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Jon D
http://www.guardian.co.uk/farright/story/0....html?gusrc=rss

Lies, myths and falsehoods: a day in the life of the BNP's stronghold
urbanite
Typical BNP tactics ...
the klf
Also,typical Guardian tactics.
Jon D
The grauni is usually pretty good about printing an apology if it gets it's facts wrong.
the klf
Its had plenty of practice. rolleyes.gif

I'm talking more about having agendas,biases and prejudices, in seeking out certain subjects and then reporting on them.I certainly would never trust any news article by The Guardian on the BNP, as being accurate and unbiased.
Jon D
telegraph then? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml...5/11/nbnp11.xml

The lure of the nazi handbag and suspenders...
urbanite
QUOTE(the klf @ Jul 8 2006, 04:32 PM) *

Its had plenty of practice. rolleyes.gif

I'm talking more about having agendas,biases and prejudices, in seeking out certain subjects and then reporting on them.I certainly would never trust any news article by The Guardian on the BNP, as being accurate and unbiased.
Ah well, as to that ... Far be it from anyone to point out the obvious fact that the BNP has a definite agenda, a decided bias and is absolutely riddled with prejudice. That the BNP relies on spreading a rhetoric of misinformation, twisting and misrepresenting facts to further their own perverse xenophobic world view. ohmy.gif What is perhaps more important is that I have yet to see the BNP apologise for any factually inaccurate statements it has made . rolleyes.gif
Tinker
QUOTE(the klf @ Jul 8 2006, 04:32 PM) *

Its had plenty of practice. rolleyes.gif

I'm talking more about having agendas,biases and prejudices, in seeking out certain subjects and then reporting on them.I certainly would never trust any news article by The Guardian on the BNP, as being accurate and unbiased.


No one could ever accuse you of having an agenda, klf

Odd to hear you condemn the Guardian in such strong language. You seem quite happy to use them when it suits your purpose.

As you probably recall, last Wednesday, in the 'What Muslims Think' thread, post 109, your answer to a question of mine was to simply post a link to a Guardian article on Britishness. If they can't be trusted to report on the BNP, then why trust them to express your idea of what constititutes British values?
the klf
Because i was trying to find the exact quote from the government on the definiton of 'Britsh values'.It so happened that The Guardian was the first wedpage on google ,that quoted directly the Higher Education minister on the subject.I'm quite happy when The Guardian are directly quoting offical sources taken from public meetings.

What i'm less happy about accepting as fact,is The Guardians reporting on subjects that they are highly biased about,and about subjects that they can't be relied on to report even slighly fairly or objectively on.

I'm not looking to defend the BNP.They are a party i wouldn't vote for in a million years.I'm just saying that i can't accept as fact,any article about them contained in The Guardian.It would be like accepting as fair and unbiased, an article about George Bush in The al-qaeda gazette. unsure.gif
joaniecrumpet
For fuck's sake, KLF, you really take the frigging Hobnob sometimes. Not trusting the Guardian because they're biased against the BNP? Well you know, there are a lot of things a person could hold against the Guardian, but being biased against the BNP? Anybody with a shred of fucking decency or humanity is biased against the BNP.

So you wouldn't vote for them in a million years? Big fucking deal. Not that I believe you, anyway. But what you are is an apologist for the BNP and frankly, I'm not sure which is worse: being an out-and-out, unashamed fascist or creeping around in corners trying to be the acceptable face of fascism.

You are a bloody racist. Deny it all you like - it's a simple fact proved by countless statements you've made here. And having a go at the Guardian for being biased against the BNP makes you a racist fucking twat.
Tinker
QUOTE(the klf @ Jul 9 2006, 12:00 AM) *

Because i was trying to find the exact quote from the government on the definiton of 'Britsh values'.It so happened that The Guardian was the first wedpage on google ,that quoted directly the Higher Education minister on the subject.I'm quite happy when The Guardian are directly quoting offical sources taken from public meetings.

What i'm less happy about accepting as fact,is The Guardians reporting on subjects that they are highly biased about,and about subjects that they can't be relied on to report even slighly fairly or objectively on.

I'm not looking to defend the BNP.They are a party i wouldn't vote for in a million years.I'm just saying that i can't accept as fact,any article about them contained in The Guardian.It would be like accepting as fair and unbiased, an article about George Bush in The al-qaeda gazette. unsure.gif


I think its interesting that the very issue that the Guardian are highlighting in the article is illustrated by your post:

"Outside the chamber, however, the BNP seems to be winning the battle for many hearts and minds. Before the election the party put out leaflets claiming that burglaries were up 79%, robberies up 80%, violent crime up 61% and that 33% of the borough's residents were now from minority ethnic groups.

The Barking and Dagenham Post checked the figures and found that burglaries were down 11.7%, robberies up by 5%, rapes were down 10.8%, violent crime was up by 1.2% and around 15% of residents were from an ethnic minority.

"The problem," says the Post's editor, Barry Kirk, "is that people seem to believe them."


One of the difficulties that anti-BNP campaigners face is the dogged willingness of BNP supporters to believe their lies even when confronted with the facts. Rather than accept the reality of the situation, they simply convince themselves that whoever is providing the information must be biased against them.
urbanite
QUOTE(Tinker @ Jul 9 2006, 01:22 AM) *

One of the difficulties that anti-BNP campaigners face is the dogged willingness of BNP supporters to believe their lies even when confronted with the facts. Rather than accept the reality of the situation, they simply convince themselves that whoever is providing the information must be biased against them.

Not that you could say that they are a paranoid bunch ... Come to think of it, that is exactly what you could say and you'd be 100% correct too.
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