001 at 02:22:32 (GMT)
the
theory is... if you have rats then you don't have mice. rats eat mice... so
i've heard.
keri
- Friday, January 12, 2001 at 02:21:30 (GMT)
And
while we're on the subject of demonstrations - Don't forget the lobby of Parliament
to defend council housing on Jan 24th. Further details at www.defendcouncilhousing.org.uk
Dickie <'tis the season
to march and shout>
(Not) Billericay, UK - Friday, January 12, 2001 at 02:17:08 (GMT)
Actually,
on further reflection, I think I prefer gnocchi to perogies. So my favorite
potato-based meal is gnocchi, Chris. http://e-rcps.com/pasta/rcp/gnocchi/gn_potato.shtml
Luther Gaylord
- Friday, January 12, 2001 at 02:13:09 (GMT)
Hey,
thatās quite astonishing, Siobhan. You and your partner must have an incredibly
strong relationship to overcome such a massive incompatibility. *grin*. Well,
OK, must wife claims to support Chelsea, but then she thinks Charlie Cooke and
Peter Osgood are still in the team...
Pete Crook
London, England - Friday, January 12, 2001 at 02:06:45 (GMT)
Re:
Save Vauxhall Jobs - Luton is only 30 odd mins up the M1 from London (Jct 10)
We'll be very pleased to see you.
Dickie
(Not) Billericay, UK - Friday, January 12, 2001 at 02:03:31 (GMT)
Steel
wool will keep out mice. But if your pests are RATS, forget it. Kill em. It's
us or them.
Jessica Jolly
I live in Chinatown, where I have much experience with RATS - Friday, January
12, 2001 at 02:00:24 (GMT)
wow,
thanks for the receipe luther...but what's your favorite filling? are they easy
to cook?
keri
- Friday, January 12, 2001 at 01:52:46 (GMT)
I've
written to Uncle Bill - Top man not only replied lending his name to the campaign
I was pushing but did an impromptu gig for us - accompanied by a student playing
the didgeridoo. Very strange night the support act (Harold Pinter) did a runner
when the fireworks started going off.
Dickie
(Not) Billericay, UK - Friday, January 12, 2001 at 01:49:00 (GMT)
My
favorite potato-based meal? Perogies, of course. http://momscorner.com/perogies.html
Luther Gaylord
- Friday, January 12, 2001 at 01:47:57 (GMT)
Bragg
Office: it was a reasonable assumption, you're trying to run a pop star's office
and sort his website out while us forum people panic at the slightest hiccup...
and your initials are BO. It would be understandable if you were mouth-chewingly
stressed. Actually Bleedin' Gums Murphy was Lisa Simpson's jazz-saxophone inspiration.
She ran away to sit on a bridge and blow horn with him, but the parents turned
up and took her home. Very moving, it was.
chris <duckyfuzz@hotmail.com>
london, england - Friday, January 12, 2001 at 01:44:15 (GMT)
ok
the best way to plug up holes against mice is to use steel wool--the nonsoap
variety. apparently they'll eat the ones with soap... go figure. now should
i feel compassion toward the cockroaches too?
keri <mashpotatoesarethebest>
- Friday, January 12, 2001 at 01:43:07 (GMT)
Geoff,
thanks for the help with the address...has anyone on here ever written to Billy?
Just curious...
Jane
NYC, - Friday, January 12, 2001 at 01:20:53 (GMT)
very
quickly 'cos I'm late for school. NO I SUPPORT ARSENAL, JUST MY SON AND HIS
FATHER SUPPORT SPURS
siobhan
- Friday, January 12, 2001 at 01:15:37 (GMT)
How
did Marge know about my bleeding gums?
Bragg Office
- Friday, January 12, 2001 at 00:26:47 (GMT)
And
yes, on a lighter note, do come to Spurs v Charlton with me 'n' Dickie, Siobhan.
Hee-hee, I'm dead chuffed about the neat football connections I'm finally making
in Braggland.
Pete Crook
- Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 23:55:06 (GMT)
Passing
on a message from a friend: Sent: 09 January 2001 17:11 To: 'Nick Holden (ntl)'
Subject: Luton Demonstration - 20th Jan 2001. The official National Demonstration
in defence of car workers' jobs at Vauxhall Luton is on 20th January, 2001.
More details can be obtained from http://www.savevauxhalljobs.org.uk/ - please
forward this message widely, and help to build support for the demonstration.
Nick ---- Keep Making Cars in Luton! Save Vauxhall Jobs! ---- http://www.savevauxhalljobs.org.uk/
----
Pete Crook <petecrook@bigfoot.com>
London, England - Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 23:51:51 (GMT)
Siobhan:
You are right "The Fox" did have a former member of the SWP as a landlord. (Thatās
two now Pete!) It was briefly my local in 97. The only good thing I got out
of Palmers Green was the chance to help vote out Portillo. Do you mean they've
cleaned up the rough side? NO POOL TABLES? I was always more at home in Wood
Green and of course my beloved Tottenham. Are you coming to the Charlton game?
Dickie
(Not) Palmers Green, UK - Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 23:42:29 (GMT)
To
quote Mrs Marge Simpson: "Nothing personal, Mr Bleeding Gums, we just fear the
unfamiliar"...
chris <duckyfuzz@hotmail.com>
london, england - Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 23:08:06 (GMT)
That
would be the conservative elements of our society, I imagine.
Bragg Office
- Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 22:37:27 (GMT)
Ignore
the dots. That was me again. Testing. I see my plan to change the guestbook
design was a roaring success.
Bragg Office
- Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 22:34:52 (GMT)
.
.
- Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 22:33:41 (GMT)
i
am a sick person, but i don't leave poison for the mice to eat. in fact i don't
set up any traps. and well debs was having a fine time with his catch and i
tried to take the mouse away from him when it dashed under the fridge. i'll
have you know i am very compassionate toward animals and in fact am the cat
lady on the block ie.. feed the homeless strays in the hood. ok erin. i have
appointed debs the interm president of the 'luther slagged me off society.'
we'll meet after you're european jaunt for a badge design meeting. and i will
investigate your request for your next gift... i wouldn't mind one either--cause--'i'd
like to stay here and be normal... but it's just so over rated.' good bye linda
chavez... next john ashcroft.
keri
bklyn, - Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 22:14:24 (GMT)
Just
say hello to my little Steve down there...in the bush. Thinking of you.....
Joanie <j.motoko@excite.com>
Polluted, Hell - Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 22:07:43 (GMT)
Keri
wrote: "and actually one sunday we played mouse football in the kitchen with
a half alive mouse... it was great fun till the damn thing scurried under the
fridge" Is that true ? You would have to be a very sick individual to consider
that "great fun".
Mark Warner <animal@liberation>
- Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 21:55:47 (GMT)
Cats
are definitely the only solution for mice, theres arailway line at the end of
my North London garden and rats, mice and foxes abound. Dickie, was that you
talking about The Fox? I used to love it in there when they had a pool table
round the rough side.I vaguely remember an SWP member was the governor there
once, but that seems a bit unlikely.
siobhan
- Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 21:24:08 (GMT)
LUTHER:
What's your favourite method of cooking potatoes and which potato-based meal
do you most enjoy?
chris <duckyfuzz@hotmail.com>
london, england - Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 20:27:51 (GMT)
typos
- reading glasses at work...
steve
- Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 18:52:54 (GMT)
Don't fall for it people, Luther does enjoy a windup. Remember Luther himself
said he has NO idea why the working class do not revolt against the system,
other than calling them sheep, at this moment I realsied he truly is blinkered...a
canny lad though
steve
- Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 18:50:03 (GMT)
"Fuck
off, Tettland." Luther Gaylord, January 11, 2001 at 02:37:28 (GMT) - KERI: I
claim my "I've pissed off Luther Gaylord" badge. ERIN: mail me at the address
below about meeting up (I may or may not be able to make it, depending on work).
Tettland <tettland@hotmail.com>
- Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 18:10:24 (GMT)
Sorry,
Kirsty. (late misspellings)
Barbara <oops>
- Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 17:58:58 (GMT)
Pete,
drink a pint in Kristy's honor for me please.
Barbara <letsnothaveasniffleletshaveabloodygoodcry>
andalwaysrememberthelongeryoulive, thesooneryoubloodywelldie - Thursday, January
11, 2001 at 17:57:20 (GMT)
Luther:
don't be a simpleton all your life. I was suggesting that you stop these vitriolic
personal attacks which, to my knowledge, are very different from critcism. Clearly,
your superior ideological position makes such a distinction irrelevant.
Tettland
- Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 17:47:01 (GMT)
Steve:
I'd be happy to get out more if you called me to arrange to get together! I
don't have your new phone numbers ... email me - maybe we can meet up with Frasier
(sic) Island?
geoff <geoffwilson@uq.net.au>
- Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 17:46:33 (GMT)
Nevski
- I did indeed get your message about the Gills v Chelsea tickets. Very grateful.
Will send a personal reply later, but gotta dash now.
Pete Crook
London, England - Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 17:25:02 (GMT)
this
sat...West 'Am V Sunderland
steve
- Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 15:42:29 (GMT)
geoff
you should get out more..(:)...and buy me a cold glass of xxxx as it sits nicely
masquarading as a beer
steve <godlessin heaven@brissie>
- Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 15:41:43 (GMT)
interesting
... the time shown here is exactly correct for my time zone (eastern australia
without daylight saving) although the guestbook does appear to be in tomorrow.
so does GMT = geoff mean time? :-)
geoff
- Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 14:00:31 (GMT)
when?
timecheck
- Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 13:58:39 (GMT)
Jane:
writing to the PO Box (shown at the bottom of the home page of this website)
is the best way to send a letter to Billy.
geoff
- Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 12:58:41 (GMT)
QED
Sian
- Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 12:08:05 (GMT)
Sian:
You're the one who asserted that my tone on the guestbook doesn't jibe with
my ideology, so the onus is on you to explain exactly what the contradiction
is. Go on, then.
Luther Gaylord
- Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 12:06:26 (GMT)
Sian:
You're the one who asserted that my tone on the guestbook doesn't jibe with
my ideology, so the onus is on you do explain exactly what the contradiction
is. Go on, then.
Luther Gaylord
- Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 12:06:15 (GMT)
Arouse
a Dolphin? Try wearing fish nets.... suit yourselves. thank-you and goodnight
Jon D
poor , joke - Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 10:46:44 (GMT)
In
view of Steves' interest in the religous views of US political figures....heres'
a fun fact on our soon-to-be attorney general: "As governor, he even prohibited
over-the-candy-counter sale of bonbons with liqueur centers. " Due to the presence
of Demon Alchohol no doubt. Looks our "restoration" is going to be more like
a "puritan revolution".
Jeff <dwellej@aol.com>
Dayton, OH, USA - Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 10:03:03 (GMT)
Erin-
the song you are referring to is `Dreadlock Holiday` by 10cc.A hit in the uk
in the late 70`s-early 80`s if i`m not mistaken.
jeff
glasgow, - Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 10:01:12 (GMT)
oh!
can anyone help me? the line kind of goes...'we don't like cricket..we love
it' and then 'we don't like reggae...we love it'. what's the song and who's
it by?
erin
portland, - Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 09:57:00 (GMT)
only
three more days until i visit the lovely sceptred isle...so excited....TETTLAND:
i will be in copenhagen on tuesday/16th. and i would be happy to buy you a pint
if in fact we can meet up. i'll be there until the morning of the 19th. even
more excited to be seeing denmark than london, as it's a first. KERI: if we're
going to be mass-producing these badges then we really ought to get together
for a design meeting...kisses to debs.
erin <miss_agent@yahoo.com>
portland, - Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 09:45:53 (GMT)
hello
my dear brother
niles river
- Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 09:37:38 (GMT)
i'll
be back in bris tomorrow; wish you could have come
frasier island
- Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 09:21:09 (GMT)
It's
interesting that a couple of people see what I asked as groveling to or indulging
Luther. I don't see it that way at all (I suppose I wouldn't). True, Luther
gets more attention, but either way, whether you spend energy ignoring his posts
or responding to them, he's getting attention and you're using up energy. Wouldn't
it be better to figure out what's going on here? It's a bigger issue really.
There's a lot of aggression on this guestbook (articulated in the form of things
like ad hominem attacks, relentless badgering of the witnesses, general slagging-off
language) and this, I think, is troublesome and seems fundamentally at odds
with the politics that people often lay claim to here. It's a contradiction
between content and form that I'm very bothered by. Is anyone else? What's the
use in being a socialist if you present yourself like a fascist?
Sian
- Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 09:13:59 (GMT)
Can
anyone tell me how to arouse a dolphin?
jeff
glasgow, scotland - Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 08:37:28 (GMT)
Saved
by the Australian sunrise.
Michael
- Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 08:19:42 (GMT)
Why
is the term "godless" still popularly used as an epithet? still popularly equated
with evil? And why is our government continuing this outmoded language? Madalyn
Murray O'Hair divorced the concept of atheism from the concept of Communism
back in the 1960s. If you are an American, please write to your representative,
and perhaps your local TV and newspapers, and raise this issue once more. When
Miami Mayor Joe Carollo said of the INA agents who snatched Elian Gonzales,
"These are atheists. The don't believe in God," nobody raised a cry. http://www.positiveatheism.org/mail/eml9683.htm
Perhaps by our silence we endorsed this abuse of language, this smear against
ourselves and our like-minded fellows. You can find out how to contact your
Senators and Representative through these pages. House of Representatives: http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW.html
Unites States Senate: http://www.senate.gov/ If you are not an American, perhaps
you might want to wake our sleeping government up with a note from abroad. This
move clearly allies the United States with the Vatican in particular and with
theism in general.... We will post any responses or any forwarded letters to
representatives. Cliff Walker "Positive Atheism" Magazine Five years of service
to people with no reason to believe P.O. Box 16811 Portland, OR 97292 http://www.PositiveAtheism.org/
editor@PositiveAtheism.org...... "They keep their free thinking to themselves
because of the prevalence and customary acceptance of religious rites and church
doings as established institutions, the foundations of which it would be unpopular
to openly contradict or oppose.... When the people's presidents, governors,
legislators and political party conventions declare their dependence upon God
for their guidance, surely the uninformed wanderer in intellectual darkness
is encouraged to do the same, while unbelievers assent to the procession by
maintaining silence." --California Governor Culbert L. Olson (1876-1961)........
"My conclusion is that there is no reason to believe any of the dogmas of traditional
theology and, further, that there is no reason to wish that they were true.
Man, in so far as he is not subject to natural forces, is free to work out his
own destiny. The responsibility is his, and so is the opportunity." -- Bertrand
Russell (1872-1970), "Is There a God?" (1952)............. "The legitimate powers
of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. -- Thomas
Jefferson (1743-1826) "Statute for Religious Freedom"
steve <johnquays@optusnet.com.au>
- Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 08:11:40 (GMT)
christ,
the way people grovel to Luther for an answer, arghh....go to bed without supper,
Rev Luther..at least simon answered the question, why does the working class
not desire revolution(without generalising that they are sheep).. the answer
is most people see the capitalist system in a positive way and couldnt give
damn about smashing macdonalds windows or bringing companies to its knees..how
tired and old this discussion is...take your blinkers off for fuck sakes
steve
- Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 08:10:13 (GMT)
enuff
luther indulging, heres where the action really is. insult a conservative. http://www.tower.org/insult/conservative.html
nevski
- Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 08:04:38 (GMT)
Luther
- I genuinely would like to know too. Besides, you are the only one who has
used the term "socialist way" on this guestbook, so seriously, what does it
mean to you?
Michael
- Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 07:38:53 (GMT)
Luther
-- that sounds like an essay question, if ever I heard one. I think, though,
that you could answer it yourself. From what I can make out, you have a solid
idea of what socialism is. I'd suggest that you ask yourself whether what you
define as socialism is being reflected in the *way* you're talking about it.
It's not work I have to do for you, I don't think. If, after doing this, you
think your manner of discourse *is* socialist in nature, I'd be really interested
to know how -- I really would. (I'm not being funny when I say that -- I genuinely
would like to know).
Sian
- Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 07:17:34 (GMT)
sorry
bout this... pete c did u get my email about the chelsea tickets??
nevski
- Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 07:12:47 (GMT)
If
I were to write a letter to Billy Bragg(this doesn't necessarily mean he'll
read it), does anyone know where I might send it to? Much thanks, Jane
Jane
NYC, - Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 07:00:43 (GMT)
There
is an unofficial "network" of managers here where I work. They often speak "off-the-record,"
and it is nigh impossible to prove. It makes you feel crazy, like somebody is
out to get you and you can't do anything about it. As far as mice go, the best
way to get rid of them is to find out where they are coming in, and then plug
it up. Same with rats. However, if you can't do that, then the snap trap is
the most humane (sort of the equivalent of lethal injectionexecutions). Trapping
them and putting them outside is rather useless--they just come back.
Carol
- Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 07:00:22 (GMT)
I
will *certainly* be there at St Martin in the Fields. Anyone else ? I think
it is in the spirit of Kirsty that it ain't inappropriate to go for a beer afterwards...
Pete Crook
- Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 06:41:31 (GMT)
Just
incase any of you missed the news, Kirsty's funeral was held yesterday in London.
A memorial service, where all are welcome, takes place at St. Martin in the
Field on Saturday, 20th January. More details can be found here : http://www.freeworld.demon.co.uk/news/index.htm
- Cheers,
Theo
London, - Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 06:16:24 (GMT)
"Are
you now, or have you ever been a member of..." I think is the correct way to
start the question when trying to ascertain a persons political stance.
Jon
Bristol, UK - Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 06:15:37 (GMT)
Carol,
isn't sacking people then giving the bad references when they look for new work
illegal? It reminds me of my old boss at the callcenter I work in so I transfered
departments and screwed her that way. Sonj, don't kill the little mouse, coerce
it into becoming a pet, they only live for about a year anyway.
Jon
Bristol, UK - Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 06:00:44 (GMT)
i
repeat.. therefore i am important.
keri
- Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 05:51:57 (GMT)
Sian:
Please describe, in as much detail as possible, the "socialist way" of discussing
things.
Luther Gaylord
- Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 05:49:55 (GMT)
Sorry
to hear aobut Heseltine, Jon. My day is ruined.
Carol
- Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 05:30:40 (GMT)
Sorry
about the v signs. Quite accidental. Honest!
Bragg Office
- Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 05:28:24 (GMT)
vv
vv
- Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 05:27:39 (GMT)
Heseltine
LIVES I'm afraid Carol. I saw him about 3 years ago on a motorway service station
forecourt - couldn't think of anything to say before he jumped in his Jag and
took off.
Jon D <joinedup@yahoo.co.uk>
- Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 05:20:35 (GMT)
get
a cat sonj...my kitty leaves the dead mice on the kitchen floor for me when
i get home for work. and actually one sunday we played mouse football in the
kitchen with a half alive mouse... it was great fun till the damn thing scurried
under the fridge...never to be heard from again.
keri
- Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 04:24:51 (GMT)
Sonj:
There are a wide range of mousetraps available at affordable prices from your
local hardware store. A favoured one here is the self-baiting reusable SNAP
TRAP. The old fashioned "Tom & Jerry" traps are a bit messy as are the humane
variety when you forget to liberate your captive.
Rent-A-Killer
Deep in the Bedfordshire bush, UK - Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 04:17:17 (GMT)
Foxes
are everywhere in North London. In Tottenham High Street thay have been seen
chasing rats. Wood Green railway embankment (Near Alexandra Palace)is favourable
habitat and they have even been seen in the car park of "The Fox" in Palmers
Green. The parasites that hunt them have so far been kept outside the M25.
David Bellamy
(Not) North London, UK - Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 04:03:02 (GMT)
Carsten:
good Irish sea reality check, I've tripped meself up trying to eroticise the
desolate. Sian: you're in trouble now, summoned to the blackboard by L*th*r
(suggested new nickname: "Kneel-Before-Zod!". Dickie: cool, no stress. I envy
you the animal presence in your garden, not much chance of that in a north London
flat.
chris <duckyfuzz@hotmail.com>
london, england - Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 03:50:32 (GMT)
Hi
Sonja: How's the kettle? Do you use it? I really don't think it's bad to acknowledge
poetic justice, and if that heartless guy who closed pits and ruined communities
died of a heart attack, enjoying the irony is only human. I had a manager who
laid off lots of workers and then gave them bad recommendations when they looked
for other work. She also kissed HER bosses asses lots--so when she got colon
cancer, I was slightly amused. I really don't want her to suffer, but poetic
justice prevails. All the same, I wouldn't want any working class person to
suffer, even if they live in Utah. Soliarity prevails. And fox hunting sucks.
A slight chuckle about Charlie's broken bones is just acknowledgement of the
results of bad, classist, cruel behavior.
Carol
- Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 03:36:23 (GMT)
...and
the luther, with a small L cries in front of his PC and another guestbook liberal
posts on the computer screen...
Michael
- Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 03:35:49 (GMT)
dickie,
i didn't feel so friendly toward the mice forced inland from their riverside
homes by the flooding, when they ate all my chocolates! next year alberr will
have to find a better hiding place:(
sonj
- Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 03:28:24 (GMT)
pete
c, i was channel surfing the other day and caught bill at the blake exhibition.
I think he only did a couple of minutes and i got most of that on video, including
him singing jerusalem. I am too disorganised to post it at the moment but i
will hang on to it for you.
sonj
- Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 03:25:12 (GMT)
i
am liberal to a degree but if you think i'd let luther gaylord move in next
door and marry my daughter, you must think i'm crazy.
sonj
- Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 03:22:57 (GMT)
Using
the phrase load of ol' bollo' was an affectionate way of saying I disagree and
not meant as an aggressive bollocks. I had foxes living in my garage last year,
spent hours watching them and was outraged when the hunt turned up outside my
house. (The family that own the fields next to my house allow the local hunt
accesses to their land) My love of the foxes diminished slightly when they started
crapping all over my garden (Not good for the kids) but I soon got over it and
hope they come back this year.
Dickie
(Not) Billericay, UK - Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 03:22:09 (GMT)
Hi
Sian, I'd very much agree with fuzzybuck (Chris) that beforementioned dogs'
bollocks is best ignored! --- Chris, there's nothing wrong with either a male
or female wanting to seduce a dolphin, BUT having sex in the Irish Sea??? -
Way too unrealistic for me! :)
Carsten
- Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 03:14:34 (GMT)
Sian:
Please describe, in as much detail as possible, the "socialist way" of discussing
things.
Luther Gaylord
- Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 03:09:38 (GMT)
To
clarify, I'm agreeing with Dyl, arguing annoyedly with Dickie and ignoring L*th*r.
chris <duckyfuzz@hotmail.com>
london, england - Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 02:57:03 (GMT)
No
it's not bollocks. If you don't care about the fox itself, just because of its
lack of sentience (as manifested by an inability to form a union, for example)
aren't you sharing core values of those you despise? It is the cruelty, not
the pomp and costume that makes foxhunting evil. I was clumsily trying to express
a feeling that a similar kind of person veers in that same direction, devaluing
other people and being cruel to animals.
chris <duckyfuzz@hotmail.com>
london, england - Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 02:54:51 (GMT)
By
any reckoning, socialism is not just about content -- it's about form. So --
even though important things may be being talked about here, the way in which
they are being talked about is anything but socialist.
Sian
- Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 02:49:44 (GMT)
Did
Hezza feel stress and strain? It all seemed rather easy for him at the time.
But seriously, in the grand scheme of things closing pits, destroying communities
could be seen as worse crimes than killing foxes, but to me those 'crimes' are
all part of the same problem. That problem is a class in this country which
is inherently selfish. Whether their selfishness manifests itself in bloodsports
or in legislation I view any impediment (however small) to them as a good thing.
Blimey, I never thought a throwaway comment about Charles Windsor's scapula
would cause such a fuss. But then again I've been reading this guestbook for
long enough to know better.
Dyl
- Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 02:47:08 (GMT)
What
are the politics of petulance?
Sian
- Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 02:46:24 (GMT)
What
are the politics of intimidation?
Sian
- Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 02:45:03 (GMT)
Fuck
off, Tettland. I'll say what I want, when I want. And if you want me to lay
off criticizing Carol, Barbara, and other guestbook liberals, you might ask
them to stop attacking me.
Luther Gaylord
- Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 02:37:28 (GMT)
What
a load of ol' bollo'. I'm against fox hunting - but I view it as a class issue.
There's no comparison between hunting a fox and using all the forces at your
disposal to attack the working class. When a fox organises a union I'll fight
for it's rights, until then·It's the hunters I'm after.
Dickie
(Not) Billericay, UK - Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 02:20:17 (GMT)
I
am still awaiting Carol's answer to my question of May 16th 1989, 15:22 and
43 seconds. Namely, why won't she name her favourite type of fish? Bloody liberals...
Gunther Laylord <The Moon>
- Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 02:16:53 (GMT)
Actually,
when you get to the heart of it, contributing to the destruction of the working
class is nearly identical to callously hounding and killing a fox. Equal values.
chris <duckyfuzz@hotmail.com>
london, england - Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 01:47:35 (GMT)
I
had a milder argument with Den's point: you're right it's not nice to laugh
at misfortune but it is very human. You've done it too at some point. When people
we despise are hurt we feel good and then feel guilty and that's normal as long
as we didn't actually shoot Chuck off his horse. But Dyl is right too - bloodsports
are for slugs. Carol please don't answer Luther's question or post anything
on the subject. I do not want to know how this debate ends and I wish Luther's
belligerant bullying would stop.
chris <duckyfuzz@hotmail.com>
london, england - Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 01:43:22 (GMT)
So
Hezza's heart attack was in no part due to the stresses and strains he endured
riding roughshod through the working class with the aim of smashing its organisations
to pieces. Slightly more of a crime than killing a fox I think.
Dickie
(Not) Billericay, UK - Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 01:40:05 (GMT)
A
girl asks her boyfriend to come over Friday night and have dinner with her parents.Ź
Since this is such a big event, the girl announced to her boyfriend that after
dinner, she would like to go out and make love for the first time. Well, the
boy is ecstatic, but he has never had sex before, so he takes a trip to the
pharmacist to get some condoms. The pharmacist helps the boy for about an hour.
He tells the boy everything there is to know about condoms and sex. At the counter,
the pharmacistŹ asks the boy how many condoms he'd like to buy:Ź a 3-pack, 10-pack,
or a family pack. "I'm really going to give it to this girl," the boy tells
the pharmacist. "I intend to plug every orifice in her body at least twice."
The pharmacist, with a laugh, suggests the family pack, saying the boy will
be rather busy, it being his first time and all. That night, the boy shows up
at the girls parents house andŹ meet his girlfriend at the door. " Oh I'm so
excited for you to meet my parents,come on in! "Ź The boy goes inside and is
taken to the dinner table where the girl's parents are seated.Ź The boy quickly
offers to say grace and bows his head. A minute passes, and the boy is still
deep in prayer with his head down. 10 minutes passes and still no movement from
the boy. Finally, after 20 minutes with his head down, the girlfriend finally
leans over and whispers to the boyfriend, " I had no idea you were this religious.
" The boy turns, and whispers back, " I had no idea your father was a pharmacist."
Remember Young Love ?
- Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 01:32:05 (GMT)
WHAT
IT'S NOT THE 11TH? DAMN!!!!
keri
- Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 01:21:47 (GMT)
Sorry
Den, I must disagree with you. What happened to PC was not misfortune it was
an accident that occured because he was taking part in an odious pursuit. His
injury is easily avoided: don't ride roughshod through the countryside in pursuit
of a fox with the aim of having it torn to shreds, and you won't run the risk
of falling from your horse. I wouldn't have laughed at Hessa's heart attack
or any genuine tragedy/misfortune, but Charlie's circumstance smells of poetic
justice! If we as socialists cannot celebrate any blow (however small) against
the 'system' then I think it's very sad. Too many socialists have had their
sense of humour surgically removed and replaced with a double dose of earnestness.
dyl
- Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 01:21:27 (GMT)
Hi
Keri. Just a flying visit. I've got one or two other problems to sort out. Like
moving this site. I see the date here is wrong again.
Bragg Office
- Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 01:21:04 (GMT)
morning
toby.
keri
- Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 01:12:34 (GMT)
Seems
we're back after another unexpected technical switch at our web hosts. Keep
watching, cos we'll be moving hosts in the next few days.
Bragg Office
- Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 01:08:28 (GMT)
test
test
- Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 01:07:27 (GMT)
one-two-one-two.
Keith Joseph smiles and a baby dies in a box on...Seems fine to me.
Dickie
(Not) Billericay, UK - Tuesday, January 09, 2001 at 13:09:31 (GMT)
just
testing that young whippersnapper PeteW out here...give me the best three lines
from John Cooper Clarke's Beasley Street
steve
- Tuesday, January 09, 2001 at 10:32:13 (GMT)
Den
- Laughing at the misfortunes of the ruling class is very socialist and unavoidable
if you are a socialist. Shame it wasn't his frigging neck!
Dickie <paintmeinthatlightanyday>
(Not) Billericay, UK - Tuesday, January 09, 2001 at 09:46:44 (GMT)
It
is not enough for journalists to see themselves as mere messengers without understanding
the hidden agendas of the message and the myths that surround it.
John Pilger <www.johnpilger.com>
- Tuesday, January 09, 2001 at 08:53:16 (GMT)
elicit.
Tettland
- Tuesday, January 09, 2001 at 08:49:43 (GMT)
Luther:
If you have nothing more constructive to say about Carol's (alleged) political
allegiances other than sling mud and personal insults then I suggest you piss
off somewhere else. Debate not insult (though you do elciit the desire from
others to do the later about you).
Tettland
- Tuesday, January 09, 2001 at 08:49:04 (GMT)
Dyl,
the point being? I used to go to college many years ago with someone who crowed
about the fact that he would always remember the day he graduated because it
was the same day Heseltine had a heart attack. Laughing at other people's misfortune,
no matter who they are or how much you despise either them or what they believe
in or stand for, is not socialist; it's not productive and, most importantly,
it's the sort of dull-witted and predictable response that gives ammunition
to those who want to paint all anti-hunting (or whatever) campaigners in the
same light.
Den <deniskerr@pinfold23.fsnet.co.uk>
- Tuesday, January 09, 2001 at 00:30:07 (GMT)
Talkin
'bout my g-g-generation...
Pete Townshend
- Monday, January 08, 2001 at 23:56:24 (GMT)
That
was ssupposed to be protested.
Carol
- Monday, January 08, 2001 at 23:43:51 (GMT)
I said the Black Caucus made me proud to be an American because they stood up
to the US legislature and oritested an illegal election. The only ones to do
it. Just to clarify what everyone else knows I said. Somebody is a fool. Somebody
is a liar. Wonder who.
Carol
- Monday, January 08, 2001 at 23:42:39 (GMT)
I'm
proud to be an American, where at least I know I'm free. And I won't forget
the men who died who gave that right to me. And I gladly stand up next to you
and defend her still today. 'Cause there ain't no doubt I love this land. God
Bless the U.S.A.
Lee Greenwood <a.k.a. Carol Tarlen>
- Monday, January 08, 2001 at 23:36:42 (GMT)
...surfed
to some "NO LOGO" links on Google. Seems this book is hitting similar themes
you'd find in Adbusters or in The Baffler or Tom Franks' books.
Jeff <dwellej@aol.com>
Dayton, OH, USA - Monday, January 08, 2001 at 22:32:46 (GMT)
I
think the Black Caucus were awesome when they protested the electoral college
vote. They made me proud to be an American. If Medea Benjamin, the California
Green candidate for the senate, had won, then their protest would have been
recognized. I voted for her! She is one green that I like. (I voted for Nader,
too.)
Carol
- Monday, January 08, 2001 at 20:58:50 (GMT)
Hi
any one know where to get good Billy bragg mp3s from mail me please
Ben Andrews <benandcharles@lineone.net>
Richmond, England - Monday, January 08, 2001 at 20:55:20 (GMT)
twat
1. n. A minge. Also twot. 2. Stupid person. 3. v. To hit; beat up. according
to viz magazine
nevski
- Monday, January 08, 2001 at 20:51:47 (GMT)
Hi
Kim, I know Auchmountain Road I lived up the Grievie as we call it!! I was back
in Scotland to see ma wee mammy and daddy and I'm just back to work. Hope everyone's
well. Have we reached a conclusion as to the new guestbook thingy yet? can we
have a pink one?? Plleeeeeeeaaaaaaseeeeee ta ra !!
Jennifer <j_mcghee@yahoo.com>
Greenock earlier but now back at work in Hillingdon, UK I suppose - Monday,
January 08, 2001 at 20:46:15 (GMT)
ho
hum! yawn! and off he goes again!
Brian
London, UK - Monday, January 08, 2001 at 20:43:06 (GMT)
Well
that was a conversation killer.
derik
- Monday, January 08, 2001 at 20:33:28 (GMT)
http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=twat
how do you define "twat"?
- Monday, January 08, 2001 at 19:56:30 (GMT)
ive
given this some serious thought, and i would rather be a liberal than a twat...
and yes that is a personal insult if anyone was wondering.
nevski <cant wait to
get a reply to this one>
- Monday, January 08, 2001 at 19:38:10 (GMT)
and
the pissing match begins again...
keri
- Monday, January 08, 2001 at 19:19:42 (GMT)
But
we already know what group you belong to, Carol: http://www.uusf.org/ And don't
call yourself a leftist -- you're a goddamned liberal.
Luther Gaylord
- Monday, January 08, 2001 at 19:05:54 (GMT)
I
no longer give Luther information that he can use against me to twist around
for his own ridiculous purposes. I actually feel sorry for him. He and is coherts
are sad people who have nothing to do but harass other leftists. Sorry Luther,
but I will never tell you what group I belong to.
Carol
- Monday, January 08, 2001 at 19:03:40 (GMT)
the
ouija board skids over to 'goodbye'
keri
- Monday, January 08, 2001 at 19:02:59 (GMT)
Now
we know what group Carol belongs to, but I'm still waiting for Barbara to answer
the following questions: (1) If you believe that vandalizing McDonald's is wrong,
why don't you also condemn vandalism against the Detroit News and Detroit Free
Press? (2) Having battled the bosses "on the ground" as you did, why aren't
you opposed to capitalism? Why are you unable to extrapolate from your experiences
during the Detroit newspaper strike a broader perspective against capitalism
in general? Why don't you see capitalism for the unjust, exploitative system
it is?
Luther Gaylord
- Monday, January 08, 2001 at 18:57:06 (GMT)
Naomi
Klein is great. They reprint her columns in CommonDreams NewsCenter - http://www.commondreams.org/
- I'll have to find her book.
Barbara
- Monday, January 08, 2001 at 18:53:27 (GMT)
it
has to be about the evils of bookstore chains.
keri
- Monday, January 08, 2001 at 18:47:06 (GMT)
Those
Unitarians are sure dedicated to the overthrow of the capitalist system, aren't
they Carol? You're such a radical!
Luther Gaylord
- Monday, January 08, 2001 at 18:46:42 (GMT)
What
did your mate say?
Jessica
- Monday, January 08, 2001 at 18:23:46 (GMT)
my
mate from work is quoted in NO LOGO.
keri
- Monday, January 08, 2001 at 18:22:23 (GMT)
Bowling
Alone is about the breakdown of social relations in the U.S. "Putnam shows how
we have become increasingly disconnected from family, friends, neighbors, and
social structures, whether the PTA, church, recreation clubs, political parties,
or bowling leagues. Our shrinking access to the "social capital" that is the
reward of communal activity and community sharing is a serious threat to our
civic and personal health. "
derik
- Monday, January 08, 2001 at 18:13:13 (GMT)
I've
just started No Logo, having bought myself it for christmas.....nothing too
spectacular yet...
pete w <hardcoretim@yahoo.com>
- Monday, January 08, 2001 at 18:03:48 (GMT)
Has
anyone read the book NO LOGO by Naomi Klein? Or BOWLING ALONE by Robert D. Putnam?
I am thinking of putting them on my to be obtained list of books.
derik
- Monday, January 08, 2001 at 18:02:07 (GMT)
At
least I'm not a Lutheran.
Carol
- Monday, January 08, 2001 at 17:41:44 (GMT)
That's
what I figured, Carol. You don't want to answer because the group to which you
belong is actually the Unitarian Church.
Luther Gaylord
- Monday, January 08, 2001 at 17:16:39 (GMT)
I
don't understand British justice. I think Denise Carr was defending herself
when she bit that brutes testicle off. Women of the UK Unite! This one deserves
a song by the Asian Dub Foundation at least. (Maybe Shane MacGowan would be
more appropriate.)
Carol
- Monday, January 08, 2001 at 16:58:28 (GMT)
http://193.117.250.165/news/uk/story10.htm
Ouch, but I bet the Judge was male !
- Monday, January 08, 2001 at 16:50:16 (GMT)
finally
a topic i can sink my teeth into.. damon albarn... *sigh*
keri
- Monday, January 08, 2001 at 16:40:22 (GMT)
Morning
Joe, I mean Luther. Please refer to my post of January 8, 00:53:23. You have
my answer. On a another note, I found out this weekend that friends of mine
were held up at gunpoint in a park here in San Francisco (in daylight). The
gunman held a gun to their 10 year-old son's head and demanded their wallets.
Four years ago, when my grandson was 12, another kid held him up with a loaded
gun. I am a strong proponent of gun control. Anyone who isn't is collaborating
with criminals.
Carol
San Francisco, - Monday, January 08, 2001 at 16:40:16 (GMT)
I
don't think the Dems are doing much of anything. I hope they're marshallng their
opposition to Ashcroft and Linda Chavez but they're probably figuring out which
corporations to sell out to next. (adjusting their prices to 2001 levels?)
Barbara <thankgodimnotcynical@home>
- Monday, January 08, 2001 at 16:33:36 (GMT)
Any
info about Bill's appearance at the Blake exhibition at the Tate Modern much
appreciated. I'm sure the "part of Blur" who is also appearing is Damon Albarn.
Actually he's just about OK imho...
Pete Crook
- Monday, January 08, 2001 at 16:32:20 (GMT)
yes,
that was funny. I liked when Gore said "the court THANKS you!" You're right,
I suppose the dems are finding some other ways to nullify Bush. Biding thier
time maybe. At least I hope that's what they're doing.
Jessica
- Monday, January 08, 2001 at 16:30:41 (GMT)
DICKIE:
I've tried mailing you a couple of times on your rphproductions@hotmail.com
address but they keep coming back to me. So if the offer of help still stands,
please mail me at the address below.
Tettland <tettland@hotmail.com>
- Monday, January 08, 2001 at 16:29:31 (GMT)
morning
jessica-- but wasn't it a riot when gore said "the rules care!" i don't think
they're turning their backs... the battles haven't even started yet.
keri
- Monday, January 08, 2001 at 16:18:19 (GMT)
Carol:
On Monday, January 01, 2001 at 19:42:24, you claimed membership and participation
in a group which is dedicated to building a collective and visionary society.
What is that group?
Luther Gaylord
- Monday, January 08, 2001 at 16:15:00 (GMT)
Good
morning everyone. Carol, isn't it sad that the members of the Black Caucus couldn't
find one senator to sign thier form contesting the 25 Florida electorals? The
democrats in the senate are too worried about thier own political careers. They
are turning thier backs on us.
Jessica
- Monday, January 08, 2001 at 16:14:26 (GMT)
Sorry.
I didn't realise that the "Freedom Highway" documentary on Friday night was
only to be shown on BBC Scotland. If it is ever shown south of the border it
is worth a look. It is not the most in depth documentary I have seen, and Billy
is only on for a few minutes, but it was quite an enjoyable way to spend 90
minutes.
Graham
Edinburgh, - Monday, January 08, 2001 at 15:50:48 (GMT)
Hi
there, Just read in my paper that Billy Bragg will be doing a closing performance
of the William Blake exhibition at the Tate Modern, in collaboration with a
part of Blur and ... sorry, forgot it. Anyway,don't know which side my newspaper's
on - for giving correct concert information, that is. Karl
Karl <nevermind>
Leuven, Belgium - Monday, January 08, 2001 at 15:45:01 (GMT)
morning
carol... how's your power bill? how is att as an isp? do you have the 4.95 a
month plan? i need to get a new isp--as cheaply as possible.
keri
- Monday, January 08, 2001 at 14:38:56 (GMT)
Sonj:
I don't count ruins as castles. Only the kind that have a living lord in them
count. The unoccupied kind are historical landmarks. I still would like to see
Portchester in the light. Someday maybe. Keri: The answer is no, but I plead
the fifth on principle. Good morning all. If anyone is reading this who is from
San Francisco, there will be a protest at the SF Civic Center on January 20th
at noon. Remember, Bush stole the election and the only legislators to put up
any protest were the Black Caucus. Thank god, allah, buddha, marx, etc. that
somebody in America has the guts to stand up for democracy and the right to
vote.
carol <ctarlen@att.net>
San Francisco, - Monday, January 08, 2001 at 14:35:57 (GMT)
A
little boy goes to his Dad and asks, "What's politics?" Dad says, "Well, Son,
let me try to explain it to you this way...I'm the breadwinner of the family,
so let's call me 'Capitalism.' Your Mom...she's the administrator of the household,
so we'll call her the Government. "We're here to take care of YOUR needs, so
we'll call you 'The People.' The nanny, well, she works hard all day for very
little money, so we'll consider her 'The Working Class.' "And your baby brother...we'll
call him 'The Future.' Now, think about that and see if it makes sense." So
the little boy goes off to bed, thinking about what his Dad has said. Later
that night, he hears his baby brother crying, so he gets up to check on him.
He finds that the baby has severely soiled his diaper. So the little boy goes
to his parents' room and finds his mother sound asleep. Not wanting to wake
her, he goes to the nanny's room. Finding the door locked, he peeks into the
keyhole and sees his father in bed with the nanny. He gives up and goes back
to bed. The next morning, the little boy says to his father, "Dad, I think I
understand the concept of politics now." The father says, "Good, Son...tell
me in your own words what you think politics is all about." The little boy replies,
"Well, while Capitalism is screwing The Working Class, Government is sound asleep,
The People are being ignored, and The Future is in deep shit."
Politics Explained
- Monday, January 08, 2001 at 14:33:23 (GMT)
tettland...
i think she'll spot you a pint.
keri
- Monday, January 08, 2001 at 13:54:30 (GMT)
Keri:
cheers for the badge (they're the new black, don't you know!). I might meet
up with Erin if she contacts me for a pint, though, am a bit broke at the mo'.
Tettland <tettland@hotmail.com>
- Monday, January 08, 2001 at 13:45:51 (GMT)
Of
course, you can read some of Bill's thoughts on England and Englishness on this
very site: http://www.billybragg.co.uk/words9.html. I personally am very impressed
with the way he has siezed on this issue. Racist, my arse.
Pete Crook <petecrook@bigfoot.com>
London, England - Monday, January 08, 2001 at 13:31:02 (GMT)
i
can verify that carol didn't see any castles! we did pop over to portchester
but we didn't quite get there before it got dark:)
sonj <@home on 'garden leave'>
still waiting to get my redundancy in writing, - Monday, January 08, 2001 at
13:17:34 (GMT)
To
back you up Andy, it's not like he's being vague either. The imagery of the
phrase 'Anglo-hyphen-Saxon' couldn't be clearer and it's an optimistic open-armed
message.
chris <duckyfuzz@hotmail.com>
london, england - Monday, January 08, 2001 at 13:03:00 (GMT)
I
went to the Liverpool gig and have followed Billy's Englishness rap for some
time. The heckle that Billy received was unfair and inaccurate. He didn't use
racism or class to get his point across, on the contrary, he spoke of how we
mustn't allow the racists or those with class agendas to dictate what Englishness
means. If we fail to impress on the English race the need to have an identity
which doesn't exclude the reality of multi-culturalism and our necessary part
in the European Union, we will have lost out to those who would see our country
left out in the cold for the sake of blind patriotism. That's how I see it anyway.
Cheers, Andy.
Andy Tyrrell <andybragg237@yahoo.co.uk>
Grimsby, England - Monday, January 08, 2001 at 12:58:33 (GMT)
fans
of Mark Thomas may enjoy this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk_politics/newsid_1106000/1106142.stm
chris <duckyfuzz@hotmail.com>
london, england - Monday, January 08, 2001 at 12:56:31 (GMT)
actually,
he's pointing outward like uncle sam with the quote.. 'luther wants you to answer
his questions.' sure i can put one in the post for you--is that north london?
the major question now... everything or raisin, toasted or not, veggie or plain.
see ya when i get to work.
keri
- Monday, January 08, 2001 at 12:44:48 (GMT)
You've
got me now, Keri, I'm in the library reading up on dolphin societal behavior
and getting more and more excited, until they have to throw me out just to save
the furniture. Can I have a 'Luther' badge? Is he pointing outwards, like Lord
Kitchener on War recruitment posters?
chris <duckyfuzz@hotmail.com>
london, england - Monday, January 08, 2001 at 12:34:09 (GMT)
well
CHRIS, i think you should take a trip down to the local library and research
'how dolphins work.' it sounds like a delightful story though. CAN'T REMEMBER
WHO PUT THIS ONE... ok it's not stocking it's stalking...and well, if you're
in doubt whether to leave marxist quotes for you neighbor then i recommend not
do it. i asked and found out that indeed smacking my co-workers would result
in a battery charge. (damn you NYPD) TETTLAND--i will send your luther badge
with erin next week when she makes her debut in denmark. you two must meet up
for a pint! CAROL-are you now or ever been a member of the communist party?
ha ha...
keri <nomilkformytea.>
- Monday, January 08, 2001 at 12:00:07 (GMT)
Alternatively
(He said letting his thin revolutionary veneer slip) you can contact me at the
e-mail address below and I would be happy to organise it for you.
Dickie <rphproductions@hotmail,com>
(Not) Billericay, UK - Monday, January 08, 2001 at 11:56:34 (GMT)
Tettland:
Contact the Labour Party HQ (Millbank)elections office and they will take your
details and send the appropriate paperwork - You don't even have to promise
to vote for them.
Dickie <rphproductions@hotmail.com>
(Not) Billericay, UK - Monday, January 08, 2001 at 11:51:20 (GMT)
Steve
why? To be honest, I was happy with the genders, I just lost the prose and can't
recapture the vibe. Also how do I make the dolphin want to seduce the woman,
when I don't know how dolphins work? (excellent! newbies will be totally perplexed
finding this on a Billy Bragg fans' discussion forum)
chris <duckyfuzz@hotmail.com>
london, england - Monday, January 08, 2001 at 11:39:54 (GMT)
Tettland:
Who you contact depends on your circumstances. If you have an address in the
UK where you were/are registered to vote contact that local councils returning
officer for a postal or proxy vote. I'm just checking what you do if you have
no address...hang with me old chap...
Dickie <rphproductions@hotmail.com>
(Not) Billericay, UK - Monday, January 08, 2001 at 11:25:38 (GMT)
Chris,
make it that the Dolphin is male and wants to seduce the women, who comes to
feed him, then you have a start
steve
- Monday, January 08, 2001 at 11:23:47 (GMT)
George
said..."anyone go to the liverpool concert? Is Billy taking his 'Englishness'
too far, undertones of a 'racist' nature?"/ george.. - Monday, January 08, 2001
at 07:50:34 (GMT).. ...Steve said, George, fuck off and get a life you sad politically
correct arse wipe...actually you are probably a nice guy..thanks Tett for that
I have forwarded it to the www.positiveatheism.org..web site..thanks Carsten,
Im pleased you liked that film Carol, another great one is seacoalers with my
old mucker in it Ray Stubbs one of the real great blues men from the Gateshead
Delta..what about the Cumberland Arms in Byker PeteW, I saw that young kid in
there playig when he was 8 years of age, awesome he was..
steve
- Monday, January 08, 2001 at 11:21:08 (GMT)
Keri:
Yes, it was great - about an urban woman who repeatedly dreams she's a man seducing
and fucking a dolphin in the Irish sea. Problem is I've tried to re-write it
and it's rubbish, so gutted. I'd vainly imagined it being one of those cover-mounted
mini books attached to the front of a womans magazine... Pete W: (adopting a
Luther tone) Oh you know nothing about the work of the baker, Greggs is miles
better than Baker's Oven, you just weren't committed enough to value a freshly-made
egg mayonnaise sandwich! We'll never overthrow the sliced-white with Baker's
Oven idiots like you around!
chris <duckyfuzz@hotmail.com>
london, england - Monday, January 08, 2001 at 11:15:23 (GMT)
Can
anybody tell me what I need to do to make sure I get my vote at the next UK
general election? Who I need to contact etc.?
Tettland
Copenhagen, Denmark - Monday, January 08, 2001 at 09:20:03 (GMT)
Steve:
here's grist to your mill as regards religion and the abuse of the young. http://www.guardianunlimited.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,419211,00.html
Tettland
- Monday, January 08, 2001 at 08:41:39 (GMT)
George:
I wasn't at the Liverpool concerts but I'm intrigued to know what Billy said
for you to ask that question? Billy has been on a "What does Englishness mean?"
kick of late, which is a valid question for a socialist to be asking in the
face of right wing race-baiting and jingoism.
Tettland
- Monday, January 08, 2001 at 08:36:30 (GMT)
Luther:
Change the fucking record, will you! Have you ever thought that your constant
haranging and baiting of people makes them less inclined to to debate with you?
Debating with people is a 100 times more effective than attacking them. Can
I claim my "I've pissed of Luther Gaylord" badge yet? :)
Tettland
- Monday, January 08, 2001 at 08:31:28 (GMT)
anyone
go to the liverpool concert? Is Billy taking his 'Englishness' too far, undertones
of a 'racist' nature?
george
- Monday, January 08, 2001 at 07:50:34 (GMT)
I'm
still waiting for Barbara to answer the following questions: (1) If you believe
that vandalizing McDonald's is wrong, why don't you also condemn vandalism against
the Detroit News and Detroit Free Press? (2) Having battled the bosses "on the
ground" as you did, why aren't you opposed to capitalism? Why are you unable
to extrapolate from your experiences during the Detroit newspaper strike a broader
perspective against capitalism in general? Why don't you see capitalism for
the unjust, exploitative system it is?
Luther Gaylord
- Monday, January 08, 2001 at 05:14:17 (GMT)
So
who is going to the fake inauguration? I'm still on the fence - I waited too
long for cheap air fares and I'm not sure I want to take the bus. We still may
jump in the car and go.
Barbara <idoloveagoodprotest@ournationscapital>
- Monday, January 08, 2001 at 04:26:21 (GMT)
so
does anyone know how much trouble could i get into if i were to send daily marx
quotes to the canadian alliance (christian right)member in my hood? is it stocking?
kicker <kickerlib@yahoo.ca>
ontario, canada - Monday, January 08, 2001 at 02:35:05 (GMT)
Pete
W: My main objective in going to North Shields is to see you play! Rrrrrock
'n rrrroll!
Carol <ctarlen>
- Monday, January 08, 2001 at 02:00:50 (GMT)
Jennifer
from Greenock: I've got an old friend named Janice from Greenock...she used
to live on Auchmountain Road, probably moved away by now...cool to see your
post, though....Steve, easy there, boy.
Kim <grrrlkim@community.hipmama.com>
Indiana, USA - Monday, January 08, 2001 at 01:32:25 (GMT)
well,
if you ever make it to north shields, make sure you get to see the Fish Quay
Festival in May...it's usually fantastic, especially if asian dub foundation
play alongside Pogues tribute bands :)
pete w <hardcoretim@yahoo.com>
- Monday, January 08, 2001 at 01:30:29 (GMT)
Pete
W: What I want to see when I visit somewhere is how real people live and work--I
avoided castles and the crown jewels on my last trip. North Shields seems to
be going through the same process that San Francisco is going through--building
condos that cost about $750,000 in neighborhoods that are very poor and displacing
the original residents. So if and when I get to your part of the world, I will
explore the real life of the real people. I don't think of yuppies as real people.
Carol
- Monday, January 08, 2001 at 01:16:19 (GMT)
Carol,
North Shields is very picturesque (from the river at least) and full of heritage
and stuff, but the view and the heritage hardly compensate for large chunks
of it being amongst the most deprived areas in britain, and won't stop the riverside
you saw in the film being converted into trendy yuppie flats (as parts already
have been) only yards away from scenes of poverty on a "Beasely Street" scale.
pete w <hardcoretim@yahoo.com>
- Monday, January 08, 2001 at 01:01:38 (GMT)
I
am under no legal or moral obligation to reply to Luther's question. The demand
that people name organizations they belong to or once belonged to has an ugly
history in my country. For those of you who are unfamiliar with this, you may
read this article from Victor navsky's book Naming Names: http://www.english.upenn.edu/~afilreis/50s/navasky-social-costs.html.
Carol
San Francisco, - Monday, January 08, 2001 at 00:53:23 (GMT)
On
her deathbed, Gertrude Stein asked, "What is the answer?" Hearing no response,
she then asked, "Very well then, what is the question?" Then.. she died. Too
bad Luther wasn't there -- he could have supplied her with one question at least.
Sian
- Monday, January 08, 2001 at 00:52:20 (GMT)
Carol:
On Monday, January 01, 2001 at 19:42:24, you claimed membership and participation
in a group which is dedicated to building a collective and visionary society.
What is that group?
Luther Gaylord
- Monday, January 08, 2001 at 00:05:35 (GMT)
Hi
Northern Teen: No, I am the one to apologize. That was just my geographical
ignorance. People who don't know better call San Francisco "Frisco." I promsie
to do better next time. I hope to make it up to the Teeside and the Tyneside
and North Shields and Durham and Newcastle some day, Marx willing.
Carol
San Franicsco, - Monday, January 08, 2001 at 00:04:25 (GMT)
For
tunes on mobiles, go to mymobile.com or something like that, but don't do it
on Monday at 11:10pm, as you'll miss the first episode of the EXCELLENT Mark
Thomas Comedy Project on UK Channel 4.
Jon
Bristol, UK - Sunday, January 07, 2001 at 23:35:33 (GMT)
"....OOOOOOOH,
the Geordies went to Rome just to see the Pope, the Geordies went to Rome just
to see the Pope, and this is what he said ..... Who's that team they call the
Boro, who's that team they all adore? And they're wearing red and white and
they're f***ing dynamite and we'll all support the Boro forever more...and we
hate Geordies ,we do, Tee-Tee-Tee-ssiders." - Football chant. no offence anyone.
just banter
Northern Teen
- Sunday, January 07, 2001 at 21:52:10 (GMT)
Hello
to you too Carol. But remember, people from Teesside aren't Geordies. People
from Tyneside are Geordies. People from Wearside are Mackems. And people from
Teesside (like moi) are Teessiders...or "smogs" as we have been cruelly nicknames
by our mackem and geordie "friends" up the coast. B@stards. It is, of course,
possible that you were fully aware of this and was just trying to wind me up.
If this is the case, I apologise. I don't want to sound like luther. ha ha ha.
oh, but no offence to you luther. thanks for checking out that site, and you're
right! it was a man with long hair! i'd presumed it had been some gun-wielding
charlton heston-loving maniac woman...but it was a man. but thanks for proving
my suspicions on his political state of mind. bye
Northern Teen
- Sunday, January 07, 2001 at 21:48:59 (GMT)
How
DO you get tunes from the internet onto your mobile phone? I'm eager to learn
how. And then i'll soon be in search of a site that offers that good old Boro
tune "the Power game". aaah. memories of ayresome park
Northern Teen
- Sunday, January 07, 2001 at 21:46:09 (GMT)
Definite
(hopeful) payback for the Gills against Chelsea, Nevski. I am trying to get
our tickets for the postponed Tranmere game traded in for this. Still ultimately
a Tottenham fan, mind you·
Pete Crook
- Sunday, January 07, 2001 at 20:05:23 (GMT)
does
anyone know if i can get the boro pig bag tune and The power game tune,sent
to my mobile phone.
Donna Poulton <n.tart1@ntlworld.com>
teeside, england - Sunday, January 07, 2001 at 19:42:05 (GMT)
pete
C... payback time for the gills :-) ... my final posting on this list about
football.
nevski
- Sunday, January 07, 2001 at 19:41:57 (GMT)
Carol:
On Monday, January 01, 2001 at 19:42:24, you claimed membership and participation
in a group which is dedicated to building a collective and visionary society.
What is that group?
Luther Gaylord
- Sunday, January 07, 2001 at 19:31:48 (GMT)
FA
Cup round 4: And now it's Gillingham v Chelsea (go! go! go! Gills), and Tottenham
away to either Charlton (my Dad's team) or Dagenham. Don't you both love and
hate the influence that sport has on your life...
Pete Crook
- Sunday, January 07, 2001 at 19:31:12 (GMT)
How
greedy can you get??? - If you want to know what sort of money the boys at Man
Utd make, take a look at this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport/hi/english/football/teams/m/man_utd/newsid_1104000/1104954.stm
Carsten
- Sunday, January 07, 2001 at 19:21:21 (GMT)
About
six months ago I asked the guestbook if they could help me identify a film about
fishermen in North England and a young woman who accompainies them on a trip.
Steve directed me towards Amber Films and gave me their web address. I purchased
a video of it(p[aid extra to have the format transfered to US compatible)and
last night I watched with friends from Hebden Bridge (in San Francisco for 6
months). What a lovely lovely, real Geordie movie it is. It takes place in North
Shields, and I am so jealous of you, Pete W, because you get to live there.
So thank you, Steve, for directing me to the right place, and for the rest of
you in the UK, check out this film: In Fading Light. And hello to Northern Teen,
another Geordie on the guestbook.
carol <ctarlen@att.net>
San Francisco, - Sunday, January 07, 2001 at 19:05:34 (GMT)
Re:
Billy Bragg MP3s. Have a look at http://www.egroups.com/message/billy-bragg/840
Luther Gaylord
- Sunday, January 07, 2001 at 17:53:53 (GMT)
Nevski
- were you really there at Bournemouth for the Gills ?
Pete Crook <petecrook@bigfoot.com>
London, England - Sunday, January 07, 2001 at 17:34:26 (GMT)
Ben:
try napster.com, download and do a search for billy's stuff. Avoid the stuff
you can make off of cd yourself as it tends to be of lesser quality than a cd
to mp3 conversion (of course it also means that royalties arent paid too). There
are tonnes of taped than copied to mp3 bragg material available at napster.
Of course this presupposes Napster doesnt offend your sensibilities. -k
karl <karl@coramnobis.com>
Crayola Town, USA - Sunday, January 07, 2001 at 16:30:34 (GMT)
aaaaah,
the baker's oven - kicks the crap out of Gregg's :) Steve, I've never played
the pheasant (yet) and these days i try to avoid it on account of it being filled
with people i went to high school with and their terrible white-boy metal/funk/sub-Offspring
punk tribute bands... We played a completely shambolic and drunken set in the
Tut'n'Shive in town a couple of nights ago - at the end i forgot what i was
supposed to be playing, screamed into the mic a bit, dropped to the floor and
started knocking the strings of my guitar against the speaker cab of the marshal
stack i'd borrowed.....rrrrroccckkkkk :)
pete w <hardcoretim@yahoo.com>
- Sunday, January 07, 2001 at 15:30:27 (GMT)
Steve,
once you're on the page (say for BB records) scroll over to the RIGHT - not
down, until you see a button that says "order", click on it for an order form.
Carsten
- Sunday, January 07, 2001 at 13:19:56 (GMT)
Ben,
there are rare ones available at Braggtopia! - http://www.webone.com.au/~bragg
Mark Warner <bragg@webone.com.au>
Braggtopia!, - Sunday, January 07, 2001 at 11:33:52 (GMT)
Hi
anyone know where to get billy bragg mp3s from
Ben Andrews <Benandrews1@care4free.net>
Richmond, England - Sunday, January 07, 2001 at 11:01:56 (GMT)
Yes,
Sonja. What about a bootleg of the brilliant copenhagen gig?????
Tettland
- Sunday, January 07, 2001 at 10:50:56 (GMT)
Billy
Merchindise...www.tcbinc.co.uk....how the hell do you order once your there
though
steve
- Sunday, January 07, 2001 at 10:01:33 (GMT)
I
agree Siobhan, most of the chefs I worked with were Bullies,some of the galley
or kitchen fights I witnessed were aweful, although most of my working time
was spent NOT in there company,on the cruise ships most of them were alcoholics,
14 years ago I escaped the trade and earned some real money being the shameless
capitalist pig I am..I still make an awesome fresh cream Choux bun mountain
covered in Ganache fudge though, Simon, the Bakers Oven doon the bay, many a
time I chased those spotty herbert kids off the door, probably that upstart
PeteW.....had some good nights doon the Pheasant in North Shields on band night,
the last time I wa talking to this geexer sitting at the back on his own, he
was eating a massive pizza he offered me some...I went to the bar and someone
told me it was Hilton Valentine from the animals....eeeeeeeee when I was a lad
pet..Geoff, I went down to stafford market this morning and picked up a twin
cassette deck and 12 albums on tape for $35..bargain or what
steve <fat pig priest
sanctamonious smile>
you take the money we take the lies, - Sunday, January 07, 2001 at 09:56:30
(GMT)
I'm
still trying to convince Pam that she should teach Tressell and LeGuin to the
mindless little sheep in her charge. :-)
Luther Gaylord
- Sunday, January 07, 2001 at 07:21:01 (GMT)
Siobhan,
I teach 15-19 year olds. As for curriculum, there is no such thing as a national
curriculum in the USA. In Ohio, while there are a set of target skills for which
all students must pass an exam before graduating, the manner in which a school
district decides to teach those skills is its choice. Some districts have strict
guides all teachers must follow which outline what must be taught, how, and
in what order. Others simply give teachers a graded course of study listing
what skills must be taught and mastered at which level and leave it up to the
teacher what materials and methods are used to teach them. Funding varies greatly
from district to district as most of the schools' money comes from property
taxes. Hence, the more valuable the property in a district, the more funds those
schools receive to educate the pupils. I spend a lot of time banging my head
against a wall because I can't get more than a class set of textbooks when I
have three classes at that level. Needless to say, many of the teaching materials
I use were purchased by me. I teach what I am required to teach and don't have
much freedom to choose teaching materials due to lack of district finances,
so I've used Chaucer to throw in some feminist principles and Steinbeck to awaken
some sense of working class solidarity.
Pam
- Sunday, January 07, 2001 at 04:58:30 (GMT)
you
walked into that one.
'lil michael
- Sunday, January 07, 2001 at 04:29:59 (GMT)
"Who
the fuck died and made Steve God?"
Michael
- Sunday, January 07, 2001 at 04:27:37 (GMT)
does
anyone know any good billy b. merchandise sites?
scott <yossarian@apexmail.com>
kansas city, united states - Sunday, January 07, 2001 at 03:15:40 (GMT)
What
age kids do you teach Pam? And is your curriculum dictated by government (as
it is over here)?
siobhan
- Sunday, January 07, 2001 at 03:07:48 (GMT)
Yes,
the educational systems of both the UK and the USA have done a good job of teaching
the children to be good little citizens and consumers.
Pam
- Sunday, January 07, 2001 at 02:33:20 (GMT)
I
can assure you that there are no mad chefs in the Bakers Oven in Whitley Bay.
But they make canny cheese pasties...
Simon
- Sunday, January 07, 2001 at 01:55:41 (GMT)
Steve
- as you know, most people simply aren't bothered enough or are too frightened
to protest on such a scale. Ask most people for a definition of socialism and
they couldn't tell you what it is. We will never see a revolution in the UK.
The simple fact is that the vast majority of people are conditioned to conform
with the system. The reality is that the power of the state lies with capitalists,
and the state owns officials that make the rules by which most people have to
abide. Most people are just trying to get through life without losing their
home and having enough to spend.
Simon
UK, - Sunday, January 07, 2001 at 01:52:36 (GMT)
Steve,
I think I knew you'd worked in catering and I know it's a generalisation but
nearly all the chefs I've worked with have been mad. The head chefs especially
are bullies. One bloke I worked with used to punch his commies regularly. He
knocked one out once. I'm usually in the walk-in hiding from the pastry chef
:)
siobhan
- Sunday, January 07, 2001 at 01:44:45 (GMT)
I've
just seen that Prince Charles has broken his shoulder falling from his horse
whilst fox hunting. Excuse me but I can't write any more I'm laughing too much!
Dyl
- Sunday, January 07, 2001 at 01:14:42 (GMT)
Jeff
in answer to your question, no people who have been Knighted (made a Sir) cannot
sit in the House of Lords. To sit in the Lords (pre-Reform) you needed to either
inherit a title (ie Duke of Bedford), or be made a Peer at the nomination of
the Crown or Government. Our honours system is quite wide ranging - and a given
out in 2 tranches: New Year and the Queen's birthday. Anybody can receive one
of the honours, but only British citizens can receive a Knighthood and use the
title 'Sir'. Spielberg for example will not be Sir Steven Spielberg.
Dyl
- Sunday, January 07, 2001 at 01:12:45 (GMT)
Snderland
0 v 0 Crystal Palace....(:(
damn
- Sunday, January 07, 2001 at 00:22:04 (GMT)
It's
pretty obvious that the majority of working people don't care about revolution/socialism/anarchy
or even Luther for that matter..(:)..I'd like to say the revolution is round
the corner, but it isn't is it, so could someone please explain to me(other
than saying the working class are stupid and blinkered and sheep like) tell
me why there hasn't been a revolution in times os severe hardship, which is
surely the time it is most likely to happen.
steve <scratching
his arse in the walk in fridge >
among other things, whats that waitress doing in there - Sunday, January 07,
2001 at 00:20:43 (GMT)
Siobhan,
after leaving school(1972) I was a Confectioner(pastry Chef) for 12 years, and
book on what goes on in walk in fridges is in the making..
steve
- Sunday, January 07, 2001 at 00:17:02 (GMT)
Sorry
Micahel, but that ALLEDGED Jonh Lydon quote is not in any way Racist.please
listen to rotten radio at www.eyada.com and listen for yourself...you can download
a media thingy to listen to it free
steve
- Sunday, January 07, 2001 at 00:14:05 (GMT)
what
is it with this message board and football? oh by the way, bournemouth 2 gillingham
3. and yes, i was there. up the gills
Nevski
- Saturday, January 06, 2001 at 22:36:06 (GMT)
FA
Cup Round 3: Leyton Orient 0 Tottenham Hotspur 1. Fair play to the Os, and I
have a lot of respect for the club and its fans. And by all accounts (and I
wasn't there) we were lucky to get away with it. But it's 2001, and if we're
not going to Wembley, Cardiff will be just fine.
Pete Crook
- Saturday, January 06, 2001 at 17:57:03 (GMT)
where
did hand washing come in? I'm not obsessive, honest. I'm down to twenty a day.
My super new bathroom has power pumped frothy water so my neighbours must wonder
what is going on as a noise like the bilbao ferry burst through our adjoining
walls throughout the day. What does go on in the walk in freezer ?
sonj <just passing through>
- Saturday, January 06, 2001 at 16:56:54 (GMT)
chris--
did you write the short story about sex with a dolphin?
keri
- Saturday, January 06, 2001 at 15:19:11 (GMT)
luther,
smashing windows at macdonalds iwont bring down capitalism. u think they dont
have to 'pay' another capitalist company to come fix them? if you participate
in this waste of resource (its not exactly green to produce more glass....)
you are simply adding to the money-go-round that is our 'capitalist' economy,
unless of course you know a glazing company which operates to your ideology.
NAME THAT GLAZIER. and if anyone replies with 'paul micheal' it wont be in the
slightest bit funny. Honest.
nevski <p.s
dont bother answering this post i cant be bothered to read anymore of your shit>
- Saturday, January 06, 2001 at 09:29:53 (GMT)
And
for Carol: On Monday, January 01, 2001 at 19:42:24, you claimed membership and
participation in a group which is dedicated to building a collective and visionary
society. What is that group?
Luther Gaylord
- Saturday, January 06, 2001 at 05:55:48 (GMT)
I'm
still waiting for Barbara to answer the following questions: (1) If you believe
that vandalizing McDonald's is wrong, why don't you also condemn vandalism against
the Detroit News and Detroit Free Press? (2) Having battled the bosses "on the
ground" as you did, why aren't you opposed to capitalism? Why are you unable
to extrapolate from your experiences during the Detroit newspaper strike a broader
perspective against capitalism in general? Why don't you see capitalism for
the unjust, exploitative system it is?
Luther Gaylord
- Saturday, January 06, 2001 at 05:55:27 (GMT)
Aren't
we all lovely and polite tonight? Just a note Steve on handwashing. I had a
woman film me washing my hands at work the other night . She was from the internal
health and hygiene department and was filming the practices in the restaurant
kitchen. It made me doubt my own hand washing abilities and I expect I will
be sent for some new training soon. If only she knew what goes on in the walk-in
fridge.
siobhan
- Saturday, January 06, 2001 at 03:28:35 (GMT)
fair
enough, Michael. i appreciate you taking time to answer politely. cheers mate
Northern Teen
- Saturday, January 06, 2001 at 02:30:07 (GMT)
Northern
Teen ö For the sake of clarification, and closure, I'll be happy to make myself
a liar and post again on this topic. Mainly because I may have offended you
and someone you look up to. The 1997 quote is not the one I personally have
a problem with, except for when Lydon states, "Who the fuck died and made them
God?" It assumes that his entire audience is homogenized and that no one of
color is privy to his insight. As far as the misquote goes, I don't have real
audio, so the only way I'd know what he actually said is in written form. Besides,
as my deaf uncle would say, "I've got shipyard ears." This goes without saying,
but keep in mind Northern Teen, this is just one man's opinion. Cheers.
Michael
- Saturday, January 06, 2001 at 02:15:53 (GMT)
SPOT
ON STEVE!!! Rotten Radio is brilliant isn't it? Oi! Michael! Let's not end this
subject until you explain how the hell this quote is racist: "I'm rather bored,
seeing how rap originated and what it's become now, listening to black guys
say white people shouldn't listen to or make rap music. I find that disgusting.
Who the fuck died and made them God? Apart from anything, it's a rather ignorant,
naive view of how rap began anyway..." And until you answer, I will assume that
you're an up the arse political correctness type. PS. the other quote was actually
a misquote. you can actually listen to the interview (if you've got good hearing)
on real audio. i'll come back with the address later
Northern Teen
- Saturday, January 06, 2001 at 01:37:42 (GMT)
I
don't like that other page at all. That orange is so harsh
Lawrence Llewellyn-Bowen
- Saturday, January 06, 2001 at 01:30:20 (GMT)
Actually
Steve, to be clear, I'm the only individual to cry racism with regards to Rotten,
and I did so with specific reference to the following quotes which appear on
the BB Guestbook; "I'm rather bored, seeing how rap originated and what it's
become now, listening to black guys say white people shouldn't listen to or
make rap music. I find that disgusting. Who the fuck died and made them God?
Apart from anything, it's a rather ignorant, naive view of how rap began anyway..."
in 1997, and "I think that rap recovered the punk spirit, but only when it comes
from the black districts or the American ghettos. The European white cannot
improvise rappeurs. Eminem is only one stupid and unimportant clown. His music
does not have anything revolutionist." 2001. Call me an "up the arse political
correctness type" if you must, but please refrain from attributing my statements
to the masses. This is my last post on this subject. Jon D, nice stamps.
Michael
- Saturday, January 06, 2001 at 01:18:39 (GMT)
No,
you have to be a lord to sit in the H.O.L. (or a lady or a baroness or a duke
etc.). Being made a knight in the honours list doesn't mean much really. You
can't pass on the title and not that I mix in those circles but I think its
considered gauche and nouveau to use it in everyday life. I can't imagine Bob
Geldof does or that Spike Milligan will.
siobhan
- Saturday, January 06, 2001 at 01:08:33 (GMT)
my
cynical high point of 2000, was the amount of people from around the world and
uk who misunderstood Billy Elliot..."Ballet, friggin Ballet".....hahahahahaha
steve
- Saturday, January 06, 2001 at 01:07:46 (GMT)
Heres'
a question for the English here...I understand famous people (like Elton John,
firinstance) can get "knighted" and be called "Sir". Can they also sit in the
House of Lords?
Jeff <dwellej@aol.com>
Dayton, OH, USA - Saturday, January 06, 2001 at 00:28:56 (GMT)
Its
hilarious that happy little bunny land and house owners on here critise other
corporate companies like Man Utd...the hypocrisy abounds
steve <thickgeordiebastard@the
beach>
www.positiveatheism.org, - Saturday, January 06, 2001 at 00:23:43 (GMT)
Luther's
point that if Barbara hadnt been given help during a strike then maybe revolution
would follow is inaccurate,historically in times of extreme poverty and hardship
this revolution never happened either...as Ive said before people don't give
a fuck, and the internet will never start a revolution that will change the
world
steve
- Saturday, January 06, 2001 at 00:21:04 (GMT)
oh
and on New Years Eve, I was in bed by 11pm reading Yevgeny Zamyatin's We, finished
off witgh the cartoon strip book, Beau Peep, New Years eve, another ritual day
to be forgotton, new years day I went to see a blues gig down china town, I
would like to say I was down the soup kitchens stitching buttons on homeless
peoples shirts but I wasnt...and siobhan was you hands now, touching Alan Sunderland's
curly perm, at least his surname was right
steve
- Saturday, January 06, 2001 at 00:15:35 (GMT)
HAHAHAH...you
daft arses, Johnny Lydon is never a racist, read his autobiography, listen to
his own radio show broadcast from his front room, he is fairly well informed
and never lost his sense of humour, as soon as he mentions white or black all
you up the arse political correctness types assume he is being racist, grow
up will you, tell me one white person that can sing reggae as good as Burning
Sear or Gregory Isaac?..Johnny Lydon(Rotten) must be one of the most misunderstood
people in the music business, Don't forget he was responsible for opening a
lot of doors and he did change the course of music and a lot of peoples attitudes,...he
is an easy target for shallow, narrow inded assumptious wankers...Luther you
should know better....Public Imag Limited's fiorst three albums are still awesome..tracks
like Pop Tones, Careering, Religion and Death Disco, no-one gets near him...go
to www.eyada.com and click on Johnny Rotten and you can choose which show to
download and listen to, often funny, typically rotten, just him being him no
frills no clever smart arse intellectual bullshite..open your minds people and
lets hope your arse doesnt follow..here are some of the subjects Jon Lydon discusses
on his radio show sorry if this is too long...... Rotten Radio with Johnny Rotten
August 05, 2000 MORE INFO ....... John welcomes Ben Fong-Torres, music writer
and author of "Not Fade Away: A Backstage Pass to 20 Years of Rock & Roll."
Activists Scott Beibin, Laurie Apple and Andrew Kennis discuss issues, events,
and their treatment in Philadelphia during the GOP Convention. Col. Ronald D.
Ray, a highly decorated combat veteran and author, discusses his experiences.
Mike Gray, Chairman of Common Sense for Drug Policy (www.csdp.org) and author
of "Drug Crazy," talks straight........... Rotten Radio with Johnny Rotten July
29, 2000 MORE INFO Let Her Speak! John discusses the sexual state of the union
with sexpert Susie Bright and prepares for a trip to the GOP Convention with
fraud investigator Barry Zalma, who was also a Special-Agent-In-Charge of the
U.S. Army Intelligence Corps (USAIC). Plus, John talks to Lester O'Shea, author
of "A Cure Worse Than the Disease."........... Rotten Radio with Johnny Rotten
July 22, 2000 MORE INFO Johnny talks to Ann Monroe, author of "The Word: Imagining
the Gospel in Modern America," and David Post, co-founder and co-director of
the Cyberspace Law Institute and editor of ICANNwatch.org........ Rotten Radio
with Johnny Rotten July 15, 2000 MORE INFO Johnny talks to Farai Chidaya, political
analyst and author of The Color of Our Future, and John Clifton, the Libertarian
candidate for New York State Senator.......... Rotten Radio with Johnny Rotten
July 08, 2000 MORE INFO Penelope Spheeris has directed 16 films, including Wayne's
World, Senseless and Decline of Western Civilization I, II, & III. David Hollist
is a former Libertarian candidate. David Peel covers "Anarchy in the USA."......GO
JOHNNY GO
Steve <johnquays@optusnet.com.au>
brisbane/sunderland, - Saturday, January 06, 2001 at 00:09:23 (GMT)
Shhhhh
Boggy, I'm trying to bore Luther to sleep - he's been more than a little testy
today and he could probably use an early night... what about that weather eh?
shocking. Oh did I ever tell you about my Stamp Collection - I've got a penny
black and a penny red and one from trinidad with a butterfly on it... and another
penny red... wait another two.... etc. etc.
Jon D
- Saturday, January 06, 2001 at 00:03:39 (GMT)
Over
on the testguestbook, Bogues has submitted a photo, looks a lot like out Mr
Crook! Any chance that Pete, Bogues and Larry Kirwan are related? Is that serious
enough?
Jon <Seperated at Birth@SorryPete!>
Bristol, UK - Friday, January 05, 2001 at 23:55:01 (GMT)
Michael,
I hope to god not!
Jon
Bristol, UK - Friday, January 05, 2001 at 23:52:51 (GMT)
Someone
call a Doctor ! this Forum has a serious dose of hypothetical pedantry. Someone
please post about something that matters.
Boggy <Not bloody likely>
Calgary, Republic of Canada - Friday, January 05, 2001 at 23:40:54 (GMT)
Jeff.
That was Frankie Vaughn who went to Hollywood, he was a sort of low budget British
version of ol' blue eyes [bit like Cliff Richards being the British Elvis Presley]...
he sang a song called 'Stockport' that was something like 'New-York', I never
worked out if he was deliberately trying to play it for laughs or not.
Jon D <joinedup@yahoo.co.uk>
- Friday, January 05, 2001 at 22:38:54 (GMT)
Unions.
On the way home today I saw this big new billboard adjacent to a construction
site for a new "Builders Square"***It had one of those circle-slash symbols
saying NO SHOPPING. On the top and bottom it read "THIS IS A UNION-FREE ZONE"
& "COURTESY THE DAYTON BUILIDING TRADES COUNCIL". Nice to see the unions are
making a statement here. Unions are still a big deal in this town.
Jeff <dwellej@aol.com>
Dayton, OH, USA - Friday, January 05, 2001 at 22:10:43 (GMT)
Two
Tribes and Relax where the part of the soundtrack to my days in Northern California
in the '80s. I think Franky really did go to Hollywood (he played the Hollywood
Bowl?) in 1984 or '85. Actually those tunes still sound pretty good.
Jeff <dwellej@aol.com>
Dayton, OH, USA - Friday, January 05, 2001 at 21:57:53 (GMT)
Jon
- Could you be thinking of "land of Confusion" by Genesis?
Michael
- Friday, January 05, 2001 at 21:44:34 (GMT)
Bogues,
ta for the correction, but was I dreaming when I saw Gorby in the video or was
that a spitting image 'remake'?
Jon <DuckAndCover>
Bristol, UK - Friday, January 05, 2001 at 21:26:05 (GMT)
heyyy
- Relax and Two Tribes are great songs....if you find yourself incapable of
app-rexciating them in a normal context, try geting hammered and dancing to
Frankie at a disco with a manic grin on your face... and the new guestbook really
hurts my eyes, in fact i can't read it very werll because of the colour scheme.
Maybe it's cos i'm colourblind.....
pete w <hardcoretim@yahoo.com>
- Friday, January 05, 2001 at 20:26:34 (GMT)
Jon
- Chernenko, not Gorbachev (aaaah, those happy "we're all going to get blown
to radioactive bits" days of my youth).
Boguespierre
- Friday, January 05, 2001 at 19:43:36 (GMT)
Emeine
should be ignored; just like a bad sunburn, he will shrivel off.
James
- Friday, January 05, 2001 at 19:28:58 (GMT)
A
few years ago in jolly old england, a rather rude song called relax was banned
on national radio, and tv, by a dj called Mike Read. This record, Relax by Frankie
goes to Hollywood, went to number and stayed for a while. Not long after the
band released a video for 2 Tribes which featured Reagan and Gorbochov (sicbwc)
rasslin, the video was banned but the tune duly went to number 1 and stayed
for a while. Both tunes sucked big time, but proved that no matter how crap
a product is, censorship like that only draws attention to it. If Emeineimime
got banned, play it more.
Jon
Bristol, UK - Friday, January 05, 2001 at 19:24:56 (GMT)
There
is a documentary on BBC2 tonight featuring a Billy Bragg interview (as mentioned
by Graham from Edinburgh) but unfortunately it is only on on BBC2 Scotland -
boo hoo!
Brian
London, UK - Friday, January 05, 2001 at 19:20:07 (GMT)
If
McDonalds workers smashed the windows in their workplaces, I would support them.
And yes, Chris, that is my last word.
Carol <ctarlen@att.net>
San Francisco, - Friday, January 05, 2001 at 19:16:22 (GMT)
Acts
of vandalism only call attention to themselves and detract from the cause or
injustice being addressed. It is well known that the CIA would subvert various
left leaning organizations with agitatiors encouraging them to comit acts of
vandalism and violence in an effort to discredit them. Luther, as Pete Seeger
asked, "Which side are you on?" What are you trying to call attention to?
james
- Friday, January 05, 2001 at 19:15:53 (GMT)
And
one final question, Barbara: Did striking workers and their sympathizers vandalize
newspaper boxes during the strike, or not? How are those acts of vandalism any
different from smashing the front window of a McDonald's? Help me to see the
difference, won't you?
Luther Gaylord
- Friday, January 05, 2001 at 19:06:44 (GMT)
Neither
side has the courage not to have the last word.
chris <duckyfuzz@hotmail.com>
london, england - Friday, January 05, 2001 at 19:06:21 (GMT)
Just
answer the fucking question, Barbara: Why aren't you opposed to capitalism itself?
Why don't you see it as an unjust, exploitative system which must be overthrown?
Luther Gaylord
- Friday, January 05, 2001 at 19:03:33 (GMT)
Victimizing
a bunch of minimum wage workers - and that's who ultimately pays the price of
your pointless vandalism - is not a radical act. They take the cost of the replacement
window out of the operating costs not out of the shareholder returns or the
bonuses or salaries of the corporate end, you complete twat. Who is the CEO
of McDonalds? When you march up to his/her front door, then you're making a
little sense. As far as generous strike benefits go, you sound exactly like
the international union leaders who let their workers lose everything and did
they get more radical? No, they left the struggle. You sound just like James
P. Hoffa! Good job. And Luther, you need to leave grade school and all of it's
negative special hurtful meanings to you behind. You are a grown man and school
is over. It's over Luther.
Barbara
- Friday, January 05, 2001 at 19:01:50 (GMT)
That's
a good point, Jessica. I was reacting to Barbara's post at 17:28:13, and you're
right that it's not productive. But I'm tired of being attacked by Barbara and
Carol because of our fundamental political disagreements.
Luther Gaylord
- Friday, January 05, 2001 at 18:57:54 (GMT)
Luther,
how is continually attacking some online, wasting the valuable time you could
be smashing windows or fixing old Macs for activists, being radical? Barbara's
"elementary school" rebutal illustrates how you are turning people AWAY from
the cause. Now that's not being very productive, is it?
Jessica Jolly
- Friday, January 05, 2001 at 18:37:37 (GMT)
Only
middle class nonworking twats smash boxes.
Carol Tarlen
- Friday, January 05, 2001 at 18:33:10 (GMT)
It
must be really exhausting being Luther Gaylord. He must have to go to bed early,
because he's spent the whole day being angry. Sometimes I get out of bed all
cross in the morning - probably because I had a horrible nightmare and forgot
it, so I don't know the source of my anger. When that happened I'm yawning by
three in the afternoon. Perhaps that's why Luther's posts get steadily more
wound-up as the day goes on, he's running around busily being a Socialist and
he has no time for a pint or a smile. Just before Christmas my bag got pinched.
No money went but in it there was lyric book which also contained a rude short
story about sex with a dolphin. So now I'm too embarrassed to go in the pub
from which the bag was stolen, in case the thief is a regular and all his mates
have read it and they all think I'm a freak. How come Luther doesn't feel like
that every time he posts?
chris <duckyfuzz@hotmail.com>
london, england - Friday, January 05, 2001 at 18:32:40 (GMT)
Ahem.
I was *correcting* a mistake, Michael, not trying to cover it up. Jesus Christ.
Luther Gaylord
- Friday, January 05, 2001 at 18:32:13 (GMT)
Jan,
I don't think banning offensive material works. Entertainers like Eminem will
always be popular, and censorship wonāt make him change his ways. Inform the
students what has happened and let them decide how to approach the issue. Smashing
news boxes is a very anti-worker tactic (unless the workers are on strike and
it is a scab paper). Unionized drivers deliver papers to these boxes and pick
up the money in the boxes--they usually pay for the papers themselves. Only
middle class nonworking twats smash boxes. It is another form of censorship.
I have asked these masked demonstrators not to do it because it just hurts the
drivers, but of course, since they hare twice my size and half my age, they
ignored me. They are sexist, ageist and anti-worker. No socialist should support
these kinds of faux radicals.
Carol <youknowwhoIam>
- Friday, January 05, 2001 at 18:30:45 (GMT)
Is
there a way to manage this guestbook in such a way that prevents people from
duplicating posts to simply cover up mistakes? Doing so may cause people to
put more thought into their messages.
Michael
- Friday, January 05, 2001 at 18:30:07 (GMT)
You've
never answered the question of why you're not opposed to capitalism, Barbara,
except to say "If Luther is a socialist, then I know I don't want to be one."
That's not an answer. That's a primary-school insult.
Luther Gaylord
- Friday, January 05, 2001 at 18:22:20 (GMT)
You've
never answered the question of why you're not opposed to socialism, Barbara,
except to say "If Luther is a socialist, then I know I don't want to be one."
That's not an answer. That's a primary-school insult.
Luther Gaylord
- Friday, January 05, 2001 at 18:21:45 (GMT)
Smashing
windows at McDonald's is destruction of corporate property. It's akin to smashing
up newspaper boxes, or putting metal slugs in the slots so that they won't function.
But you've never done that, now have you Barbara?
Luther Gaylord
- Friday, January 05, 2001 at 18:19:43 (GMT)
Luther
change the record. I have answered the question. Live with the answer I have
given you a thousand times. Quit bothering the people on the guestbook because
you hate me. Make a friend. Leave the house. Get a hobby. Breathe some air.
Barbara
- Friday, January 05, 2001 at 18:18:16 (GMT)
Jan:
tell the students it's happened. You do a newspaper, surely the Exec (if it's
still called that) aren't doing it in secret - ask those e-chomping sex-obsessed
little gibbons who subsidise the union meetings what they think. Also, what
do you mean by 'banned'? Surely he wasn't planning to play live there? Does
that mean a student can't play his CD on campus, or Mathers doesn't get played
at the club? Ooh no posters! Just seems so pitiful, since the boy Mathers won't
give a fuck and if he did turn up the students - including Union staff - would
go mad to see him and get his autograph and treat him like royalty! Actually
I'd love it if the record label phoned the University and offered an exclusive
free show in your bar and signing session in your canteen, just to see how long
the 'ban' lasted.
chris <duckyfuzz@hotmail.com>
london, england - Friday, January 05, 2001 at 18:15:15 (GMT)
And
you still haven't answered the question, Barbara: Why aren't you committed to
overthrowing the capitalist system? Why won't you address the root of the problem?
Luther Gaylord
- Friday, January 05, 2001 at 18:14:10 (GMT)
As
for the accusation that I have "attacked" Bill: One person's valid criticism
for going soft is another person's attack, I suppose.
Luther Gaylord
- Friday, January 05, 2001 at 18:13:11 (GMT)
Luther,
that really is the stupidest thing you've ever said.
Barbara <andthatssayingalot>
- Friday, January 05, 2001 at 18:10:25 (GMT)
But
perhaps if you hadn't been so "well taken care of" during the strike -- if you
had lost one of your cars or been in danger of losing your home -- you might
have been made to see capitalism for the exploitative system it is. And then
you might be committed to overthrowing it.
Luther Gaylord
- Friday, January 05, 2001 at 18:08:41 (GMT)
I
reckon the new guestbook doesn't look as safe and clean, although it works fine.
Perhaps you could colour it just like the current one, so that we'd all feel
comfortable. Good show, though, it wouldnb't chase me away.
chris <duckyfuzz@hotmail.com>
london, england - Friday, January 05, 2001 at 18:06:28 (GMT)
Luther
you poor sad man, I have always admitted to be well taken care of during the
strike. All strikers should be taken care of like that. I also worked very hard
and earned that money. So bite me.
Barbara <whatssoradicalabouttalkingaboutsmashingwindows?>
whatssoradicalaboutinsultingbillybraggwhohasbeenyourfriend?, whatssoradicalaboutmailbombingpeopleyoudisagreewith?
- Friday, January 05, 2001 at 18:00:53 (GMT)
Hi
Toby - the UBB function on the prototype guestbook is nice, but the whole thing
doesn't seem as cosy as here...
Boguespierre
- Friday, January 05, 2001 at 17:42:00 (GMT)
Northern
Teen, that page scared the shit out me. I did like the celebrity gun-grabbers
section though, full of dead people and defunct bands. eeek
Barbara
- Friday, January 05, 2001 at 17:40:43 (GMT)
It's
a shame that we can't trust Billy Bragg fans -- especially those who have lived
through recent strikes -- to be more politically radical. But we can't. Perhaps
it has something to do with bringing home more money per month in strike funds
than you were making at your job, eh Barbara?
Luther Gaylord
- Friday, January 05, 2001 at 17:40:13 (GMT)
It's
a shame we can't trust Billy Bragg fans -- especially those who have lived through
recent strikes -- to be more politically radical. But, well, we can't. Perhaps
it has something to do with bringing home more money per month in strike funds
thank you were making at your job, eh Barbara?
Luther Gaylord
- Friday, January 05, 2001 at 17:38:28 (GMT)
I
was at the Dec 30th 'Bottom Line' early show, and it was Great! Worth going
out in the Snow for! I loved the Woody stuff, but it was nice to see Billy singing
Billy again! ***********who ever has the "bootleg" from the Dec 31st Bottom
Line show, please send me info on how to get it!!!!!! I want it! Thanks!
Mike <mmtwenty3@aol.com>
NY, NY, USA - Friday, January 05, 2001 at 17:35:33 (GMT)
I
have a Mac and have no problem loading this page. I do have a cable connection
though. If you remove the guestlog the abuse will begin again. It's a shame
we can't trust people on this board to be honest but we can't.
Barbara
- Friday, January 05, 2001 at 17:28:13 (GMT)
I'm
running a University newspaper in the North of England and the Union, without
consulting the student body have banned Eminem. What do you think?
jan <warmporch@hotmail.com>
- Friday, January 05, 2001 at 17:08:17 (GMT)
Hi
Carol, I didn't read your message before I posted...
Carsten
- Friday, January 05, 2001 at 17:05:42 (GMT)
Toby,
the new look guestbook seems alright. However, I do believe that having no ip
tracking option will pose problems as it did in the past (which is why the guestlog
was introduced in the first place, wasn't it?). Am I just being an old cynic
by assuming that those problems will return?
Carsten <threadsareunnecessary!>
- Friday, January 05, 2001 at 17:03:41 (GMT)
The
guestlog of IP addresses has greatly reduced the amount of hatred and fake messages
that used to dominate this page (and still do, but at least that is done under
posters' own identities). Please do not do anything that would change this,
Toby. By the way, if people find what I say offensive, at least I have never
attempted to hide my identity. Please, please, Toby, leave things the way they
are.
Carol <ctarlen@att.net>
San Francisco, - Friday, January 05, 2001 at 16:47:47 (GMT)
If
you want a real glimpse into that particular illiterate nutball's life -- how
he loves guns, heavy metal, and semi-naked women but hates his father -- visit
http://www.angelfire.com/pa3/wpp/Mystory.html. I'll never understand why people
like that are just *bursting* to share every intimate, boring detail of their
lives with complete strangers.
Luther Gaylord
- Friday, January 05, 2001 at 16:12:30 (GMT)
Northern
Teen: The webpage you pointed us to belongs to a man, not a woman. He does look
like a woman in many of the photos, however, so I can understand how you were
mistaken. And yes, he is an ultra-conservative. But you'd be surprised how many
people JUST LIKE HIM there are here in Amerika. It's frightening.
Luther Gaylord
- Friday, January 05, 2001 at 16:10:07 (GMT)
OK,
we're not talking about threaded messages here - I appreciate the peculiar anarchic
charm of this guestbook as much as anyone. All that would happen is that after
a certain number of posts a new page would be generated automatically. This
would be more merciful on those with slower connections and/or old browsers,
as well as easier for me. Oh, to hell with it, you can see an early version
of it here - http://www.billybragg.co.uk/cgi-bin/ugb.cgi - try posting a few
messages to test it. However, as I said earlier, the problem is that the script
doesn't track IP addresses. Some may consider that a problem. As for threaded
discussions, we ARE considering adding threaded bulletin boards with some fairly
sophisticated features. But that would be in addition to the guestbook, not
in place of it.
Bragg Office
- Friday, January 05, 2001 at 16:08:31 (GMT)
ok
my vote NO THREADS. i like this format. tettland... just make sure miss erin
buys me lots of postcards of denmark... oh denmark. i wanna go!
keri
- Friday, January 05, 2001 at 15:11:56 (GMT)
Carol,
the trains are still dreadful! However if i'm going to be a housewife for a
while i can minister to alberr's every need as he staggers back from the station
and we won't be eating as many take aways so he should get a bit healthier.
My new multi cooker is still working brilliantly and tonight i will have a healthy
bean casoulet ready for him (or i could just heat up that jar of waitrose tuscan
bean soup:)
sonj
- Friday, January 05, 2001 at 14:50:06 (GMT)
Den,
I really wish that I could just drop the subject and don't mean to offend but
I have to ask; Do *you* consider Lydon's statements posted here to be racist
or merely mistakes? Do you think John Rocker is a bigot or did he simply commit
an error in the media? Where shall I draw the line?
Michael <isthiswherethepartyends@standbyyourracistfriend>
- Friday, January 05, 2001 at 14:46:21 (GMT)
Toby--the
page loads fine and fast for me, and it always has. I just have a regular telephone
line connection, too. I think it may have to do with people owning Macs. I have
always preferred PCs myself, and now I feel smug. I prefer one big page with
no threads. Alberr-I am so glad you still have a job. I am sure you deserve
one! Are the trains up and running yet? Sonja--you must figure out how to get
online more. We all miss you, and it is very difficult on our psyches to constantly
worry about your appliances with no news.
Carol
San Francisco, - Friday, January 05, 2001 at 14:29:52 (GMT)
Finally,
before i go back to day time tv, Is there by any chance a bootleg of the amazing,
fantastic, brilliant Copenhagen gig ?????????
sonj
- Friday, January 05, 2001 at 14:19:08 (GMT)
Toby,
as you know i am keen to have the BBgb available via cable tv as there are no
online costs, but not to the detriment of the quality for everybody else. I
love the way loads of 'threads' run simultaneously on here so i am not keen
on the idea of separating out the contributions. If you are paying for online
time it takes ages anyway to open different pages. much better to wiz thru the
lot in one go. If we do end up with threads i'll bet appliances will be the
most popular:)
sonj <just catching up.>
- Friday, January 05, 2001 at 14:12:24 (GMT)
thanks
for the tip off graham
sonj
- Friday, January 05, 2001 at 14:05:05 (GMT)
Yet
another request...I feel like I'm taking liberties with the very nice people
on this message board. There's this personal webpage (I love reading them) by
this woman that I've found, and guess what, I think she's a bit of a fascist,
but I've been talking to this other person who reckons she's not. Take a look
at this page of her web site: http://www.angelfire.com/pa3/wpp/American.html
... and then take a look at the rest of her web site: http://www.angelfire.com/pa3/wpp/
... and see what you think. It makes interesting reading (particularly if you're
American). The biggest clue might be the "Charlton Heston is My President" badge
she's got up! But tell me if you think i'm being about overreative, because
i signed her guestbook and feel like a prick now. Cheers guys!
Northern Teen
- Friday, January 05, 2001 at 14:04:22 (GMT)
Good
News... alberr has still got a job despite his old agedness, until july at least.
Much as i would love him to retire and be a househusband he earns loads more
than me (even supposing i earn anything!) so total poverty is staved off, for
a while anyway. No news about my job but i have got 'gardening leave' next week:)
Thank you everybody who has left us messages of support!!
sonj
- Friday, January 05, 2001 at 14:04:14 (GMT)
toby...as
a suggestion for a reformatting of the GB, how about a page that distinguishes
different threads? It can get tough to follow some discussions with this current
format. There are some good examples at jamestheband.co.uk, worldparty.net and
morrissey-solo.com
Robert <donttrythis@home>
USA - Friday, January 05, 2001 at 13:43:35 (GMT)
According
to today's press there is an interview with Billy tonight at 11:20pm on BBC2
in a program called Freedom Highway. It is a documentary about the role of songs
in civil and religious protest.
Graham
Edinburgh, - Friday, January 05, 2001 at 11:34:28 (GMT)
Didn't
mean to wake you - Shame really 1991 was a pretty good year.
Dickie
- Friday, January 05, 2001 at 11:08:47 (GMT)
What
about the tour dates for 2001 Toby?
Dickie <Soon be 1960 again>
(Not) Billericay, UK - Friday, January 05, 2001 at 11:07:26 (GMT)
Of
course that's tour dates for 2001. Sorry, still in hibernation.
Bragg Office
- Friday, January 05, 2001 at 11:00:04 (GMT)
And
on the subject of the guestbook, I've found another script that I'm rather fond
of - it provides better layout options, automatically generates new pages after
so many posts (eg 20), which would keep the file size and load time down, and
allows me to edit via a browser, without having to download the whole thing
via ftp, edit it and upload it again (with the risk of most recent posts being
lost). However, it doesn't have the same IP address tracking feature. Is this
considered essential by our regulars, or even non-regulars?
Bragg Office
- Friday, January 05, 2001 at 10:55:45 (GMT)
Just
a couple of responses to some posts here: JD, the guestbook was pruned yesterday,
and only includes this month's posts so far (admittedly already quite a few);
Woody - Pete's not back in the office yet so he doesn't know about the official
bootleg response; and David Barberich, tour dates for 1991 have not been decided
yet, but will be announced both on this site (click on Tour dates above), and
in the email newsletter we send out from time to time.
Toby @ the Bragg Office
- Friday, January 05, 2001 at 10:52:01 (GMT)
From
todayās Guardian, and I pass this on without knowledge of any further details:
ćA public memorial service will take place for the singer-songwriter Kirsty
MacColl at St Martin-in-the Fields church, Trafalgar Square, London, on January
20ä.
Pete Crook <petecrook@bigfoot.com>
London, England - Friday, January 05, 2001 at 09:56:17 (GMT)
The
1st "you" of my previous post was of course ERIN! This box is too small.
Tettland <tettland@hotmail.com>
- Friday, January 05, 2001 at 09:16:23 (GMT)
I
will get back to you as regards bars in Copenhagen (though I'm not a conneissuer
(? spelling police)). If you mail me privately I will send you some details.
Sonja: Are you wired for sound (& vision) yet? How about that, Cliff and Bowie
in the same line! :-)
Tettland
- Friday, January 05, 2001 at 09:14:33 (GMT)
Click
previous messages in the menu above.
Dickie
(Not) Billericay, UK - Friday, January 05, 2001 at 08:05:10 (GMT)
A
couple of days ago I saw an address here for a demonstration against the inauguration
on 20th Jan. Now that info seems to have disappeared. Can anyone help me on
this?
Irreverent Al <ire@disenfranchisment.org>
- Friday, January 05, 2001 at 04:32:28 (GMT)
Hello,
I would like tour dates for 2001, and to Discuss philosophy with Mr. Bragg.
I would have been at the Bottom Line, but I didnāt know about it. Please keep
me informed. I am, and have been, a big fan of Mr. Bragg for some years, and
would go most anywhere to hear him play, and most certainly to speak with him.
Best Regards
David
Providence, US - Friday, January 05, 2001 at 04:10:09 (GMT)
Peter
Jenner is the former manager of Pink Floyd, Jeff.
Luther Gaylord
- Friday, January 05, 2001 at 03:16:27 (GMT)
Whos'
Pete Jenner?
Jeff <dwellej@aol.com>
Dayton, OH, USA - Friday, January 05, 2001 at 03:02:07 (GMT)
Rap.
For me its' just missing a certain something...like melody.
Jeff <dwellej@aol.com>
Dayton, OH, USA - Friday, January 05, 2001 at 03:01:24 (GMT)
hi,
the new years gigs were fantastic and i booted all 3 shows. anybody wants to
trade, contact me off list at mhooker@optonline.net . i'm working on them now,
will take a week or more to refine them, but they already sound awesome.
mike hooker <mhooker@optonline.net>
- Friday, January 05, 2001 at 02:46:42 (GMT)
I'd
be very interested in your old videos, Woody.
Jessica <jessicajolly@lycos.com>
- Friday, January 05, 2001 at 00:04:28 (GMT)
To
clarify: I did speak with Pete Jenner the other nite in NYC and he seemed to
realize that it did turn out to be a good nite(NYE), as Pete knows I do keep
one eye normally crooked on this web forum(even if I don't post for weeks)to
keep up with whats transpiring. It was through that, that he suggested we pose
the question to you, the good people who enjoy Billy Bragg and his music; whether
there would be any interest in a bootleg.At this point in time Pete's just getting
back and I'm not quite sure if he knows of the little ground swell he's started
while he was in New York. Let me say, in addition to the New Years show, what
actually brought me into the fold is the videos I use to shoot of BB and Wiggy/Cara/Grant
back in the mid/late 80's and early 90's. At some point in time it may be of
some interest to those of you who want to see how the Bard played in those heady
days of Thatcher/Reagan.Fav moment #5: Billy singing "Days like These" in front
of the White House, acapella Oct 1988.
WoodyDee
- Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 23:58:43 (GMT)
Say
what you like about John Lydon but please don't call him racist. That comment
is patently ludicrous in light of his entire career and personal history. I
know he comes across as a bit of a bloated, beer-sodden charicature these days,
but don't let that blind you to the fact that he has produced some fantastic
music (PIL as much as the Pistols) and talked some much-needed truth and common
sense in the past twenty-odd years (As well as some, largely forgiveable, nonsense,
but then don't we all? Our mistakes just aren't widely quoted in the media).
Den
- Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 23:58:37 (GMT)
Damn,
this guestbook is slow to load - can't the bragg office prune it??
jd
- Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 23:50:55 (GMT)
So
no Glasto this year.I hope that all of you who jumped the fence last year are
pleased with yourselves. Michael Eavis is thinking of installing a moat with
pirhana next time. See you all at T in the park.
jeff
glasgow, - Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 23:15:52 (GMT)
So
no Glasto this year. I hope all of you who jumped the fence last year are pleased
with yourselves.Michael Eavis is considering a moat with pirhana next year.
See you all at T in the park
jeff
glasgow, scotland - Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 23:08:11 (GMT)
theory
is... tax cuts increase peoples spending power, meaning we buy more shit, which
means private enterprise can create more shit for us to buy.. then we all get
ill form this shit we have bought coz its toxic (probably) and suddenly find
we aint got an hospital in which to get better. then we die, and the capitalists
find theres fewer people to sell their shit to, so they put the price up, then
we all ask for more wages to buy the same shit, that called inflation, then
we find all the money in the wolrd isnt enuff to buy even just a little bit
of shit, so we die of shit starvation. end of the world. moral of this story,
take out private health care.
nevski <surreal anti
capitalist propoganda>
- Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 21:35:10 (GMT)
Does
anyone here know how massive tax cuts will stimulate the economy? I mean, what's
the theory that supports this? Won't many jobs be lost, and if so, won't there
be a recession, like there was during Reagan an Bush? I don't think the private
sector will hire me--they weren't interested in me during our recent boom, but
I got plenty of work in the public sector. As an older worker, in reality I
am the last hired and the first made redundant. To make this relevent to the
topic at hand, if I can't lose my job (and therefore won't get any tax breaks),
I will form a geriatric rap group. We will be of all racial groups and ethnicities
and sexes, and we definitely will be political. You can call me Grandmother
Flash.
Carol <ctarlen@att.net>
San Francisco, - Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 21:19:22 (GMT)
Lulu:
sorry to say this but it is a bit difficult to say that Public Enemy are not
Homophobic or sexist when they write songs such as "meet the G that killed me",
"Polly Wanna Cracker" or "Sophisticated Bitch" - shame really as they have also
wrote some of the greatest songs ever - Bring The Noize, Fight The Power,
Brian
London, UK - Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 19:21:29 (GMT)
no
glastonbury this year... awww. pasty, you think i wash dishes? ha ha!
keri
new york, - Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 19:10:21 (GMT)
After
reading the '97 racist Rotten rant again, I'm left wondering what he thinks
of Doctor Dre or Weird Al Yankovick.
Michael <sorrytoraponaboutthis@butifinditeyeopening>
- Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 19:08:04 (GMT)
Thanks
Robert! I will confess that I hardly ever, ever know the title of songs and
worse than that, I mess lyrics when I sing along, quite proudly, I admit! Thanks
for straightening that out for me. Now, what can you do about my blonde roots???
Keri, I'd rather dust than go through a divorce!! I'll make you a tea towel
if you promise not to use it to dry dishes :) Did you want the ends folded over
and starched?
Patsy, the *doh* girl <laffing@myself>
- Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 18:54:54 (GMT)
Lydon
contradicting himself - No kidding!
Jon D
- Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 18:38:28 (GMT)
New
year's eve was totally worth it. Though I was skeptical as many shows of late
(not Billy's) have been quite disapointing. My first time at the bottom line,
do they always shove so many people in? The table in front of me was shoved
into my ribs and I had no hope of getting up till the end. Not to mention being
surrounded by people whose knowlege of Bill seemed slim to none, but familiarity
with Stoli and soda was very great. Then when the opening singer started the
song about her dead dog, all I could think was what have I done, it's nye for
christ's sake. Once Billy hit the stage the mood was totally changed and I remembered
why I ventured out in NYC on NYE. A bootleg CD would be great, especially since
Billy read my comment and name.
Carrie
NYC, USA - Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 18:26:07 (GMT)
That's
a most interesting and contradictory quote when compared to what Sir John said
12 hours ago. As far as war goes, I believe Big Daddy Kane put it best... "War
ain't nothin' but a game on Atari."
Michael
- Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 17:48:36 (GMT)
Thanks
for the translation guys. I went to that translation site and did it myself
and got a pretty mashed up version of what he probably originally said, which
explains why it's a bit uncharacteristic. Because, here's a quote I have from
Johnny that he made in a magazine in 1997: "I'm rather bored, seeing how rap
originated and what it's become now, listening to black guys say white people
shouldn't listen to or make rap music. I find that disgusting. Who the fuck
died and made them God? Apart from anything, it's a rather ignorant, naive view
of how rap began anyway..." and also "people are madly, happily and willingly
accepting categories. Itās divisionalism; itās just all about separating people.
Itās insane. Thatās why there are wars, with attitudes like that. The ĪUs versus
Themā theory..." So there you have it. I believe Rotten isn't and never has
been a racist or (Barbara!) a homophobe. While his lyrics may not be "intellectual"
enough for Billy Bragg devoties, he has more musical creativity in his little
finger. Horses for courses, people, horses for courses.
Northern Teen
- Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 17:20:29 (GMT)
Lulu,
I'm not an apologist for any of Eminem's offensive comment. Of course you're
correct about poetry: TS Eliot was viciously anti-Semitic but he still wrote
the Wasteland. Oh and so are/were members of Public Enemy - who you hold up
as some sort of alternative to Mathers! You really think Flavor and Griff have
led exemplary lives? Also I didn't say Mathers was 'cutting edge' or 'revolutionary'
and I don't think anyone is fooled into thinking that except the detractors
- he's right in the heart of the mainstream, and when he berates other stars
it's safe in the knowledge that he's one of them. It's a game, stupid! Meanwhile
you should be careful about guessing the details of any celebrity's private
life, since you obviously get it from the newspapers. We know nothing about
the Mathers' real relationship - his Mother recently claimed that all the fights
with Kim are PR, for example! The violence contained in 'Stan' is rendered pitiful
and it has a strong morality-tale aspect. Finally, why did you include the phrase
'whiteboy' in your email address, is it your real address? Or perhaps a racist
diminuition of our subject?
chris <duckyfuzz@hotmail.com>
london, england - Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 17:13:10 (GMT)
hmmm....eminem
is a poet. maybe he is. one man's poet is another woman's abuser, no? (burroughs,
kerouac, de sade, james brown, george jones, tommy lee, etc.) i would argue
that eminem is as much a 'product' of the record industry as ms. aguleirra (sp?)
and ms. spears (and vanilla ice for that matter) that he loves to bash in song
and video. i would also argue that there are lots of more powerful, poetic and
important hip hop artists out there who give an amazing performance without
verbally assaulting queers and women and then going home to physically assault
their wives and publically trash their mothers. (source of labor, tribe called
quest, public enemby *duh*, common, to name a few and i'm not at all well versed
in hip hop). stan has been so well funded and promoted just because of his vitrolic
lyrics. why is that when a man trashes women and queers its seen as so 'cutting
edge'? why is it so 'revolutionary' and 'beautiful' to hear a boy whine? perhaps
i am just dense....i keep hearing the critics going on and on about him...but
he just bores me. he says nothing new. what is up with the critics sucking the
dicks of these hateful artists? outkast's 'stankonia' is another example to
be discussed at another time.
lulu <crymeariverwhiteboy@hotmail.com>
seattle, god bless america - Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 16:47:40 (GMT)
Lydon's
rap comments are as ludicrous as saying that white's can't sing reggae. Just
crazy.
scooter
- Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 16:36:03 (GMT)
Luther,
Just trying to help you relax mate.
scooter
- Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 16:22:04 (GMT)
I
think Eminem is a poet. His lyrics are rich, colourful and sometimes breathtaking
and I think he's an incendiary performer, too. One shouldn't even have to say
on this board that his colour and background have fuck-all to do with whether
he can do hip-hop. Lydon was being numb - and yes there are parallels in their
delivery. Right now Eminem is more important to the world's youth than the Sex
Pistols ever were. The guy's no Vanilla Ice - on Dre's album '2001', the arrival
of Eminem's writhing angry whinge lifts the whole record. He can outperform
Snoop, Chuck, Dre, even Busta Rhymes. And if 'Stan' has been over-praised, in
that idiot-filled daytime Radio 1 context around it, it's still a noticeably
striking, supple, complex thing.
chris <duckyfuzz@hotmail.com>
london, england - Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 16:10:07 (GMT)
Thinking
of waterfalls just makes me want to pee, Scooter.
Luther Gaylord
- Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 15:49:07 (GMT)
I
agree with Luther about Lydon (It is the New Year) I have no time for Eminem
either. Talent? I think not. Good marketing? Now we're on to something.
Dickie <rphproductions@hotmail.com>
(Not) Billericay, UK - Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 15:37:11 (GMT)
Luther,
the way you described it is exactly the way I understood it. Woody wanted to
know what interest there might be for such a CD. Now, repeat after me while
breathing deeply....waterfall.....waterfall....waterfall.
scooter
Baltimore, - Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 15:34:30 (GMT)
I
don't see a hell of a lot of difference between John Lydon and Eminem...and
anyway, John's opinions haven't been much to listen to for quite a while now.
And i like eminem. He's very talented and knows exactly what he's doing, alternating
between acerbic pisstaking and genuinely good songs like Stan. The only problem
is his meathead fans....
pete w <hardcoretim@yahoo.com>
- Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 15:24:19 (GMT)
John
Lydon is brilliant? What planet are you from, Stephen? I've never seen Lydon
as anything but an attention-starved egomaniac -- a grown up class clown. What
about him do you think is "brilliant" exactly?
Luther Gaylord
- Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 15:19:47 (GMT)
patsy
you devil.. you've been polishing the furniture with the shirt.... sounds like
grounds for divorce there mark. oh well, i really want a sheff wed tea towel
anyway. hurrah, my *i've been slagged off by luther* pin arrived this morning.
it's very fashionable and brings out the blue in my eyes.
keri
new york, - Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 15:01:20 (GMT)
Rotten
is brilliant. Eminem is a fool. He is an example of many of the kids that we
are raising in this country. I'll take the Sex Pistols over any rap act (except
maybe PE) anytime.
Stephen <still here>
Boston, - Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 15:00:35 (GMT)
Ahem.
Ever since Vaughan mentioned it, people have been popping up and placing requests
for copies of the New Year's Eve "bootleg". How exactly do you expect him to
get in touch with you, when most of you have provided no contact information?
More to the point: I think you misunderstood the proposed transaction. I don't
think Vaughan was suggesting that he was going to spend time at the CD burner,
personally making copies of the gig for BB guestbook regulars. Rather, he spoke
with Pete Jenner about the possibility of making the New Year's Eve gig available
as an "official bootleg" through the Bragg office, in the tradition of NO POP,
NO STYLE, STRICTLY ROOTS. That was how I interpreted his post, anyway. Perhaps
you could clarify your intended meaning, eh Vaughan?
Luther Gaylord
- Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 14:58:39 (GMT)
Woody
- CD for me. Cheers
scooter
- Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 14:46:36 (GMT)
patsy,
the "diggers" song is called "the world turned upside down", so it has been
included in the setlists. Woody, put me down for a couple copies of the NYE
show!
robert
- Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 14:43:11 (GMT)
That's
$1.72 per song.
scooter <dazedandconfused>
- Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 14:35:45 (GMT)
Is
that right? 29 songs at the New Years Eve gig? $1.72 sounds like a good deal
to me. I'd pay $50 to listen to Tank Park Salute alone. It's all about what
you place your value on. I'd never pay $50 however for a wool sweater.
scooter
Baltimore at present, - Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 14:34:48 (GMT)
Sonj,
good luck with the job hunting, I'm having a go to now as a pre-emptive strike.
Happy New Year to you and Al, and maybe see you both at Tolpuddle this year
with some happy news?
Jon
Bristol, UK - Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 14:07:58 (GMT)
How
about 'Jack's Dad' as an album title?
chris <duckyfuzz@hotmail.com>
london, england - Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 13:34:20 (GMT)
Can
I have a copy of the NYE cd too please Woody. Thank you. Sonj - so sorry to
hear about you being made redundant.
Sue Westcott <sue_westcott@hotmail.com>
- Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 13:16:47 (GMT)
Billy
played "Diggers" on New Year's Eve. That's what got the Burns plugged in to
begin with! It keeps missing the set listings and I'm sure I'm not the only
one who heard it! Gotta run....I hear coffee is good for helping you remember
stuff. Like "What time do I have to be at work today?" and things like that!
Patsy again <Ikeepforgettingtosaythis@braindeadlatelydotcom>
the same one as before, my own personal bubble - Thursday, January 04, 2001
at 13:04:21 (GMT)
I
don't think The Bottom Line is a crap venue. I didn't step in/on anything sticky
during the show and they even had extra rolls of TP in the ladies!! As far as
the 50 bucks to get in - bargain! The local bars/clubs/catering halls were getting
at least that much for junk food and a champagne toast at midnight. I got to
sit and be entertained (to the point where my cheeks hurt from smiling), I made
some new friends, I had a great time, I found free parking on a side street
(in a pile of snow but figured we'd dig out anyway).... 50 bucks well spent
in my humble opinion! And Keri, I'm sorry to tell you but that Sheff Weds shirt
that Mark thinks he'll find this weekend is covered with dust and the smell
of dusting spray. Guess what I use it for *snicker*. I'm pretty sure it started
out being orange and not purple, btw :) As Mark said, we got some awesome pictures
of the night. Thankfully the footy posts have slacked off and he can use his
time scanning instead of seeing "red" hahaha get it? *sigh* And as far as the
CD of the evening being a possiblity... yes PLEASE!!! Thanks and have a great
day. We're gonna hit 30 here today, time for the funky shorts and knee socks!
Patsy <ArmoCD@awholelottawhitestuffontheground.longisland>
Long Island NY, USA - Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 13:01:20 (GMT)
Dec30th/1st
Set/ Saturday Boy, Price I Pay, Black Sheep Boy, Short Answer, Must I Paint
You A Picture, Everywhere, Wish You Were Her, Change Gonna Come, Levi Stubbs
Tears, Help Save The Youth Of America, As Long As You Touch Me(Mad Love), New
England, Power In A Union. Second Set/Accident Waiting To Happen, Mother Of
the Bride, Ontario,Quebec and Me, Way Over Yonder(In the Minor Key), Tank Park
Salute, Great Leap Forward,, World Turned Upside Down, St. Swithins Day, The
Only One, Jabborwocky, Everywhere w/Kevin So, As Long As You Touch Me(Mad Love),
New England, Milkman of Human Kindness, Greetings to the New Brunette.
WoodyDee
- Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 12:25:27 (GMT)
WOODY:
A copy for me, too, please!
Tettland <tettland@hotmail.com>
- Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 12:19:36 (GMT)
Rotten
can talk - the sex pistols were a stinking attempt to cash in on punk bands
with something more interesting to say. Nice ideas about musical aparthied too,
rap for the black kids, punk for the white kids. - he's talking bollock and
he knows he is.
JonD
- Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 11:49:46 (GMT)
Pete:
I had to peel the spuds and the sprouts twice. In a dash for the stuffing an
over enthusiastic, slightly pissed guest smashed a couple of wineglasses with
a fish slice sending slithers of glass into every ones dinners. The second dinner
was served just before eleven. Ended up eating it in front of the telly watching
MOTD while listening to the sad bit of Madam Butterfly - Very bizarre. PICK
A GAME (A few weeks in advance please as these things take time!) I'll not be
bringing the kids because Spurs games are usually followed by copious amounts
of lager in Stokey. Are you back at work yet?
Dickie
(Not) Billericay, UK - Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 11:07:53 (GMT)
It
could have all been so different - The original Bob the Builder (Pre BBC commission)
sported a moustache that made him look uncannily like the construction worker
in Village People. What then for our Bob - Gay icon status aside - Would he
have ended up hosting a late night show on Channel 5? Good to see we're still
doing our bit to save the youth of America. WATCH OUT - The Tweenies are only
an economy airfare away!
Dickie <milosnotblackhe'spurple>
(Not) Billericay, UK - Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 10:39:12 (GMT)
Siobhan
! Stop it ! (Actually, please don't). The tale of Ian Walker's gloves is almost
too bizarre and funny to bear. I'm sorry I didn't get to talk to you for longer
at the Barbican gig. Me and my lot do still venture out to Tottenham games once
in a while, despite the ridiculous expense. Perhaps we could meet up for a game.
With your son ? My pre-match pub is the Railway Tavern on White Hart Lane. Big
room in the back bar, very child-friendly. Hey, Dickie, are you gonna come too
if you've stopped peeling the sprouts ?
Pete Crook
- Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 10:18:03 (GMT)
Personally
I think "Stan" is pretty naff. It is so contrived particularly the last verse.
I got so sick of musos whining on about how deep it was. It's not deep! It's
a poor man's "Ode to BillyJoe", but without the mystery to it. Hoorah for the
Bob The Builder I say. The idea of "stan", a song about a deranged man who kills
his girlfriend, unborn baby and commits suicide being Christmas number one was
absurd. Still at least it spawned the Chris Moyes pastiche "Santa".
Dyl
- Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 09:39:24 (GMT)
This
from the Guthrie Archive website (it's in about 6 hours from when I post this...I
think !) http://www.woodyguthrie.org/events.htm : Folk Roots/Folk Branches with
Mike Regenstreif This week's edition of Folk Roots/Folk Branches will be: A
WOODY GUTHRIE SPECIAL CKUT (90.3 FM) in Montreal Thursday January 4, 2001 The
show will be heard from 9:00-noon (Eastern) this week. !!!Hear Folk Roots/Folk
Branches on the web in real time via RealAudio!!!! http://www.ckutfolk.com In
the first part of the show, we'll be listening to classic Woody Guthrie songs,
performed by Woody and lots of other artists. The second part of the show will
be an extended conversation with NORA GUTHRIE, Woody's daughter and executive
director of the Woody Guthrie Archives & Foundation. The third part of the show
will be devoted to contemporary settings of Woody Guthrie lyrics that have been
discovered in the archives in recent years.
Mark Warner <bragg@webone.com.au>
Braggtopia!, - Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 08:12:52 (GMT)
Oh,
and on New Years Eve I drank till I was silly and ate till I was full with my
beloved husband Bobingalls and a bunch of my friends here at my little condo
in the sky.
Barbara
- Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 07:37:11 (GMT)
Isn't
Johnny Rotten accusing Eminem of being an insignificant clown just a tiny bit
hypocritical? How long can he coast on one band so many years ago? Even if it
was influential. I think Eminem is sometimes completely disgusting but he is
an important social phemonenon. If someone had told you three years ago that
a white kid from suburban Detroit would be the baddest most notorious rapper
in America you would have thought they were crazy. This kind of music is very
Sex Pistol-ish - it's as much about a movement and a moment as the music. And
you can look at Eminem instead of a mirror. This is A face of young America,
like it or not. Having said that, if I have to hear "The Real Slim Shady" one
more time I may destroy my car radio. As far as John Lydon is concerned, he
is deliberately offensive misogynist racist patronizing. Throw in the violent
homophobia and voila! Eminem.
Barbara <haveyouguessedimnotabigjohnnyrottenfan?>
noteminemeitherjustinterestedinhim, - Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 07:33:57
(GMT)
Michael.
One of my favourite ever tracks has to be Tricky's cover of Public Enemy's "Black
Steel in the Hour of Chaos", called just "Black Steel" from one of my favourite
ever albums Maxinquaye...
Barmy
- Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 05:12:20 (GMT)
I
suspect so, Barmy. Rap has indeed become very nonpolitical. Public Enemy in
Providence, RI, 1989 was my fist concert. Dozens of shows later it remains as
one of my favorite musical experiences along with Billy Bragg, Tricky, Love
and Rockets, and Midnight Oil. Well that's way too much posting from me. Cheers.
Michael
- Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 04:42:34 (GMT)
I
imagine a lot is lost in the translation....
Barmy
- Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 04:08:40 (GMT)
Rap
has recovered the punk spirit but only when it comes from the blacks???
Michael
- Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 03:36:33 (GMT)
Why
is thinking Eminem an idiot an attack on freedom of speech?
Barmy Rob
- Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 03:32:54 (GMT)
Sounds
like Rotten is a fan of segregation too. Perhaps it's the translation though
and I'm misunderstanding his message.
Michael
- Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 03:04:36 (GMT)
Sounds
like Rotten is not much of a fan of free speach. Odd.
Michael
- Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 03:01:56 (GMT)
Heres
an interview w. the "band":http://www.buddyhead.com/music/j5/
Jeff <dwellej@aol.com>
Dayton, OH, USA - Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 02:57:06 (GMT)
I
dont like rap. But I like these guys****http://www.jurassic5.com/***I have their
Quality Control CD and its' pretty catchy.
Jeff <dwellej@aol.com>
Dayton, OH, USA - Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 02:55:48 (GMT)
JOHNNY
ROTTEN ON RAP (translation): "I think that rap recovered the punk spirit, but
only when it comes from the black districts or the American ghettos. The European
white cannot improvise rappeurs. Eminem is only one stupid and unimportant clown.
His music does not have anything revolutionist." HE'S RIGHT ON THAT ONE!!
O Shea
- Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 02:55:34 (GMT)
It's
not simply black and white. I still recall Chuck D dancing around the bases
in MTV's Rock & Jock Softball Jam about ten years ago. Not very revolutionary.
Michael <igotaletterfromthegov't@theotherday>
- Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 02:53:15 (GMT)
Agree
with you Barmy. Rap's just been hijacked by arseholes out for a buck. But I
disagree with Rotten that whites can't rap and that it should only come from
black ghettoes (if that's what he means). I reckon ANY type of music can be
and should be used by ANYone to promote political agenda or whatever. I suppose
it comes down to how powerful you can make the message, and the likes of Public
Enemy and the Sex Pistols got their message across very powerfully. They told
it how it was/is.
Bob
- Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 02:52:54 (GMT)
I
think that once upon a time Rap music was innovative and political. Fear of
A Black Planet - wow. But now I think most Rap music is pathetic, misogynist
shite. I prefer Bob The Builder - the video was great.
Barmy
- Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 02:48:27 (GMT)
ćI
think that rap recovered the punk spirit, but only when it comes from the black
districts or the American ghettos. The European white cannot improvise rappeurs.
Eminem is only one stupid and unimportant clown. His music does not have anything
revolutionist.ä - Johnny Rotten. Thoughts anyone?
Bob
- Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 02:39:21 (GMT)
Hmmmm,
I'd have agreed with JR until a few weeks ago when I heard Eminem's single 'Stan'
which changed my mind. I was hoping it was going to be the xmas #1 instead of
bob the bleeding builder
Jon D
- Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 02:24:53 (GMT)
Eminem
is only a one stupid and unimportant clown. Its music does not have anything
revolutionist.
Babel-Fish
- Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 02:12:20 (GMT)
the
punk one was never a history of uniform or nurse pin that everyone would have
carried to the same place, or of wind-breaker to cook. All that is only one
sordid masquerade! The punk one was based on individuality.
Johnny_Rotten@altavista_translation
- Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 02:11:00 (GMT)
Northern
Teen - go here http://babelfish.altavista.com/translate.dyn and type in that
URL address for a translation. You'll probably laugh your arse off at the result
tho'.
Jon D <maybe
some time before any linguists show up>
- Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 01:51:02 (GMT)
I'm
tired of asking, but... What exactly *are* the politics of personal attack?
Personal attack, apparently, is far too consuming...satisfying...invigorating...
Sian
- Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 01:36:31 (GMT)
That's
http://www.mcm.net/news/?NewsId=20618 ... sorry about that balls-up. i forget
to write it.
Northern Teen
- Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 01:36:07 (GMT)
Hello
hello hello. DOES ANYONE SPEAK FRENCH? If so, I don't suppose you'd consider
doing me a little favour ... pleeeease [*grovelling on knees*]?? There's this
French site that has an interview with John Lydon (aka Johnny Rotten:Sex Pistols)
on it, and a couple of paragraphs down there's a short paragraph quote about
what he thinks of Eminem (something along the lines of "an insignificant clown").
Could you just nip to that site and translate it for me? I'd be facisinated
to hear what Rotten thinks of Eminem. Cheers. You'll be a friend for life. The
site is http://www.mcm.net/news/?NewsId=20618
Northern Teen
- Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 01:35:07 (GMT)
Hello
hello hello. DOES ANYONE SPEAK FRENCH? If so, I don't suppose you'd consider
doing me a little favour ... pleeeease [*grovelling on knees*]?? There's this
French site that has an interview with John Lydon (aka Johnny Rotten:Sex Pistols)
on it, and a couple of paragraphs down there's a short paragraph quote about
what he thinks of Eminem (something along the lines of "an insignificant clown").
Could you just nip to that site and translate it for me? I'd be facisinated
to hear what Rotten thinks of Eminem. Cheers. You'll be a friend for life.
Northern Teen
- Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 01:34:52 (GMT)
re:
$50 entrance fee to see Billy on hogmany.Considering that some of the pubs in
London (where i now reside)were charging £20 to get in, with no , or very little
in the way of entertainment,i think that you were getting a bargain. How long
was the set? Remember too that staff were probably (hopefully) on double time
so overall not too bad for a night to remember.
jeff
glasgow, scotland - Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 01:26:21 (GMT)
Good
links Jeff. The threat of US pro teams to skip town always seems closely connected
to the owner's interest in extracting hundreds of millions of dollars from the
public purse to get a new playpen and raise the price tag of the franchise before
the inevitable sale... www.fieldofschemes.com. The Red Sox, Boston and Fenway
Park (ticket prices aside) seem inseparable, but the team wants to tear down
the historic park and get at least $600,000,000 from the city and state for
a new stadium. When and if they don't get the handout, they will most likely
begin with the threat of flight.
Michael
- Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 00:53:11 (GMT)
I
had the same thoughts as Luther about the $50 price tag on Billyās show at the
Bottom Line, WTF... I wanted to hear the old tunes played live and I am always
up for a good time. As for the Bottom line being a crap venue... It wasn't plush!
But I kinda like the "shit hole" clubs. I had a great night, met some good people
and heard old tunes. To me it was worth every cent. Patsy picked up the photos
today and we have a few decent shots of Billy on stage.. if people are interested
I will stick them on a website. Let me know. Keri with one r. Iāll have a look
for the Weds shirt this weekend.
Mark <ArmoCD@att.net>
Long Island, - Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 23:55:56 (GMT)
No
Luther I had resolved to ignore any violent revolutionary anarchist fuckwads.
Barmy
- Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 23:40:01 (GMT)
Believe
me there was a BIG uproar when Art Modell moved the Browns (been in Cleveland
for 50 years****http://www.propowerpicks.com/cleveland_browns_history.html****)
to Baltimore. Cleveland kept the name though. More on Art Model from an irate
fan****http://www.jred.com/artmodeGMT)
Believe
me there was a BIG uproar when Art Modell moved the Browns (been in Cleveland
for 50 years****http://www.propowerpicks.com/cleveland_browns_history.html****)
to Baltimore. Cleveland kept the name though. More on Art Model from an irate
fan****http://www.jred.com/artmodell.htm.****there are some teams in US pro
sports that are closley identified with their hometown, like the Chicago Cubs
and Sox, or the Cincinnatti Reds. The Browns were one of those teams.
Jeff <dwellej@aol.com>
Dayton, OH, USA - Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 23:32:49 (GMT)
What's
that, Rob? Had you resolved to not be a fuckhead in 2001? You never had a chance.
(Love And Rockets) You cannot go against nature... (/Love And Rockets)
Luther Gaylord
- Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 23:31:36 (GMT)
A
few years back Wimbledon were trying to move to Dublin, but it was blocked by
the premier league.....
Barmy
- Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 23:21:23 (GMT)
Whoa
there Jeff - I just cannot imagine football teams moving between cities, I doubt
even the ever mercenary Man Utd could do it.
jon D
- Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 23:15:14 (GMT)
Damn.
There goes the new year's resolution :)
Barmy
- Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 23:11:42 (GMT)
Luther.
Alone on New Years - have you no friends? strange, you come across as such an
approachable, friendly guy.
Barmy
- Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 23:09:21 (GMT)
Pete
Crook: "I made the specific point that kids in my part of West London are getting
intimidated into NOT supporting local teams because theyāre not Manchester United"
Same thing here, sort of. I recall that I used to be a big Universtiy of Louisville
basketball fan (due to getting free tickets to their home games), but it seemed
that the big team was the University of Kentucky Wildcats for many people who
lived in the suburbs of Louisville. Lots of team loyalty that dated from when
UofK was the only good team in the state, and they didn't accept Louisville
as an equal (UofL did win its divisiona & the national championsip)...the UK
fans really bled blue & white, and gave UofL fans a hard time, even tho they
themselves lived no more that a few miles from the arena where UofL played.****
Yet this isn't pro ball, where loyaltys get REALLY screwed up due to owners
moving teams around (like what happened to the Cleveland Browns)...I dont know
if you have that same kind of churn in England, where some rich owner decides
to move, say, the Newcastle team to Birmingham.
Jeff <dwellej@aol.com>
Dayton, OH, USA - Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 23:08:57 (GMT)
"I
go to other meetings of a group I belong to that is dedicated to building a
collective and visionary society." What does that mean, Carol? What is the unnamed
group, and what kind of society are you trying to create?
Luther Gaylord
- Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 23:08:11 (GMT)
I
plotted with myself the destruction of capitalism, then I went outside and yelled,
"Happy revolution you poseurs." Actually, David and I had planned to go to a
party on Treasure Island, but since we both had nasty viruses (actually, I think
it was the same virus) I stayed home and coughed and took care of my granddaughter
while her parents went out, and David stayed on his boat and sweated his fever
and sent me revolutionary love emails. I got it all, love, revolution, and the
flu.
Carol
- Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 22:58:34 (GMT)
"Jeff
- you can see bob here - www.etoys.co.uk " Cute...Yes..I've seen Bob and his
buddies elsewhere (in US News & World Report magazine). Seems like this is might
be the next "Thomas the Tank Engine" for us. He dehbuts on US TV on Jan. 15th.
Jeff <dwellej@aol.com>
Dayton, OH, USA - Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 22:57:50 (GMT)
Damned,
and as the liberal shite that I am I only got pissed with the local activists
on New Year's Eve... :)
Carsten <nothingtoshowforhimself>
- Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 22:51:43 (GMT)
Luther:
all we did was get together with friends and have a bit of a knees-up - it was
quite fun!
Brian
London, UK - Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 22:18:40 (GMT)
(addition)
on napster
nevski
- Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 22:12:12 (GMT)
jessica,
let me put it this way, i searched for bob the builder b4 i searched for david
gray.. i think that says it all. Capitalism is killing music.
nevski
- Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 22:11:01 (GMT)
On
that note, what do the Brits think of this David Gray kid? I saw him for the
first time on Charlie Rose a few weeks ago. Nice songs, smart guy, though his
vocal sounds like too many things I've heard before.
Jessica Jolly
- Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 22:09:35 (GMT)
It's
traditional to have something really crappy get to number 1 at xmas Jeff - you
can see bob here - www.etoys.co.uk - he's waving goodbye to etoys customers
as they're going out of business
Jon D <joinedup@yahoo.co.uk>
- Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 22:09:24 (GMT)
best
selling single release of 2000 jeff.
nevski
- Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 22:03:35 (GMT)
It
looks like we in the US will be seeing another English pop culture import...Bob
The Builder..a TV show and also a line of toys. "Can we fix it? Yes we can!"...uh,
OK. This song was # 1 on the English pop charts?
Jeff <dwellej@aol.com>
Dayton, OH, USA - Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 21:54:33 (GMT)
Yr
welcome Carol. I always found it odd that the bohemian/"alternative" habitation
is the lead-in to upper middle class (bourgois?) gentrification. It seems that
there is something hypocritical or contradictory for well-off bourgois moving
to an area where the residents don't really share their values or tastes. It's
the paradox of gentrification.*****I see it in this area; the nearby village
of Yellow Springs is a very left wing and bohemian community (due to Antioch
college) and is being gentrified by the Dayton suburban bourgois, who don't
share the values of the old-time residents (urban gentrification in Dayton proper
is pretty minimal...it's sort of a little Detroit). Property values in Yellow
Springs have really inflated, threatening its' bohemian character. I guess this
is that local version of the "bourgois bohemian" phenomenon. I'm an example
of that, too, I suppose; I like political folk and folk/rock music but don't
really share the politics.
Jeff <dwellej@aol.com>
Dayton, OH, USA - Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 21:51:12 (GMT)
Brian:
On New Year's Eve I (1) drank a pint of Guinness, (2) listened to the new Lloyd
Cole CD, (3) upgraded hillstrom.iww.org with more RAM and a larger hard drive,
and (4) refurbished a used Macintosh which had been donated to me, preparing
it for a local activist to use for e-mail and other internet activities. Then,
on New Year's Day, I traveled to the local activist's home and taught her how
to use her new computer. What did you do?
Luther Gaylord
- Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 21:50:46 (GMT)
hiya
keri...let me know when your 'luther slagged me off' club pin arrives. say:
can someone confirm that there's a difference between gloucester (west of london)
and glouchester (east of london)? i know about the one between oxford and 'mah-bel
ah-ch', but not the other. also: is sheffield wednesday purple? because if it
is then you'd better not invite me over after you get that shirt, girl. i'll
find it and i'll take it. the end. oh, and: tettland, how is the weather in
denmark right now? i'll be in copenhagen on the 16th, 17th, and 18th. i'm worried
about ice. (worried and excited at the same time!) can you tell me about city
center, or recommend some good drinking establishments?
erin
portland, - Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 21:42:22 (GMT)
Whooops,
sorry KERI. Found a housing listserve for the 20th. Any news from your friend
Rev Al?
Jessica Jolly
- Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 21:29:46 (GMT)
hi
jessica--- IT'S keri with ONE R!!!! what's going on?
keri
- Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 21:21:06 (GMT)
I'm
sure Luther found someone to argue with on New Years Eve. Hi Kerri!
Jessica
- Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 21:16:44 (GMT)
And
some fish do jump, you know...the very keen ones, at any rate...
Sian
- Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 21:12:43 (GMT)
hi
brian.
keri
- Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 21:09:52 (GMT)
Mix,
don't match, I always say...
Sian
- Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 21:09:37 (GMT)
I
always thought that baited hooks encouraged fish to bite. I didn't realize that
they made people jump.
Talk about a mixed metaphor!
- Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 20:50:31 (GMT)
Luther:
what did you do for New Year?
Brian
London, UK - Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 20:48:48 (GMT)
And...
as the poet Stevie Smith once said "If I'd been the Virgin Mary, I'd have said
no..." No milkbones for her.
Sian
- Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 20:47:26 (GMT)
And
as "Norm" from "Cheers" once said: "It's a dog eat dog world and I'm wearing
milkbone underwear." I better stop there before revealing any more.
Michael
- Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 20:35:36 (GMT)
But
as Mark Twain says...a cat who gets burned by sitting on a hot stove won't sit
on one again, true, but it won't ever sit on a cold one either... Pavlovian
dogs, Twainian cats, it's raining all of them...
Sian
- Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 20:23:40 (GMT)
But
as Mark Twain says...a cat who gets burned by sitting on a hot stove won't sit
on one again, true, but it won't ever sit on a cold one either... Pavlovian
dogs, Twainian cats, it's raining all of them...
Sian
- Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 20:22:36 (GMT)
cd
bootleg of nye in NYC? yes please!
nevski <nevski@lineone.net>
- Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 20:22:08 (GMT)
I
feel more Pavlovian, Sian. Kind of like Bart Simpson in front of a hot stove.
Ouch! Hot stove. Ouch! Hot stove...
Michael
Springfield, USA - Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 20:17:37 (GMT)
Woody
- thanks, count me in also!
Simon <scrosby44@yahoo.com>
Monkseaton, UK - Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 20:05:18 (GMT)
The
Problem: Here's the hook. Luther baits it (ad hominem worms work well). People
jump. The Result: Paralysis. The Solution: Don't jump. Swim instead. There really
are no politics of personal attack --no worthwhile ones anyway.
Sian
- Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 19:55:58 (GMT)
so
luther i guess you did nothing.
keri
- Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 19:09:39 (GMT)
Jeff:
I got the book, Hollow City. Thanks. It looks very interesting. I am anxious
to start it. I have a somewhat different view of the urban gentrification process.
It seems to me that artists and bohemians are the first wave of gentrification--they
move into working class neighborhoods because of cheap rents and a certain downward
charm, the original working class and poor residents are displaced, they create
a hip media to advertise their new "colony," the mass media picks up on it and
does little feature stories in the mainstream press and TV news, neighborhoods
quickly become trendy, and middle class families sees neighborhhods where they
can purchase homes that have now become safe and charming. Then the artists
are displaced. I will see if the book takes into account my point of view.
Carol <ctarlen@att.net>
San Francisco, - Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 18:47:21 (GMT)
Keri:
I might have been inclined to answer your question about my New Year's Eve activities
if you hadn't called me a twat in the very same post. Now, however, you can
just fuck off.
Luther Gaylord
- Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 18:38:26 (GMT)
Sorry
Michael but I believe *I* am the blinkered American. The rest you are correct
about.
Barbara <imeanthatyouwerecallednotthatyouare>
- Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 18:29:46 (GMT)
come
on luther i'm interested in what you did on New Year's Eve????
keri
- Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 18:25:06 (GMT)
Barbara:
Please share the answer to the question you asked at 16:47:35. Why do I continue
to harp on and on and on about the New Year's Eve gig? I know very well why
I continue to beat this particular drum, of course, but I'm interested to hear
your interpretation.
Luther Gaylord
- Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 18:04:45 (GMT)
Luther
- You may have misunderstood my Camusian wit. I was not complaining about name-calling
due to the fact that I'm impervious to it.
Michael
- Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 17:55:48 (GMT)
Hello
the board! Often read this page but never contributed nuffink (bring it on,
spelling police..) - so I thought I would now. My point is, never mind $50 for
the ticket, I think that to expect us to fork out 300 sovs for a flight to NY
for the New Year shows is well out of order. Come on Billy, call yourself a
socialist? There should have been free flights laid on. Especially from Manchester.
Yeah. And I reckon the shows were probably rubbish anyway. So there. And I'm
not just saying that because I wasn't there but wish I was and have got the
nee-nee-nar-nars about it. No sir-ee.... Oh and as a QPR supporter, I say support
your local team! Except that my local team is Man Utd, so that sort of slashes
on my argument a bit. Tell you what, I'll get me coat...
Ant <anthobbs@yahoo.com>
Manchester, UK - Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 17:39:12 (GMT)
Shall
I make a list of all the names I've been called on the BB guestbook, Michael?
Yours pales in comparison, I'm afraid.
Luther Gaylord
- Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 17:36:47 (GMT)
Barbara
- That's a very good question -- the existential one not the rhetorical one.
I'll let you know the answer as soon as figure it out. In this space I've been
called a "wind-up" merchant, a wanker, a twat and a blinkered american...
Michael
- Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 17:04:25 (GMT)
Dear
Mr Robson, Thanks but no thanks. It didn't work out the last time you signed
an over thirty, over weight, passed his prime has been with two gamy knees who
had seen better days in Tottenham so what makes you think it will be different
this time? Besides I don't think I could play in the same team as an untried
centre forward earning nearly 20 grand a week more than me. (Even if his name
is Luther) At this stage of my career I need to be winning honours and don't
think I could stand the constant terrace taunts of "Who ate all the pies." Although
the kids might like me to bring home one or two of the Mars bars that came my
way I think I'll try somewhere on Merseyside. Say hello and wish you were here
to Terry for me.
Dickie <flattered@theofferbutthenagainNOT>
(Not) Billericay, UK - Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 16:56:11 (GMT)
Now
this is the guitar I want to see return: Wiggy - That got sold in favour of
an Arbiter Gibson TV copy in 1978. £70 new. One pick-up job. Volume up full,
tone up full, off you go. That did a solid ten years service before it got retired.
In 1982 he took it to bits and stripped the paint off, then he got a call for
his first Billy Bragg solo gig and had to try and put it back together again.
It's the one that some people think he made in woodwork at school. It's quite
light in weight, sounded great, not much to go wrong (apart from strings falling
off of it all the time, but that's more to do with Billy whacking it with a
big black triangular Gibson plectrum).
Stephen <you know it>
Boston, - Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 16:51:38 (GMT)
Why
is it that everyone who attended the Bottom Line show is happy, but one person
who didn't go continues to harp on and on and on and on and on and on and on
and on and on . . .
Barbara <nevermindialreadyknowtheanswer>
- Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 16:47:35 (GMT)
Sonj
I need your address all I have is your old one. I am sorry about you and Alberr
- bastards - but Carol is right, take the time to relax and enjoy each other.
I mean this in a non-religious way, but you are the patron saint of this guestbook.
Barbara <bigrafx@home.com>
michaelwhoareyou?, - Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 16:44:11 (GMT)
Me,
too, Woody. The Bottom Line shows sounded great. Wish I could have been there.
Sorry to here about the redundancy, Sonja. But now's your chance. You can get
a job at your favorite store. I was cleaning my apartment this weekend and found
a Waitrose catalog you had sent me over a year ago. It brought back shopping
memories. David ate up all the marmite, by the way. Stiff upper lip, Sonj, and
all that stuff that I was taught the true English (who resemble bulldogs) say.
We were taught a lot of sily stuff about England in my school days. I'm sure
you'll muddle through. Remember, you survived Thatcher.
Carol
San Francisco, where the sun has shone all winter. I saw camillas in bloom today--two
months early., - Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 16:37:47 (GMT)
sorry
siobhan
- Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 16:28:49 (GMT)
Paul
Shane, thats it. Is he dead? Actually I only remember Su Pollard who was very
scarey close up. My best thing was a scarf with Liam Bradys face on it (hello
Theo). My son has a (used) pair of Ian Walkers gloves which are autographed.
They smell awful but I often find them in his bed. He's eight so I imagine he
puts them on his hands and dreams at bedtime. At least thats what I like to
think.
siobhan
- Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 16:27:40 (GMT)
Paul
Shane, thats it. Is he dead? Actually I only remember Su Pollard who was very
scarey close up. My best thing was a scarf with Liam Bradys face on it (hello
Theo). My son has a (used) pair of Ian Walkers gloves which are autographed.
They smell awful but I often find them in his bed. He's eight so I imagine he
puts them on his hands and dreams at bedtime. At least thats what I like to
think.
siobhan
- Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 16:26:52 (GMT)
hey
jessica-- your the talk of the office this morning. you page turner! let me
investigate the 20th this afternoon...i'm sure rev. al is just a click away.
keri
- Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 16:16:53 (GMT)
Luther,
we'll give you £63,000 to play centre-forward. Don't bother coming to England
though, stay where you are, and we'll still happily pay your wages.
Bryan Robson, MFC
- Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 16:01:59 (GMT)
Dickie,
I've had a good look at you, and although you're no better than what we've got,
I've decided that, provided you're over-30, we can offer you a contract: £45,000
per week for three years. Our aim is Europe, but our target is to avoid relegation.
You can also have as much time off as you want.
Bryan Robson
- Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 15:57:54 (GMT)
Paul
Shane! Dickies Cred in tatters while Siobhans remains in tact. Were the women
who pretended to be young and sexy but were really very old there? An ex girlfriend
of mine used to sleep in one of Alan Sunderlands old shirts. Her dad who worked
at Arsenal "borrowed" it for her. I wasn't very happy about it. It was the horrible
yellow away kit with the blue trim.
Dickie
)Not) Billericay, UK - Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 15:42:38 (GMT)
luther,
what did you do for new year's eve?
keri <lgsadfuckintwat!>
- Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 15:38:23 (GMT)
Hi.
I'm Billy Bragg. I drive a Land Rover and I shop at The Gap. I'd like to thank
all of you for buying my records and making me a millionaire by charging you
$50 at the door.
Hypocrisy is the greatest luxury <Raise
the double standard>
- Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 15:31:46 (GMT)
Luther
- You have made it quite clear that you feel $50 is/was too much to pay to see
Billy. But, as is the case with all of the questions I've asked you, you refuse
to provide answers. Once again, what is an appropriate fee for Billy to charge
in NYC on NYE?
Michael
- Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 15:28:12 (GMT)
6,
8, 12, 14... any more figures?
Carsten
- Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 15:28:03 (GMT)
If
I had been paid to attend Bill's show on New Year's Eve show as Vaughan (WoodyDee)
was, I'd probably think that it was "pretty impressive" too. But I might feel
differently if I had paid $50 to see Bill in a shitty venue like The Bottom
Line. Go figure.
Luther Gaylord
- Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 15:12:58 (GMT)
just
to add a bit of trivia to the football thing (would I add anything else). I
used to work at Spurs in a little concession that the bookmakers I worked for
had in the ground, but my job was to go round the executive boxes collecting
bets from the 'guests'. My worst moment came when I entered a box to find the
cast of Hi-de-Hi out on a jolly, all very pissed up. My uniform was very British
Airways (cravat etc.)and the bloke who played the northern comic (Shane something??)kept
bellowing at me to sit on his lap. Football is outrageously expensive now though,
my son who adores Spurs can only go when he gets tickets for his birthday. In
the 70s my dad used to stick me and my sister in the schoolboys while he went
and sat in the seats at Arsenal. I touched Alan Sunderlands curly perm once
and was ecstatic for days.
siobhan
- Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 14:51:58 (GMT)
oops,
i'm a bit out of practice with the typing, please excuse errors. I am planning
to sort out the pics from Denmark tomorrow, maybe i can get them on a website.
sonj <housewife@home
with nothing better to do all day :)>
- Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 14:49:45 (GMT)
Now
you're talking Geoff. Take me back to Brooking, Devonshire et. al.
scooter
- Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 14:43:24 (GMT)
yes
please from me too woody. very belated happy new millenium to everybody. It
looks as if will be made redundant next weeks so i will have a chance to sort
out getting back on line and stuff. In the meantime, be nice to each other everybody
sonj
- Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 14:43:03 (GMT)
Another
vote in favour of a CD, thanks Woody! --- Tett, I'll try the card again;let
me know if you could see the ani.
Carsten
- Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 14:41:12 (GMT)
he
hit it with a garden rake!
from behind the bike sheds
- Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 14:40:34 (GMT)
Your
clock is 10 mins fast!!
Dickie
(Not) Billericay, uk - Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 14:12:49 (GMT)
Pete:
It's time to climb down from your high horse. Your first love is Spurs not Gillingham
(And there's nowt wrong wiv that mate.)Northern Teen - Tell me again...How great
has the Robson era been? My cousin a QPR supporter took me and a mate to watch
QPR Spurs when I was about 8. He left us at half time to go and "ruck with the
yids." Thankfully a nice man from the St Johns Ambulance saved us!!
Dickie
(Not) Billericay, UK - Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 14:11:40 (GMT)
It
is generally agreed by all Boro fans that however great this Robson-era has
been, it hasn't been as good or as exciting as the Rioch era (when we had crowds
of 5000 and went into liquidation, then fought back into the top division with
LOCAL PLAYERS, some from Billingham Town, including Gary Pallister, Colin Cooper,
Tony Mowbray, Alan Kernaghan) or the Jack Charlton days when we had Graeme Souness.
And even I enjoyed watching football from a freezing cold, rain-drenched terrace
better. So there.
Northern Teen <teessiders@lycos.com>
- Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 13:54:12 (GMT)
When
I was a kid my Dad took me to QPR (September '73) and I wouldn't wish being
a QPR supporter on any of those young kids. Just say no.
Jude
W.London, - Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 12:57:22 (GMT)
morning
woody--i'll take one too. mark did you find the wednesday shirt yet? sure i'll
have it. so you think 2nd division is in their furture?
keri
- Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 12:48:14 (GMT)
Happy
New Year to you Wiggy. There's a true star.
WoodyDee
- Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 12:36:45 (GMT)
No
Luther. I got paid to work the shows.
WoodyDee
- Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 12:34:14 (GMT)
That's
*dare*, not *dear*, of course. And my kids alternately wear Tottenham or Brentford
shirts to school. But it is truly becoming the exception. And I think that's
sad.
Pete
- Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 11:49:46 (GMT)
No,
Steve. I made the specific point that kids in my part of West London are getting
intimidated into NOT supporting local teams because theyāre not Manchester United.
Iām sure this happens all over the place. It cuts at the roots of football,
and its place in the community. And, yes, go into assembly at my kidsā school,
and youāll see far more Man U shirts than any other clubās. Makes me want to
throw up. The kids who dear to wear red and white stripes (for Brentford) or
blue and white hoops (for QPR) get given a hard time. I stress, again, I have
nothing against genuine Man U supporters. Just the corporate capitalist crap
that lies behind it all.
Pete Crook <petecrook@bigfoot.com>
London, England - Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 11:42:34 (GMT)
Success
doesn't piss off socialist football supporters half as much as failure does!
Spurs win in a game decided by the referee's decisions and I feel great. I've
already forgotten the shite results against 'Boro, Ipswich & Southampton. You
are right about Man Utd they have a long tradition but that doesn't mean they
are not sc.......
Dickie
(Not) Billericay, UK - Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 11:37:40 (GMT)
Carsten:
Thanks for the thoughtful New Year wishes. I couldn't see a picture just a black
background with the text message on it - I hope that's not bad omen. :) Sonja:
are you online yet?
Tettland
- Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 11:32:41 (GMT)
A
belated "Godt Nytr" (happy new year). I've been away in Berlin (thankfully
not "nazi Berlin", as claimed by a charming earlier post). Paid a visit to Bertolt
Brecht's house and grave. Opposite his and Helene Weigel's grave stones was
a very simple cube grave stone with the name of Brecht's collaborator and friend
Hans Eisler on. I also had a couple of pics taken with Brecht's statue outside
the Berliner Ensemble and some with Marx & Engels on Alexandra Platz (they may
even make it on to the net if I can find someone with a scanner). It used to
have "we are innocent" graffitied on it. Good to see that Herre Gaylord is as
friendly and encouraging as ever (pack it in!) and Pam only piping up to defend
her Lord and Master. He may do good things and have some interesting things
to say but he is no saint, so stop talking about him as if he is one. Let's
try to be a little more civil in 2001, shall we? Peace.
Tettland
- Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 11:27:18 (GMT)
Here's
my 2p's worth on the great football debate - Manchester United might be the
best or worst offenders depending on your POV but every chairman of every board
in the Premier league and first division dreams of running a profit-making machine
like them. Don't get me wrong I hate them as well but I do wish Spurs had at
least half the success on and off the field that they have enjoyed in the last
ten years. Capitalism remains the root of all evil!!
Dickie
(Not) Billericay, UK - Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 11:26:45 (GMT)
Bloody
Hell the Football whingers are out in force now..PeteC c'mon for fucks sake,
Tottenham are also a maney making capitalist company, as are you, you are a
land and property owner, and will accumulate asset gains as land values increase
(property generally devalues)eventually..tecnically you are no different to
Man Utd just on a much smaller scale..People get pissed with Man Utd because
they are very successful and doesnt this piss the so called socialists off..Man
Utd got famous because of George Best, Bobby Charlton, Denis Law etc, the tradition
kept on and they now have one of the best teams in the world, and good luck
to them they deserve it, Northern Teen, what the fuck are you ranting on about
Lennie Lawrence for, he was shite, look at the great players and some fabulous
games boro have had over the last 4 years..I started to go to sunderland in
1968 as a kid when it was 2 shilling to get in, now Im happy to pay 25 pound
and so are 50.000 others, Football gets better all the time, The $50 billy bragg
entrance fee whingers are the same,...look at the good ,bright side of things
instead of the bloody negative
steve <always look
on the bright side of life>
- Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 10:55:39 (GMT)
CD
please Woody
Dyl
- Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 09:32:38 (GMT)
NYC
contributors - When I was last in New York about 4 years ago walking back from
Greenwich Village towards Broadway I came across a bar somewhere near Chelsea.
From the outside it looked like a "traditional" English pub but inside it was
real spit and sawdust. It was the middle of the afternoon and they were holding
an open mike poetry reading session. In the evening they had a folk singer who
in between some pretty bad renditions of Irish tunes played a few IWW songs
and a cracking version of "The world turned upside down." My mate who will soon
be marrying a New Yorker went looking for it by following my poor directions
when he was there at Christmas. It doesn't seem to be listed in any of the guides
so does anyone out there have any idea what the place is called? I realise this
is very vague but any help would be appreciated.
Dickie
UK - Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 08:42:26 (GMT)
Make
that 3, Woody.
Jon
Bristol, UK - Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 08:36:02 (GMT)
We
found the Burns in what was then the Take Five music shop in Hammersmith in
1984. It was like nothing else and is a brilliant guitar. The Burns Steer, it
was green, it was loud, very toppy, quite heavy and looked like you could open
beer bottles with the weird-shaped head (you couldn't). It's got quite a few
controls and pick-up selection options but I just gaffered them all down into
the "11" position. That's the one on the recorded version of Levi Stubbs' Tears
and much of the Talking With The Taxman album.
Wiggy
http://www.billybragg.co.uk/words13.html, - Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 07:02:16
(GMT)
You
mean this guitar, Nichol? http://hillstrom.iww.org/green_monster.jpg That's
a Burns Steer (those are supposed to be horns at the top). Someone's selling
one for £500 at http://www.music-mart.co.uk/MM/guitars.html
Luther Gaylord
- Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 06:59:20 (GMT)
Does
anyone have any idea what kind of guitar the green one he plays is? It has a
custom neck that looks like a wrench?
nichol <WkrsStrike@aol.com>
New York, US - Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 06:46:11 (GMT)
Did
you pay $50 to get in to the New Year's Eve show, Woody?
Luther Gaylord
- Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 06:19:21 (GMT)
oh
& Pete Southampton 2 Tottenham 0 :)
Barmy
- Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 05:38:58 (GMT)
Carol.
It is entirely consistent with Buddhism to be an Atheist as well :) Woody -
is that a boot from the mixing desk? If so yes please...
Barmy <barmyrob@yahoo.co.uk>
The city of Brighton & Hove, - Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 05:38:08 (GMT)
Is there anyone out there interested in a bootleg of the New Years Eve show?
"Warts and All".Would a streamola be preferred or an actual disc.It's a thought
at this point. From my point of view I thought it was pretty impressive. In
addition to three shows of hardly any repeat tracks, I heard Billy play Strange
Things Happen, Scholarship Is the Enemy Of Romance, Vauxhall Velox in the soundcheck
in addition to others, which were thrown at him at a fairly constistant stream
by Grant and myself. I'll post the set list from the 30th. Soon Come.P.S.There
wasn't an acoustic guitar in site, just the burns and the tele.
WoodyDee
- Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 04:51:49 (GMT)
12.31.00/11:02p/Onstage:Sexuality,
Price I Pay, Saturday Boy, Red to Blue, Ingrid Bergman, The Only One, A13(Trunk
Road to The Sea), World Turned Upside Down, Great Leap Forward,Auld Lang Syne,
Great Leap Forward(Version /1st Time Played), Upfield, Way Over Yonder (In the
Minor Key), Power In A Union, Levi Stubbs Tear, Joe DiMaggio, Little Time Bomb,
Space Race In Over, Brickbat, Jabborwocky, St.Swithins Day, As Long As You Hold
Me(Mad Love), New England End of Set, Encore, Everywhere w/Kevin So, Milkman
of Human Kindness, 14th February, Greetings To the New Brunette. End 1:45am
WoodyDee
- Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 04:38:54 (GMT)
Please,
Bragg Office. Try to do something to allow this page to load properly. It takes
so long to load it ties up my entire computer for interminable amounts of time.
I end up having to quit Internet Explorer just to get it to stop the possibly
endless loading. This is a recent development with this site. Have you done
anything different to it to cause it to load so slowly, or is it that it simply
loads every post ever made here since 1997?
Red Robin
NJ, USA - Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 04:17:48 (GMT)
I have to agree with a lot that is said and written about Man Utd. I was born
and "dragged" up in Manchester and have followed United since I was able to
sneak into the ground way back in the early 70's. I have had great fun when
I moved close to Liverpool giving and receiving banter and even more fun when
I moved to Yorkshire and worked in Leeds. After moving to Yorkshire I used to
go and watch Barnsley and Sheffield Wednesday play more often than United as
I found it too much friggin trouble to get tickets. I can't for the life of
me understand why kids don't follow their local team. I know I did. Even back
in the 70's I can remember the flags with "Cockney Reds" or "Dublin Supporters"
I think United have had a wider range of fans for a long time now maybe since
Munich? I don't know the answer why, but I know the widespread base of the people
that claim to be United fans goes back further than the recent successful spell
that the team are currently having. Now that I am living in the USA if I ever
visit England I would want to see United play. I can't change my allegiance!
Keri... it was great to see you with a United scarf! small things like that
make me smile. I think I may have a Shef Weds shirt hanging around...Want it?
Mark
Long Island, - Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 02:26:16 (GMT)
i
much prefer www.whufc.co.uk
geoff <geoffwilson@uq.net.au>
- Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 01:11:50 (GMT)
"My
friend Billy, had a ten-foot willy..."
-
playground - Tuesday, January 02, 2001 at 23:45:24 (GMT)
Taxpayer
subsidized stadia are the opiate of the Mayors.
Michael
- Tuesday, January 02, 2001 at 22:55:36 (GMT)
No,
smartypants, I meant dissension. Synonymous with disagreement or discord. But
if you feel discord is truly the name of your drug of choice, I'll stand corrected.
Jessica <jessicajolly@lycos.com>
- Tuesday, January 02, 2001 at 22:53:07 (GMT)
Here's
quite a funny story from egypt where the flying sheep got it's revenge. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_1097000/1097631.stm
Jon
Bristol, UK - Tuesday, January 02, 2001 at 22:50:20 (GMT)
Dickie,
as a fellow fat storer I say good on ya. I'm too busy smoking to jog, do a lap
for me?
Jon
Bristol, UK - Tuesday, January 02, 2001 at 22:46:40 (GMT)
I
believe you meant "discord" Jessica.
Luther Gaylord
- Tuesday, January 02, 2001 at 22:34:27 (GMT)
Rotten
cheating scumbags at MUFC - anyone else noticed how ferguson sends his subs
to do their 'warm up' behind opposition players taking a throw in and baulk
them? I swear no other team is anywhere near as bad. http://www.standupifyouhatemanu.com
has a picture of lazio supporters with the right idea.
jon D <joinedup@yahoo.co.uk>
- Tuesday, January 02, 2001 at 22:30:09 (GMT)
sports
drinks are the opium of the masses
nevski
- Tuesday, January 02, 2001 at 22:28:16 (GMT)
Tottenham
4 Newcastle 2, indeed. Fucking great. You beat me to it, Dickie ! I have to
admit I'm off for a beer, not a jog (hey, it's 9:45 PM and freezing).
Pete Crook
- Tuesday, January 02, 2001 at 21:55:39 (GMT)
Spurs
4 Newcastle 2 bloody hell! See ya later off for a jog!!
Dickie <bloodyhell@shellshocked.uk>
(Not) Billericay, UK - Tuesday, January 02, 2001 at 21:49:52 (GMT)
Sports
are the opiate of the masses.
Luther Gaylord
- Tuesday, January 02, 2001 at 21:49:51 (GMT)
"Same
old Man U, always cheating, same old Man U, always cheating..." That's another
thing, they're so arrogant they think they have the divine right to do whatever
they want. 'Penalties given against Man U?? Not allowed? Roy Keane stamping
on someone's face??? Justifed!' CHEATING WANKERS!! AAAAAARRRGH!!! sorry.
Anonymous Teen <teessiders@lycos.com>
- Tuesday, January 02, 2001 at 21:48:54 (GMT)
Just
one more thing, on a lighter note, and then I promise I'll shut up for a while.
Man Utd might be the best team in the country (by miles actually, I admit it)
but they have the WORST supporters by far. That's definately a good thing. Aim
a few rounds of "One song, you've only got one song" or "Do you come from Manchester?"
at them, and they don't dunno what to do. Arseholes.
Northern Teen <teessiders@lycos.com>
- Tuesday, January 02, 2001 at 21:46:05 (GMT)
...yes,
there's more venom inside me waiting to get out: I could write a book about
this. Of all the teams I hate in the country, I hate none more so than CHELSEA
and MANCHESTER UNITED ... Man Utd is just a fashion. It's digusting! The kids
around Teesside would once have bought sh*t if it has the Man Utd badge on...and
then there's David Beckham...what can you say about him? Football is only what
he does on Saturdays, the rest of the time he's busy promoting Man Utd's "coolness".
Git. And then there's Chelsea... Chelsea Village, Chelsea scooters, Chelsea
hotels. I heard one bloke on Virgin Radio say that he'd won a competition to
have a "day out" at Stamford Bridge and he was a right cockney rascal. anyway,
apparently he was at a bar in the main stand or something, drinking beer out
of a bottle, when Ken Bates came over, took the bottle out of his hand and said
"That's not the sort of thing we want at this club, and you're not the sort
of person we want to attract." He was only drinking out of a f***ing bottle.
That sums it up. Football's for snobs.
Northern Teen <teessiders@lycos.com>
- Tuesday, January 02, 2001 at 21:41:08 (GMT)
Sorry
about the confusion, Carsten. Blame it on Buddha. How's this for a psuedonym:
Red Army Brigadista.
Carol
- Tuesday, January 02, 2001 at 21:33:49 (GMT)
I
too am well pissed with what football has become now, even in the short time
I've been going. Who's to blame? Well, certain individuals for a start (the
likes of Martin Edwards and Ken f***ing Bates), then the business men who take
up their invitations, and last and not least the b@stards at all the other clubs
who follow suit...although to survive what choice have they got? I started going
to the Boro in 1992 when I was 8 year old (and stuck with em week in week out
since). To watch Premier league football under Lennie Lawrence it was £3 for
kids and £5 for adults. NOW... £18 children, £24 adults!!! And you can't buy
on the door anymore, you have to spend £350 odd on a season ticket OR ELSE!!
This pisses me off so much, I'm crying right now as I write this. And then there's
the replica shirts that cost £40 each and cost £5 to make. B@stards. In football
it's definately a case of the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer.
Gggggrrrrr
Northern Teen <teessiders@lycos.com>
- Tuesday, January 02, 2001 at 21:31:05 (GMT)
pete,
that sort of thing happens to all kids on the school yard. if it's not a manchester
shirt then it's the coolest pair of trainers. the list can go on and on. it's
simply a dwight yorke thing for me. and well, it goes back to when i watched
my first FA cup man utd vs. liverpool, em that must have been '96. it's a sport
that can give a 20 something female something to daydream about over a pint
at the plasters arms... yeah, so what the yankees have a shit load of money
and so what about man utd having a shit load of money. i understand the arguement
about more money better players, better sponsorship etc... let's have salary
caps...there has to be a solution. did newcastle beat you yet?
keri
- Tuesday, January 02, 2001 at 21:28:24 (GMT)
