Abortion, why should it be legal?

Haven't we done this before?

Here's an example: where the pregnancy (or the process of birth) could be harmful to the mother.

It's not black and white, Jimmy - although I notice you're orange.

Jimmy, you're probably now seriously annoying the god named Toby. Your thread was closed. Live with it or move on.
This is the Billy Bragg forum,

You're right, Jimmy. But you've never had a discussion. You've contradicted, produced horrifying images whose only purpose was to shock, and not produced a single cogent argument to back up your theories (which are pretty nutso to begin with).

Take your god-bothering elsewhere and have a wank. As Leontien says, this is the Billy Bragg forum.

Got a mirror?

I like the Free Speech thread much better.

Let's face it Jimmy, you had plenty of opportunity to discuss the subject of abortion, but you blew it. You made no effort to engage in any dialogue outside your own dogma.

Speaking of which, here's an interesting quote which appears to contradict your own dogmatic view Jimmy that a "person" is created at the moment of conception:

"The Christian churches teach not that the early embryo is certainly a person..."

- Theologians' Brief to the House of Lords Select Committee on Stem Cell Research by an ad hoc group of Christian theologians from the Anglican, Catholic, Orthodox and Reformed traditions and endorsed by:

Cardinal Cahal B Daly, BA MA DD, Peritus at Vatican II, Archbishop Emeritus of Armagh, Primate Emeritus of All Ireland.

Rt Rev Kallistos Ware, MA DPhil, Bishop of Diokleia in the Orthodox Archdiocese of Thyateira and Great Britain, Lecturer in Eastern Orthodox Studies, Oxford University.

Most Rev Rowan Williams, MA DPhil DD, FBA, Bishop of Monmouth, Archbishop of Wales.

Rev Prof Benedict M Ashley OP, MA STL PhD PhD STM, Adjunct Professor, Center for Healthcare Ethics, St Louis University, St Louis, Missouri.

Dr Margaret Atkins, MA MA PhD, Lecturer in Theology, Trinity and All Saints College, Leeds.

Rev Prof Michael Banner, BA DPhil, Professor of Moral and Social Theology, King's College, London.

Rev Prof Nigel M de S Cameron, MA BD PhD, Professor of Theology and Culture, Trinity International University, Illinois.

Prof Celia Deane-Drummond, BA MA PhD PhD, Professor in Theology and the Biological Sciences, Chester College, University of Liverpool.

Prof Michael J Gorman, BA MDiv PhD, Dean, The Ecumenical Institute of Theology, Professor of New Testament and Early Church History, St Mary's University and Seminary, Baltimore, Maryland.

Prof Vigen Guroian, BA PhD, Professor of Theology and Ethics, Loyola College, Baltimore, Maryland, Visiting Lecturer, St Nersess Armenian Seminary.

Prof Andrew Louth, MA MA MTh DD, Professor of Patristic and Byzantine Studies, University of Durham.

Prof William E May, BA MA PhD, Professor of Moral Theology, John Paul II Institute for Marriage and Family, Washington.

Rev Herbert McCabe OP, STL BA STM, Lecturer in Theology, Blackfriars Hall, Oxford.

Prof Gilbert Meilaender, BA MDiv PhD, Professor of Christian Ethics, Valparaiso, Indiana.

Prof John Milbank, BA MA PhD DD, Professor of Philosophical Theology, University of Virginia.

Dr C Ben Mitchell, BS MDiv PhD, Senior Fellow, The Center for Bioethics & Human Dignity, Bannockburn, Illinois.

Rev Dr Aidan Nichols OP, STL MA DipTheol PhD, Affiliated lecturer, Divinity Faculty, Cambridge University, Lecturer in Theology, Blackfriars Hall, Oxford.

Rev Prof Oliver O'Donovan, MA DPhil, Canon of Christi Church, Regius Professor of Moral and Pastoral Theology, Oxford University.

Rev Terence Phipps MA AM STL, Lecturer in Moral Theology, Allen Hall, London.

Prof John Rist, MA, FRSC, Professor Emeritus, University of Toronto, Visiting Professor, Institutum Patristicum Augustinianum, Rome.

Prof John Saward, BA MLitt, Professor of Dogmatic Theology, International Theological Institute, Gaming Austria, Aquinas Fellow, Plater College, Oxford.

Dr Robert Song, MA DPhil, Lecturer in Theology, University of Durham.

Rev Dr Thomas G Weinandy OFMCap, BA MA MA PhD, Warden, Tutorial Fellow in Theology, Greyfriars, Oxford.


It would appear that the dogmatic can't even agree on which hoops to jump through!

I've just been studying Law and Medicine, and one of the gaps in the pointy end of Medical Negligence (in Australia at least) is that a 'person' doesn't exist until it is born. Note there is a definite distinction between the legal and moral and ethical positions.

I closed the previous topic on abortion because it had long since descended into pointless argument. Everyone had plenty of opportunity to air their arguments and prejudices, so this is hardly a case of trampling on free speech.

I'm closing this topic before it goes the same way.