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keri
just thought we should have a topic dedicated to this a*shole since he's got the job now.
leccy
Un-bee-lievable.

Sitting here shaking my head at the other-worldliness of Boris Johnson being elected to anything, never mind Mayor of the capital.

You wouldn't trust the buffoon to run a bath, never mind a city.
Sarah lady
All I can say is that I'm rather glad I'm leaving London soon... I hope those that voted for him because they think he's funny are really proud of themselves.
leccy
Bill asked for asylum for all fellow Cockneys in the Williamson Tunnels in Liverpool last night, until Boris had gone. Said they'd be used to it as it's just like the Tube, and would only need "Mind The Gap" piped in to complete the assimilation.

The tousle-topped-tosser netted a line in Great Leap Forwards too, atop a Routemaster bus.
barmyrob
I'm afraid the blame really lies with New Labour: Tony Blair & Gordon Brown.

They have been truly awful and people have realised quite what a mess they have made of this country.

Ken's vote actually held up quite well - this actually wasn't about personality - it was about the people falling out of love with NuLabour.

They are finished - they are over. Get used to David Cameron - he's the next PM.



Oh and as far as the RMT goes (re the Ken Liningstone thread) - yep I agree with Pete - they will be in opposition to Boris.

And it will be a disaster for the left, like the Unions in the 70's they'll only end up helping the Tories.
leccy
You're probably right Barmy, but what a sad state of affairs where important local elections become nothing more than an opinion poll on the sitting government.

The telly was full of it yesterday - compositing the total number of local council seats and making analysis that the Tories were 200 seats "ahead". 200 seats ahead in what? In a BBC video game popularity contest?

FFS don't people realise that they are supposed to be voting for local candidates on local issues and not as a proxy to send a message to the government.
barmyrob
QUOTE(leccy @ May 3 2008, 10:23 AM) *

FFS don't people realise that they are supposed to be voting for local candidates on local issues and not as a proxy to send a message to the government.


No

The Tories ripped the soul out of local government in the 80's - they have minimal power now - and New Labour - despite all the rhetoric have done fuck-all to return any semblance of democracy to local people, for local people, by local people.

It's the parties I blame - and their inherent tribalism.

Voting for Independents on local issues is the way forward. And really the way it should be...
Sarah lady
And what has happened in lots of councils - most of the Welsh councils have no overall control for instance.
Jon
QUOTE(leccy @ May 3 2008, 10:23 AM) *

You're probably right Barmy, but what a sad state of affairs where important local elections become nothing more than an opinion poll on the sitting government.

The telly was full of it yesterday - compositing the total number of local council seats and making analysis that the Tories were 200 seats "ahead". 200 seats ahead in what? In a BBC video game popularity contest?

FFS don't people realise that they are supposed to be voting for local candidates on local issues and not as a proxy to send a message to the government.

Jackie Smith (sic?) said that she thought the government deserved the kicking that they got last night to make them sit up and listen. Why did they stop listening?
Clearly the 'what if' and the 'what we should have done is' will be more rhetoric, and I think we're staring down the barrel of a new government at the next general election, despite local issues.

I wonder if the people that voted BoJo voted for the 'media personality' or against Ken?

I'm quite concerned that the BNP have won a seat, that's not good!
Sarah lady
I know people at work who had an "anyone but Ken" attitude, because they're really fucked off with a great deal of his time in office.

I also know from the youth trends studies we've done that a huge number of non politically active students view this Labour government the way my generation viewed the previous Tory government - they've been in power too long and we need a change.

I know its completely different for those of us who actually give a shit about policies and politics but for those who aren't, that's how they see it.

The electorates attention span isn't that long.
barmyrob
QUOTE(Jon @ May 3 2008, 10:38 AM) *

I'm quite concerned that the BNP have won a seat, that's not good!


I'm not surprised. But I don't think it's a disaster - they've actually done a lot worse than they expected to - they'll bragg about getting the fascist twat onto the assembly, but he will be useless (and roundly frozen out) - I doubt he'll even bother to turn up to meetings - which will be good for next time - in places where the BNP get in, their uselessness in office often (sadly not always) sees them out on their coat tails next time.

But see below from Searchlight: it's quite clear they've achieved very little and continue to be marginalised. No doubt the resurgent Tories also taking their votes - exactly what happened to teh NF in the 70's.

From the Searchlight website

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With all the results in bar London, the BNP now appears to have 55 councillors. The party went into the polls with 45, down from 50 immediately after last year’s elections and made a net gain of ten.

Although the BNP gained 13 new council seats, the party’s average vote was down in many areas.

The gains were in Nuneaton and Bedworth (2), Rotherham (2), Amber Valley (2), Stoke-on-Trent (3), Thurrock (1), Three Rivers (1), Pendle (1) and Calderdale (1), where the BNP has retaken a seat in Illingworth and Mixenden, a ward from where the party had previously been routed.

Despite the one gain in Thurrock, the result there is disappointing for the BNP, which threw serious resources into the borough, as it did last year without success.

But in Stoke-on-Trent the three new councillors join six others, giving the city the largest BNP council group nationally after Barking and Dagenham, which has 12.

An excellent result came in from Epping Forest District Council, where the BNP has lost two of the three seats it was defending. Pat Richardson appears to have got it right by moving to her husband’s safer seat as her old seat was one of those lost. The BNP is now down to four seats on the council. The good news was slightly tempered by the fact that the BNP took five seats on Loughton Town Council, but at least the party has stayed confined to the three wards where it has previously won seats.

In Burnley the BNP has retained a seat it was defending in Hapton with Park, but failed to make any gains in the borough. Another piece of excellent news is that David Exley lost the seat he was defending in Kirklees.

In London Richard Barnbrook received just 69,710 first preference votes in the mayoral election, which amounted to 2.89%. The only BNP candidate in the constituency part of the London Assembly election, Robert Bailey in City and East, received 18,020 votes, amounting to 9.6% in what is the BNP’s best area. Unfortunately however the BNP passed the 5% threshold for election to the London Assembly in the London-wide top-up vote with 5.3% (130,714 votes) but has only gained one seat, which will be taken by Barnbrook.

At the latest count we think the BNP stood 612 candidates in district and county elections in England and Wales, of whom 584 were in England and 28 in Wales.

In desperation the BNP is claiming it now holds over 100 council seats for the first time ever. The party is being disingenuous. If it is correct at all, the figure includes a large number of parish, town or community councillors, most of whom were elected unopposed to this lowest and usually non-political tier of local government.

Other far-right parties standing were: the National Front (5 candidates), England First Party (7 candidates + 1 parish candidate) and Democratic Nationalists – the new party registered by the rebels who fell out with the BNP over the December 2007 January 2008 period (9 candidates, all in Bradford). None of these parties achieved any success and some of the Democratic Nationalists seem to have had difficulty even persuading their friends and family to vote for them.
keri
i can't help think this has been elected mayor. actually, i would prefer mayor mccheese....Click to view attachment
JBoyd
QUOTE(barmyrob @ May 3 2008, 10:20 AM) *

I'm afraid the blame really lies with New Labour: Tony Blair & Gordon Brown.

They have been truly awful and people have realised quite what a mess they have made of this country.



I think some of the blame for London lies with Labour nationally; and most of the blame for the results outside London. Brown now has to move fast unless he is to fulfill his destiny as Jim Callaghan Mark II.

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Ken's vote actually held up quite well - this actually wasn't about personality - it was about the people falling out of love with NuLabour.



I'm not so sure; when I've been in London over the last few months I have got the impression that people were growing disillusioned with Ken. The fact that something as ludicrous as the bendy bus could count against him is symbolic. And he'd alienated people in a variety of ways.

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They are finished - they are over. Get used to David Cameron - he's the next PM.

Oh and as far as the RMT goes (re the Ken Liningstone thread) - yep I agree with Pete - they will be in opposition to Boris.

And it will be a disaster for the left, like the Unions in the 70's they'll only end up helping the Tories.


I think Labour can still win, though the odds are stacked against us and we have to change tack; Boris could also prove a liability to Cameron (though in practice I think he'll be closely managed by the Tories).


But there are a couple of other points: first, this election should prove once and for all that PR is not necessarily good for the Left/Centre-Left. People in the Labour Party have argued for years that PR would mean that a Right-wing Conservative administration could never be elected. Boris's victory (and the BNP win) should make advocates of PR think again.
And what about the Lib-Dems? At the last election we were being told that we should vote tactically to stop the Conservatives because the LDs were part of a wider 'Progressive' spectrum. To me, Paddick's campaign was inept and totally free of any charisma. But more importantly, his refusal to to even hint at who his supporters should give their second preference votes too (or even say who he'd put second himself), positioned the Lib Dems as equally opposed to Ken and Boris.
In fact if you assume that most left List and Green voters would put Ken 2nd, it looks as if most of the Lib Dems gave their second preferences to Boris. So much for the new progressive consensus....
damon
QUOTE(barmyrob @ May 3 2008, 10:20 AM) *

I'm afraid the blame really lies with New Labour: Tony Blair & Gordon Brown.
That may be the case in the country in general. But the difference in the vote between Livingstone and Johnson (I think) was closer to home, (London based) and was definately about Ken and Boris.

As I type, I am listening to Andrew Pierce (deputy editor of the Daily Telegraph) on his weekly sunday radio programme and Amanda Platell (of the Daily Mail) on LBC (London) radio, doing an analysis of the mayoral election, and asking callers to ring in and say why they think Boris won.
And as I suspected, it is for reasons like ''Ken's arrogance,'' or for the fact that he invited Yusuf Al-Qaradawi IPB Image to London.

This next one might sound like a small gripe, but I have heard it so often. Ken's giving 16 to 18 year olds free travel on the busses has led to a chorus of complaints. Even out in the suburbs, people have been complaining about the busses becoming intimidating, and I have seen it so often myself. So many youngsters don't even use a card when getting on a bus, but just walk straight past the driver. ''I'm under 18 so don't even have to show an Oyster card'' seems to be implied by these youngish people of indeterminant age, many of who will be over 18.

Also, I'd say that this bloke might have swung the election. IPB Image

That is Nick Ferrari, host of a morning radio talk show on LBC who has been banging on about Livingstone for years. He is decidely populist and reactionary, and his callers into the show tend to follow his lead.
So daily, there are the stories like the one of the hard working young family man who ended up with a criminal record because he over filled his dustbin; about the numbers of illegal immigrants living in the capital, about all the knife and gun crime; the 'useless' community support officers who don't even have powers of arrest etc etc etc. This goes on five days a week.
He has a few regular Jewish women (pro Israel) callers, who really went after Livingstone and his ''anti semitism.''

The founder of You Gov (the polling company) has just been on and said that this time, more than four years ago, the Tory activists were really making themselves visible out in the leafy suburbs. Leafletting at suburban railway stations after work. And the people from Bromley and Bexley came out in their extra thousands to vote for Boris.
And just this last second, Kelvin MacKenzie (former Sun editor and sometime LBC standin for Nick Ferrari) has just said that no, it wasn't the Evening Standard wot won it, but 'Bromley Man.'

Btw, I'm not fussed at all by Boris getting in. I'm glad to see the back of Ken.
Tye
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7382912.stm

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Hackney North's Labour MP Diane Abbott said Mr Johnson was "an accident waiting to happen".


Hardehar.
Pete
Well, the Tories will have to "parachute" (to use the new trendy phrase) people in to support someone who is clearly completely inept.

Thatcher, I hated, of course - didn't we all. But she was smart, no question. Much as I hate to admit it.

This is a man who is so thick he could probably run for president of the USA, and outdo Bush in a stupidity contest.

Really, it does scare me that obviously stupid people get into such massive positions of power.

It's a shame Ken was clearly losing all the way. He wasn't the Ken of old. Tired? Drunk? I dunno, but he clearly wasn't going to do it. Though I would point out that his personal performance was massively better than Labour's nationally.

'scuse me, from Robb's busk outside the Shelter Shop in Brighton yesterday, covering The Clash's "White Man in Hammersmith Palais":

"If Boris Johnson flew in today
They's send a limosine anyway
PREFERABLY A HEARSE"

But yeah, we're stuck with it now. I am still chuckling about the Tories' plans for "no strike agreements" with ASLEF and the RMT though. Er, no, I don't think so...
Pete
And dare I say this? And it's too late now...

But as Rob says, the BNP getting one seat on the GLA is pretty awful, but he will be marginalised, and all the other candidates walking out when he spoke yesterday was pretty symbolic.

I do wish, however, that Bill had thrown more of his weight behind being pro-Ken (which he has done many times in the past, as we all know), rather than just being anti-BNP. I understand totally his reasons for the anti-BNP stance, particularly as their grassroots support is in his 'manor'.

But he has campaigned and gigged for Ken on many previous occasions, going back to the GLC in 1985, and including the last two mayoral elections.

Not a swipe at Bill, and it probably wouldn't have made a difference, but I would have liked to see him taking a bit more of a pro-Ken stance, rather than just an anti-BNP one.

It's OK, when I next see him, I'll tell him myself. Politely. Just sharing my thoughts smile.gif
damon
This will definitely wind some people up. Boris has appointed Ray Lewis as his deputy mayor, with a particular responsibility for youth and youth crime.
Lewis is the founder of this organisation East Side Young Leaders Academy.
Just look at some of the people who are a part of it: the Archbishop of York, Steve Norris (tory), Francis Maude (tory) MP.
Here is a story about the appointment in today's Telegraph.

I say that it will wind some people up, because Johnson is coming at the issue of youth alienation and crime, from the opposite end that Livingstone and his race advisor Lee Jasper did.
Jasper gave funds to groups like 'Brixton Base' which from what I have read of it, offered a place for young black Londoners to hang out, and to record music. It also held many workshops which highlighted black history and politics, from a stance that some people might not feel has always been progressive. Perhaps divisive even.

Obviously Livingstone and Jasper didn't, but there is that other side of the black community that thinks more along the lines of Shaun Bailey and other organisations like the 'From Boyhood to Manhood Foundation.'

It's an interesting development.
Sarah lady
QUOTE(Pete @ May 4 2008, 04:30 PM) *

Well, the Tories will have to "parachute" (to use the new trendy phrase) people in to support someone who is clearly completely inept.

This is a man who is so thick he could probably run for president of the USA, and outdo Bush in a stupidity contest.



Pete, while I'm no fan of Boris, obviously - to call him stupid is to seriously underestimate him.
The man did Classics at Oxford - they don't give out places to idiots. He also won his scholarship to Eton.
As a 2nd generation immigrant, his family have worked their way up - he's not the landed gentry that everyone seems to think he is.
He's a buffoon, granted but he's not thick by any means.
Dickie
He's a buffon who is now well out of his depth and will end up looking even more completely stupid than he does now.
No doubting his intellect but the guy already has plenty of form in the stupid stakes.
barmyrob
QUOTE(Dickie @ May 6 2008, 02:02 PM) *

He's a buffon who is now well out of his depth and will end up looking even more completely stupid than he does now.


Never did George Bush any harm - he got re-elected.

Boris is much smarter than Bush. I'm sure he'll put his foot in it a fair few times, but I'm not convinced it will damage him.
Dickie
QUOTE(barmyrob @ May 6 2008, 02:14 PM) *

Boris is much smarter than Bush. I'm sure he'll put his foot in it a fair few times, but I'm not convinced it will damage him.


I think that will depend a lot on the editorial line of the London Evening Standard...so perhaps you will be proved correct.
Sarah lady
I think the Standard went a long way to ensure Ken didn't win this time. There wasn't an evening during the campaign where their headline wasn't an anti-Ken one, most of what they printed was utter tosh too.
Not sure they were openly pro-Boris but their continued effort to be anti-Ken really helped get Boris elected.
readytoswing
QUOTE(Sarah lady @ May 6 2008, 01:53 PM) *

QUOTE(Pete @ May 4 2008, 04:30 PM) *






The man did Classics at Oxford




That's most probably just about his most endearing quality to me.


Jeez and we used to laugh at the Americans for electing George W. We've just lost that right.
keri
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Jeez and we used to laugh at the Americans for electing George W. We've just lost that right.



yup.
damon
QUOTE(Jon @ Apr 2 2008, 08:16 AM) *

QUOTE(geoff @ Apr 2 2008, 01:31 AM) *

How so, Damon? What's your opinion?

Vanessa Feltz, Frank Furedi, Munira wassname, Talksport, DailyMail hasn't told him yet laugh.gif



QUOTE(nevski @ Apr 24 2008, 08:13 PM) *

QUOTE(damon @ Apr 24 2008, 03:30 PM) *

IPB Image So what do we tell Amina Taylor?



tell her what you like Damon. no i tell you what, tell her what SPIKED likes. or dotun. or debs orr. just don'tt waste my time talking about it here.

I think these two guys are missing something. Reading and listening to these various broadcasters, journalists and magazines (in my opinion) can lead one to having a wider view. (Not a narrow one).
For example, both nevski and Jon thought that the fact that I have mentioned some really good discussion on the Vanessa Feltz show as worthy of a laugh.gif. And mocked the idea of me taking my political ideas from Vanessa (or Dotun Adebayo or who ever). When the fact is, that this is not the case.
But that as a presenter she can be very level headed and objective in the way she runs a radio call-in programme.

This morning being a perfect example. She was asking what people made of Boris making Ray Lewis his deputy Mayor. He himself came on to her show at 35 minutes into the first hour, but it was the begining of the third hour that I thought started particularly interestingly.
And I would urge anyone seriously interested getting away from platitudes about Boris and the election to google BBC London, click on 'listen again' and then click on Vanessa Feltz's tuesday show.

Go on, it won't hurt.
Just do it, listen to the first caller (in the third hour), who is a single black mother whose son goes to Ray Lewis' Eastside Young Leaders Academy in east London. And listen to a couple of the callers after that. There is a cleavage of opinion on the show.
I rate Vanessa Feltz as a broadcaster.

And of course 'my cult' had something to say about this today. And guess what? It differs somewhat to how this thread has gone so far. (It really is worth a quick peruse in my opinion).
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Will the real Boris please stand up?

Contrary to what you might have read, the blonde buffoon and new mayor of London is neither a friend of liberty nor an evil Thatcherite.

So, has Boris Johnson, the new mayor, come to liberate London or destroy it? Is he, as a hastily constructed Facebook group claims, a ‘new dawn’ for the capital, who will release the city from the ‘tyranny of Ken’ and allow us once more to ‘drive our cars where we want, or even have a fag over a pint in the pub’? Or is he the ‘son of Thatcher’ in a bouncy blonde wig, a sinister, posh Tory who has hoodwinked the London electorate into believing he is a loveable oaf with a speech impediment?

He’s neither. Boris is not the anti-Ken lover of liberty that his supporters claim - nor is he the living embodiment of old-school Toryism depicted by his opponents. In fact, he’s a very modern politician, one who, in the absence of core convictions, trades on his personality and celebrity instead. Boris is business as usual in British politics… but the responses to his election are telling indeed.
geoff
QUOTE(damon @ May 7 2008, 02:26 AM) *
I think these two guys are missing something. Reading and listening to these various broadcasters, journalists and magazines (in my opinion) can lead one to having a wider view. (Not a narrow one).
In general terms, I agree with you Damon. A broad set of influences will give a broad perspective. But I'm going to choose my own resources rather than be dictated by you, thanks all the same.

But I do think it's a pity it's a radio show. I'd have liked to have seen a cleavage of opinion. blink.gif
Dickie
For some reason I’m convinced that there is a link between Boris Johnson and Tom Bower the husband of the current Evening Standard Editor Veronica Wadley.

I’m sure it was something I read in a ‘sketch’ but a web search has so far proved fruitless.

damon
geoff, I don't know where you get this idea of 'dictating.'
But your opinion is a common one on here I think.
That (unfounded) view leads to anti-politics. It's (just a tiny little bit) like cutting off your nose to spite your face. It's not clever, and leads to narrow minded sectarianism (but just in my opinion - that's all).

What I mean is; you have people saying how they thought it so important to back Ken Livingstone, as Boris was all those things that some people have said; (racist Tory toff etc). And how it might be better to just leave the capital and move to the country now that Boris had got in. (As if the countryside isn't worse smile.gif ).

So I'll say something about the deputy mayor for youth and youth crime that the mayor has just appointed.
And I'll do a link about him from the paper, and tell how ths anouncement has caused a cleavage of opinion on local London radio, that you could actually listen to if you were at all interested - you geoff seem to think that's dictating sad.gif - dear dear.

This was the guy that the Mayor appointed IPB Image and his idea for sorting out youth is to get them involved in community projects, or like was on the news yesterday, sending lads down to the fire station for five days, to train with the firefighters.
You should have heard Local radio this last couple of days, the people from the suburbs love the idea.
This bloke is a former prison governor, with that hands on kind of approach that conservatives love.

He talks about family, community, respect, duty etc. (Tory values). Whereas Livingstones kind of politics was more about backing groups with the politics like The 1990 Trust. From Wikipedia:
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The 1990 Trust is the first UK national Black organisation set up to protect and pioneer the interest of Britain’s Black Communities. Their approach is to engage in policy development and to articulate the needs of Black communities from a Black perspective.

Key figures in the organisation include Lee Jasper, David Weaver and Karen Chouhan. It works closely with the National Assembly Against Racism and Operation Black Vote.

The 1990 Trust uses the term 'black' as a political term, in common with the rest of the British anti-racist movement, to refer to all people of African, Caribbean and Asian descent.

Its stated goals are:

To establish and influence the practical implementation of the principle that ‘Racism is a violation of human rights’ for example via the monitoring and analysis of public policy and parliamentary legislation to assess the implications for and effects on the quality of life of Black communities and to keep Black communities informed of progress on these initiatives
To establish an international reputation for excellence and innovation, as an exemplar organisation demonstrating the benefits of African, Asian, and Caribbean communities working collectively in tackling racism
To develop self organisation and community leadership to empower Black communities in tackling racism and in reaching their full potential

So geoff, I don't know where you get this idea of dictating from. But you are obviously one of many who think that way.

For example geoff (and I don't know if you're actually interested in Boris or not, but you're on this thread), this is something you will have chosen to completely be unaware of (and as I say - you're probably not that interested about London's mayor):
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Apologising for and publicly disavowing his ‘beliefs’ has become Boris’s most recognisable character trait. One of his most controversial attacks was on the Macpherson Inquiry into the murder of black London teenager Stephen Lawrence. In a stinging critique published in the Daily Telegraph in 1999 he laid into Macpherson’s undeniably authoritarian recommendations, including its proposal that the law should be changed so that people could be prosecuted for using racist language somewhere ‘other than in a public place’. That is, at home. ‘Not even under the law of Ceausescu’s Romania could you be prosecuted for what you said in your own kitchen’, he wrote. Yet when, last year, journalists and Stephen Lawrence’s mother, Doreen, cited Boris’s attacks on the Macpherson Inquiry as evidence that he is ‘not fit to be mayor of London’ (apparently Londoners are forbidden from publicly criticising any aspect of Macpherson), Boris said he was sorry if his seven-year-old comments caused any offence.

What Boris said there was very important: to understanding both him, and those that denounced him for it, and trying to understand the politics that ebb and flow around issues like that.

I don't know if any of that was brought to your attention somewhere else geoff.
nevski
are the routemasters back yet? the Bendy buses at the scrapyard?

Sarah lady
I hate the bendy buses - they're shit!
Dickie
Has he signed a no strike-deal with the RMT, ASLEF and the TSSA yet?
(It's a rhetorical question.)
Toby
Boris responds to complaints of a Stalinist/nanny state under Red Ken and New Labour by... banning alcohol consumption on the transport system. Doubtless to be reinforced with a system of swingeing fines.

It's not that I think this is a bad idea, but weren't many of Boris's voters hoping for a new age of tax-free libertarianism and do-what-thou-willst (as long as thou isn't a chav)?
Dickie
Legislation like that needs testing.
I suggest a Circle Line party...ain't done one of those since the 80's either.
Toby
QUOTE(Dickie @ May 7 2008, 01:10 PM) *
Legislation like that needs testing.
I suggest a Circle Line party...ain't done one of those since the 80's either.

You will be arrested by an elite group of community support officers who kneel on your windpipe 'by accident' as you fight to hold on to your Tennants Super Tramp Juice.
Dickie
QUOTE(Toby @ May 7 2008, 01:15 PM) *
QUOTE(Dickie @ May 7 2008, 01:10 PM) *
Legislation like that needs testing.
I suggest a Circle Line party...ain't done one of those since the 80's either.

You will be arrested by an elite group of community support officers who kneel on your windpipe 'by accident' as you fight to hold on to your Tennants Super Tramp Juice.




I was having second thoughts about the party anyway. I’d have to take my wine cooler, then there’s the problem of clean glasses before I can even think about how I’d warm the canapés. Perhaps I’ll just stay home and swear at Question Time instead.



damon
But Boris isn't a freewheeling libertarian at all. He has been going around and apologising for everything he previously said, for several years now.
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Following his public apology to the people of Liverpool in 2004 (after his then magazine the Spectator criticised the city’s ‘victim culture’), and his apology to the people of Papua New Guinea in 2006 (after he wrote about the Tory Party being consumed by ‘Papua New Guinea-style orgies of cannibalism and chief-killing’), Boris has said he needs to organise a ‘global itinerary of apology’. Some call it gaffe-making; it also smells a lot like political cowardice. Boris clearly has no firm, long-standing connection with the words or ideas that fly from his gob.


The myth that Boris is a man of conviction or a ‘liberator of London’ should have been exploded by his first day in the job of mayor. He once compared the smug, penny-pinching, anti-masses campaign against climate change to a ‘new religion’, arguing that some people ‘want the sweet moralistic feeling of telling someone to stop doing something… the moralising mumbo-jumbo becomes more important than the scientific reality’. Yet now he has declared his opposition to expanding Heathrow airport, banned London officials from flying around the UK, and announced his intention to plant 10,000 trees to ‘tackle global warming’ - which will do precisely nothing to change the Earth’s atmosphere but might do something to convince London that Boris, like Ken, is green to the core.

And while the ''picannines/watermellon smiles'' thing really was out of order, the thing about ''cannibalism and chief-killing'' did make me laugh at the time.
But of course, someone went and contacted the Papua New Guinean embassy and told them about it.

As mayor, he has to behave and watch his words.
Back then he was just a maverick tory MP.
Jon
QUOTE(Toby @ May 7 2008, 01:03 PM) *

Boris responds to complaints of a Stalinist/nanny state under Red Ken and New Labour by... banning alcohol consumption on the transport system. Doubtless to be reinforced with a system of swingeing fines.

It's not that I think this is a bad idea, but weren't many of Boris's voters hoping for a new age of tax-free libertarianism and do-what-thou-willst (as long as thou isn't a chav)?


As I read it, this is the first step in trying to ban public drunkeness, so I'd wonder if the next step is to reintroduce smoking in pubs?
Toby
QUOTE(Jon @ May 7 2008, 04:24 PM) *

As I read it, this is the first step in trying to ban public drunkeness, so I'd wonder if the next step is to reintroduce smoking in pubs?

Excellent! I have visions of tanked-up hordes stepping provocatively over the line that divides Greater London from everywhere else, and back again, taunting the cops. They will be wearing Boris Johnson masks and comedy police helmets. Of course, the really drunk ones will quickly become confused, staggering 'back' triumphantly into the arms of grim-faced plod.
Leontien
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From nanny state to police state, a bit like the Netherlands then. Oh joy.

itsmeBarbara
I'm sorry, your new Mayor might suck, but not even close:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jh...itle=rustbelt-f
LeftintheUS
QUOTE(itsmeBarbara @ May 7 2008, 09:48 AM) *

I'm sorry, your new Mayor might suck, but not even close:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jh...itle=rustbelt-f

Oh. My. God. That R. Kelly impersonator bit was the bomb!
barmyrob
Do you think that someone should tell Boris that most of the train companies serving London actively encourage the consumption of alcohol on their trains by, er, selling it!
Jon
QUOTE(Toby @ May 7 2008, 05:02 PM) *

Excellent! I have visions of tanked-up hordes stepping provocatively over the line that divides Greater London from everywhere else, and back again, taunting the cops. They will be wearing Boris Johnson masks and comedy police helmets. Of course, the really drunk ones will quickly become confused, staggering 'back' triumphantly into the arms of grim-faced plod.

I like it! I'm going to sign up and.....
QUOTE(barmyrob @ May 7 2008, 10:30 PM) *

Do you think that someone should tell Boris that most of the train companies serving London actively encourage the consumption of alcohol on their trains by, er, selling it!

....I'll be on the 8:15 from Temple Meads biggrin.gif
damon
But the mayor doesn't have control of the trains, so is not advocating it for them.

Bob Crow, leader of the RMT (who can't pronounce the word 'underground' properly, even though he uses it in every other sentence) said that the ban was unworkable, and suggested Boris might like to get on a tube train when Liverpool football fans were in town, and personally try to confiscate their booze off them.
(After his magazine had suggested that scousers had a propensity to wallow in self pity, - which they do.)

And Barbara, I think our old mayor sucked more.
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The reason why Boris and a coterie of like-minded Tories could pose as the ‘defenders of freedom’ in recent years is not because they are truly devoted to free thought, speech and to more choice in our daily lives, but because the left turned freedom into a dirty word, leaving it open to being co-opted by elements on the right.

Under Labour and its left-liberal supporters, freedom of speech has come to be viewed as the harbinger of hate and violence; freedom of choice is seen as deeply unhealthy (people will smoke, eat fatty foods, and have sex without condoms); and freedom of association - especially between adults and children - is a positive minefield of potential abuse and mayhem. Indeed, the left’s degraded view of freedom is personified in ousted mayor Ken Livingstone, who is insanely hailed as ‘the most progressive politician’ in Britain on the basis that he is serious, sour-faced, austere, illiberal and willing to force changes in people’s behaviour in order to ‘save the planet’. In short, to be left-wing is to be No Fun.

JBoyd
QUOTE(damon @ May 8 2008, 10:41 AM) *

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The reason why Boris and a coterie of like-minded Tories could pose as the ‘defenders of freedom’ in recent years is not because they are truly devoted to free thought, speech and to more choice in our daily lives, but because the left turned freedom into a dirty word, leaving it open to being co-opted by elements on the right.

Under Labour and its left-liberal supporters, freedom of speech has come to be viewed as the harbinger of hate and violence; freedom of choice is seen as deeply unhealthy (people will smoke, eat fatty foods, and have sex without condoms); and freedom of association - especially between adults and children - is a positive minefield of potential abuse and mayhem. Indeed, the left’s degraded view of freedom is personified in ousted mayor Ken Livingstone, who is insanely hailed as ‘the most progressive politician’ in Britain on the basis that he is serious, sour-faced, austere, illiberal and willing to force changes in people’s behaviour in order to ‘save the planet’. In short, to be left-wing is to be No Fun.



Now I'm wondering whether these people really were in the RCP in the good old days.
Because being a member of a revolutionary cadre was never meant to be 'fun'.....
keri
A Tiffany paperweight isn't a novelty gift. But a crap Undergroud shirt, is... just crap.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/pressass/20080509...ts-6323e80.html

geoff
I used to have a t-shirt with the Tokyo Underground map on it. I wonder if it is still here somewhere?

I certainly don't have any Tiffany paperweights. Around here that would be more of a novelty than a t-shirt!
keri
boris is a cheap bastard, i bet that shirt cost a tenner while the paperweight

http://www.tiffany.com/Shopping/Item.aspx?...n+6-ri+-ni+0-t+
geoff
... there's another website I'd not needed to visit before!
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