What no F4J post,

Well for what it's worth, just like the Countryside Alliance and UKIP they are a bunch of right wing reactionaries who should have spent more time with their wife and kids and less time down the pub with their mates talking about football and lager (no stereotyping there then!)

thank you and goodnight.

They should have plotted to kidnap the whole Government and drown them just off shore. No ransome, just drowning.

It's got to be better than dressing like a twat and climbing a building...

and now the leader of F4J has disbanded it, great well done Tony for sending MI5/special Branch to sort the immature selfish so called Dads out.

they've just been forced underground.

*you wait till christmas next year. they'll be bombing the underground. you mark my words.



*irony alert

I know Fathers for Justice had a dodgy agenda and I don't want it thought that I supported either their aims, objectives or methods but…

There are a number or annoying legal areas where responsible fathers in serious, long term, happy relationships are not afforded the same legal rights (Parental Responsibility) as the mother unless they are either married to or divorced from that child's mother.

I realise there are numerous reasons why this should be the case but it still seems bizarre to me that in the 21st century Marriage is still so legally important.

I fully agree with you Dickie.

There are some awful injustices in family law and some loopholes that have been used by the female partners in unhappy relationships to completely destroy familial bonds.

I speak from personal experience.

I have a four year daughter, I last saw her when she was three weeks old. Things didn't work out between me and her mother, and following a very acrimonious split (during which I had to call the Police to report an assault - she kicked the crap out of me, and when they arrived, despite me being the one bleeding from a very swollen face, they cautioned me!!! ), we worked out a system of meetings and a payment schedule. Things, although throughly shit, were going to plan. Then she started to delay the meetings and demand more money, and then, to no-one's surprise, she didn't show up one weekend, and when myself and a member of my family went to the house where she'd been living, we found the place empty and her and my daughter gone.

I went to the Police. As far as I am concerned she abducted my child, however, as we were not married, it wasn't abduction, and legally a mother cannot abduct her own child, I was told. I went to everyone for help, and they all said the same thing - if you're not married, we can't help. Some of them even bothered to say sorry. I even went to the CSA and gave them all of mine and the mothers details, but they said they couldn't do anything until the mother made a claim. I was frantic at this point and truely hating the way the system is set up. And time just began to pass.

Two years ago I managed to track down the mother, and wrote to her. There was, of course, no reply. I have never wanted to go to that address - I know how violent she can be, and do not want to muddy the waters by being called a stalker... Shortly afterwards, however, I recieved a pack from the CSA. Bingo. A step in the right direction. She would now have to prove my paternity to get anything from me. I was delighted, and rang the CSA to arrange the neccessary appointments and contact be made with the mother, but, I was told that the claim had been cancelled by the claimant. Since then nothing. I have written to them on several occassions, all to no avail.

I'm not a Christian - I don't like the way that the system is totally based around the Christian religion - it's bollocks at the best and devious and manipulative normally. All I want to do is have as a normal as possible child/parent relationship with my daughter in this difficult circumstance. Instead of that I don't even know where she is now, and I don't trust the woman she is with, but no-one will listen to me, because we're not married.

And that fucking sucks.

In Holland these loopholes are basically fixed. I'm not married, but my love has the same rights to the baby as I have. We had to send off some forms to a local court and they registered both of us as 'legal guardians'.

However, getting the same acces to your kids after a messy divorce is not only a legal matter. If the mum doesn't want her ex near her kids, the dad has a hell of a time enforcing his legal rights...

Edited to say:
I only just read your story dissident and I really feel for you. That truly truly sucks.
I hope things change soon

A really sad story Diss, my heart goes out to you, I think you could have been a great Dad to your daughter,

Good luck and I hope that you get the happyness that you deserve some day soon,

Best,

Mick

And I thought I was hard done by just getting to see my kids once a week.

That sucks man - sorry.

Dissident, I truly feel for you. If I couldn't see TLB I think I'd lose the will to live. But don't give up the fight I reckon your daughter will appreciate it in the long run. The law, in this case, is a total ass!

Thanks for the words of support, I wasn't expecting them at all.

I guess I'm disappointed that an organisation that could have done so much for fathers and their children, ended being the mess that it was.

I know passions run high when a child is being taken away from a parent, but that's no excuse for the right-wing reactionaries to take over what is a valid cause.

It's a pity, but I thought their scope wasn't wide enough. Mine is just one of hundreds of almost identical stories out there, and there are so many children being denied their fathers because they have no back-up in law.

Fathers 4 Justice in the news.

http://sports.espn.go.com/golf/britishopen...tory?id=2529380

From the article:

A man who threw purple dye on the 18th green at the British Open was sentenced Tuesday to eight weeks in jail.

Paul Addison, 40, pleaded guilty to five counts of criminal damage at the Wirral Magistrates Court near Liverpool. Stephen Fletcher, 35, was sentenced to five weeks of unpaid community services after pleading guilty to the same charges.

The two said they represented a group called "Real Fathers 4 Justice." The group is a campaign for father's rights in child custody cases.

My comment:

I wonder what statement they were trying to make with the purple dye.

perhaps batman likes purple.

That's it! Here comes the infighting. I'm starting my own campaign called the "23 Paired Chromosomes Parentage Committee"

popular fathers justice (sect. 4).


splitters.