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pink shay
apparently it is fine to use torture to obtain information from suspected terrorists.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/terrorism/story/...1659057,00.html
Dickie
Well it's not fine unless you're in the C.I.A.

www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/24/AR2005102402051.html
LeftintheUS
Time to re-up my annual membership.

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/ACLU_files_s...ition_1206.html

From the article...

The American Civil Liberties Union will file a lawsuit today against former CIA director George Tenet and three American contractors challenging the CIA’s abduction of a foreign national for detention and interrogation in a secret overseas prison...

The lawsuit was filed on behalf of Khaled El-Masri, an German citizen later found innocent who was victimized by the CIA’s policy of “extraordinary rendition.”

My comment...

The ACLU always seems to fight the good fight.

From the article...

According to the ACLU lawsuit, El-Masri, a 42-year-old German citizen and father of five young children, was forcibly abducted while on holiday in Macedonia. He was detained incommunicado, beaten, drugged, and transported to a secret CIA prison in Afghanistan, where he was subjected to inhumane conditions and coercive interrogation. El-Masri was forbidden from contacting a lawyer or any member of his family. After several months of confinement in squalid conditions, he was abandoned on a hill in Albania with no explanation, never having been charged with a crime.

According to the ACLU, soon after El-Masri was flown to Afghanistan, CIA officers realized that they had abducted, detained, and interrogated an innocent man. Tenet, former director the CIA, was notified about the mistake, yet El-Masri remained in detention for two more months.

My comment...

Oooooooooops!

From the article...

El-Masri had planned to be present at the press conference announcing the filing of this lawsuit, and to visit Capitol Hill to share his account with congressional aides. However, when his plane landed at Hartsfield International Airport in Atlanta on Saturday night, he was denied entry to the United States by officials of the Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement. El-Masri was sent back to Germany on the next available flight. U.S. officials have provided no reason for their refusal to admit El-Masri, a German citizen who has never been charged with a crime.

My comment...

It just keeps getting worse.
Alberr
Apparently, after realising they had an innocent man in the dungeons, they released him. The poor man was dumped in Albania ... not even given the price of a ticket home ...

QUOTE
Friday January 14, 2005
The Guardian

A man is walking alone along a mountain path in the darkness. He is carrying a suitcase. He seems frightened, tired and confused. He has long hair and a long beard, but they are untidy, as if he did not grow them voluntarily. He turns a bend and meets three men carrying Kalashnikovs.
The man shows them his passport. It indicates that he is a German citizen, born in Lebanon, called Khaled el-Masri. Using poor English, he tells them that he does not know where he is. They tell him that he is on the Albanian border, close to Serbia and Macedonia, and that he is there illegally since he doesn't have an Albanian stamp in his passport.


I am becoming increasingly depressed and despondent at hearing more and more dreadful accounts like this ... were we ever the good guys?

Full story ...
Khaled el-Masri
LeftintheUS
It turns out that these torture flights, or "renditions" as the Bush Administhation likes to call them are pretty effective in producing results.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/09/politics...MgtI/UYhEI93RZA

From the article...

The Bush administration based a crucial prewar assertion about ties between Iraq and Al Qaeda on detailed statements made by a prisoner while in Egyptian custody who later said he had fabricated them to escape harsh treatment, according to current and former government officials.

The officials said the captive, Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi, provided his most specific and elaborate accounts about ties between Iraq and Al Qaeda only after he was secretly handed over to Egypt by the United States in January 2002, in a process known as rendition.

The new disclosure provides the first public evidence that bad intelligence on Iraq may have resulted partly from the administration's heavy reliance on third countries to carry out interrogations of Qaeda members and others detained as part of American counterterrorism efforts. The Bush administration used Mr. Libi's accounts as the basis for its prewar claims, now discredited, that ties between Iraq and Al Qaeda included training in explosives and chemical weapons.

The fact that Mr. Libi recanted after the American invasion of Iraq and that intelligence based on his remarks was withdrawn by the C.I.A. in March 2004 has been public for more than a year. But American officials had not previously acknowledged either that Mr. Libi made the false statements in foreign custody or that Mr. Libi contended that his statements had been coerced.

My comment...

Ooooops!!
LeftintheUS
Imagine that.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...6090701504.html

From the article:

Confirmation of CIA Prisons Leaves Europeans Mistrustful

PARIS, President Bush's transfer of terrorism suspects out of secret CIA prisons to the Guantanamo detention facility would do little to repair transatlantic distrust that has grown in recent years, political analysts in France and other European countries said Thursday.

"How willing a really liberal Democrat is to listen to George Bush -- that's about how willing the French are," said Nicole Bacharan, an expert on French-American relations at the Institute for Political Studies in Paris.

Bush's acknowledgment Wednesday of the CIA prisons' existence -- and his refusal to say where they were -- touched off new demands in Europe for a full accounting of the locations. The Washington Post reported last year that some were in Eastern Europe, but it did not name countries at the request of U.S. officials.

My comment:

Why would the Europeans be mistrustful? Because Bush is an outright liar? Poor reason.
LeftintheUS
QUOTE(LeftintheUS @ Dec 6 2005, 12:00 PM) *

Time to re-up my annual membership.

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/ACLU_files_s...ition_1206.html

From the article...

The American Civil Liberties Union will file a lawsuit today against former CIA director George Tenet and three American contractors challenging the CIA’s abduction of a foreign national for detention and interrogation in a secret overseas prison...

The lawsuit was filed on behalf of Khaled El-Masri, an German citizen later found innocent who was victimized by the CIA’s policy of “extraordinary rendition.”

My comment...

The ACLU always seems to fight the good fight...

This sick injustice continues...

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/29/washingt...qDnLJ6s8BS88/0g

From the article:

A lawyer for a German man who was abducted while on vacation in Macedonia and said he was tortured while in C.I.A. custody in Afghanistan urged a federal appeals court on Tuesday to reinstate his lawsuit against the agency, which had been dismissed for national security reasons.

In May, a federal trial judge threw out the suit brought by Khaled el-Masri, who said he was an innocent victim of the Central Intelligence Agency’s program of transferring terrorism suspects secretly to other countries for detention and interrogation. Judge T. S. Ellis III of Federal District Court in Alexandria said that although it appeared a great injustice might have been done to Mr. Masri, he was persuaded by the government that there was no way to even begin a trial without impermissibly disclosing state secrets.

My comment:

It seems patently unjust that the defendant can claim the evidence condemning them to be a state secret and thereby let themselves off the hook.

From the article:

Benjamin Wizner, a lawyer with the American Civil Liberties Union, told a three-judge appeals panel on Tuesday that the government’s position was absurd because what happened to Mr. Masri had hardly remained secret. He noted that the German government was openly investigating whether its officials had played a role in Mr. Masri’s ordeal, and numerous news accounts have quoted unidentified American officials as confirming what happened.

Mr. Wizner said the government had not plausibly explained how national security interests might be harmed by a trial. He said President Bush acknowledged the C.I.A.’s program, known as extraordinary rendition, this summer, and it is widely known that other governments have been involved. A trial would not disclose state secrets but would merely involve “confirmation of a fact the entire world already knows,” he said.

My comment:

Did I mention that the ACLU always seems to fight the good fight?
LeftintheUS
QUOTE(LeftintheUS @ Dec 1 2006, 10:49 AM) *

QUOTE(LeftintheUS @ Dec 6 2005, 12:00 PM) *

Time to re-up my annual membership.

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/ACLU_files_s...ition_1206.html

From the article...

The American Civil Liberties Union will file a lawsuit today against former CIA director George Tenet and three American contractors challenging the CIA’s abduction of a foreign national for detention and interrogation in a secret overseas prison...

The lawsuit was filed on behalf of Khaled El-Masri, an German citizen later found innocent who was victimized by the CIA’s policy of “extraordinary rendition.”

My comment...

The ACLU always seems to fight the good fight...

This sick injustice continues...

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/29/washingt...qDnLJ6s8BS88/0g

From the article:

A lawyer for a German man who was abducted while on vacation in Macedonia and said he was tortured while in C.I.A. custody in Afghanistan urged a federal appeals court on Tuesday to reinstate his lawsuit against the agency, which had been dismissed for national security reasons...

It looks like there may be a possibility for some small measure of justice in this case.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...7013100356.html

German prosecutors on Wednesday said they have issued arrest warrants for 13 CIA operatives suspected of kidnapping a German citizen in the Balkans in 2004 and taking him to a secret prison in Afghanistan before realizing several months later that they had the wrong person.

The German arrest warrants, filed in Munich, are the second case in which prosecutors have filed criminal charges against CIA employees involved in counterterrorism operations in Europe. European investigators acknowledge that it is highly unlikely the U.S. spies -- most of whom worked undercover or using false identities -- would ever be handed over to face trial. But the prosecutions have strained U.S.-European relations and underscored deep differences over how to fight terrorism.
LeftintheUS
It appears that it is not only the Germans, but the Italians as well.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...7021600289.html

QUOTE
A judge Friday indicted 26 Americans and five Italians in the abduction of an Egyptian terror suspect on a Milan street in what would be the first criminal trial stemming from the CIA's extraordinary rendition program.

The judge set a trial date for June 8, although the Americans, who have all left the country, almost certainly will not be returned to Italy.
Not that we don't believe in justice or anything like that. We just don't like that foreign justice stuff.

QUOTE
Prosecutors allege that five Italian intelligence officials worked with the Americans to seize Muslim cleric Osama Moustafa Hassan Nasr on Feb. 17, 2003.

Nasr was allegedly transferred by vehicle to the Aviano Air Base near Venice, then by air to the Ramstein Air Base in Germany, and on to Egypt, where his lawyer says he was tortured. Nasr was freed earlier this week by an Egyptian court that found his four years of detention in Egypt "unfounded," and he is at a family home in Alexandria...

The CIA declined to comment Friday on the case, which has put an uncomfortable spotlight on its operations...

Even if a request is made for their extradition _ a move bound to further strain U.S.-Italian relations _ it was unlikely that the CIA agents would be turned over for trial abroad...
Remember the Pre-Bush era when Germany, France, and Italy were our allies?
LeftintheUS
In case anyone was wondering whether this program is still in effect, have no fear!!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...ld/mideast/iraq

QUOTE
On Sept. 6, 2006, President Bush announced that the CIA's overseas secret prisons had been temporarily emptied and 14 al-Qaeda leaders taken to Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. But since then, there has been no official accounting of what happened to about 30 other "ghost prisoners" who spent extended time in the custody of the CIA.

Some have been secretly transferred to their home countries, where they remain in detention and out of public view, according to interviews in Pakistan and Europe with government officials, human rights groups and lawyers for the detainees. Others have disappeared without a trace and may or may not still be under CIA control.

It's not hard to believe that they may not still be under CIA control becasue they were summarily executed. Afterall, an Administration that can end Habeus Corpus can surely impose a death sentence without a trial.
LeftintheUS
What's rendition like?

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2007/12/...ource=whitelist

QUOTE
The CIA held Mohamed Farag Ahmad Bashmilah in several different cells when he was incarcerated in its network of secret prisons known as "black sites." But the small cells were all pretty similar, maybe 7 feet wide and 10 feet long. He was sometimes naked, and sometimes handcuffed for weeks at a time. In one cell his ankle was chained to a bolt in the floor. There was a small toilet. In another cell there was just a bucket. Video cameras recorded his every move. The lights always stayed on -- there was no day or night. A speaker blasted him with continuous white noise, or rap music, 24 hours a day.

The guards wore black masks and black clothes. They would not utter a word as they extracted Bashmilah from his cell for interrogation -- one of his few interactions with other human beings during his entire 19 months of imprisonment. Nobody told him where he was, or if he would ever be freed.

It was enough to drive anyone crazy. Bashmilah finally tried to slash his wrists with a small piece of metal, smearing the words "I am innocent" in blood on the walls of his cell. But the CIA patched him up.

So Bashmilah stopped eating. But after his weight dropped to 90 pounds, he was dragged into an interrogation room, where they rammed a tube down his nose and into his stomach. Liquid was pumped in. The CIA would not let him die...

Little about the conditions of Bashmilah's incarceration has been made public until now. His detailed descriptions in an interview with Salon, and in newly filed court documents, provide the first in-depth, first-person account of captivity inside a CIA black site. Human rights advocates and lawyers have painstakingly pieced together his case, using Bashmilah's descriptions of his cells and his captors, and documents from the governments of Jordan and Yemen and the United Nations Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights to verify his testimony. Flight records detailing the movement of CIA aircraft also confirm Bashmilah's account, tracing his path from the Middle East to Afghanistan and back again while in U.S. custody.

Bashmilah's story also appears to show in clear terms that he was an innocent man. After 19 months of imprisonment and torment at the hands of the CIA, the agency released him with no explanation, just as he had been imprisoned in the first place. He faced no terrorism charges. He was given no lawyer. He saw no judge. He was simply released, his life shattered.


Not a lot of fun...
LeftintheUS
Well, what do you know about that -- The Bush Administration lied, err, make that administratively erred.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation/ba...0,4704708.story

QUOTE
The Bush administration is bracing for a diplomatic backlash after conceding it used British territory to transport suspected terrorists on secret rendition flights - despite repeated earlier assurances that the U.S. had not.

U.S. officials have sought to quell the fallout by apologizing to Britain for what they said was an "administrative error." The admission, however, might reopen a bitter debate between the United States and its allies over how the fight against terrorism should be conducted and compromise future cooperation.

"Mistakes were made in the reporting of the information," said Gordon Johndroe, National Security Council spokesman for President Bush. Johndroe insisted that cooperation between the U.S. and Britain would not be affected.

"Mistakes were made..." My ass!
LeftintheUS
A little follow-up on that last story.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/7/3...3732/965/560421

QUOTE
Adam Zagorin in a story at Time magazine and the BBC’s "Newsnight" have today given fresh ammunition to the long-held view of human rights advocates and European investigators that the United States has used and may be continuing to use the British-owned atoll of Diego Garcia and its territorial waters as a rendition hub and detention center for suspected terrorists. Whether suspects have been tortured there remains unknown, but this also is widely suspected...

Well written, well researched and troubling.
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