Well?

When we set up the 'London Bombs' thread to check on the safety of our friends and to tell our stories and to use our limited information to analyse what was happening to us and why, we didn't expect to end up in the Polical wasteland.

Did we?

The thread on puddings could be described as a currant affair, why hasn't that been exiled too?

A disclaimer: If you are easily offended or dislike satire, please do not go and see The Aristocrats and please do not read this post!!

OK, with that out of the way, I would note that Alberr's question of who's doing who is particularly appropriate at this time. In the US, there seems to be an epidemic of female teachers doing their students. Many may be familiar with the Mary Kay Letourneau story (it happened in my hometown), but over the last few weeks there have been two others. Pamela R. Turner, a gym teacher at Centertown Elementary School in McMinnville Tennessee and Debra Lafave, a remedial reading teacher facing trial in two Florida jurisdictions for allegedly having sex with a then-14-year-old boy from her middle school.

At the expense of looking like I am appealing to purient interests of middle aged men thinking fondly back to their highschool year fantasies (which is exactly what I am doing). And, recognizing a double standard about which I am painfully aware. And, not to diminish the real suffering of the victims. Here they are:

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Debra Lafave

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Pamela R. Turner

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Mary Kay Letourneau

See here: http://www.geneffects.com/blog/2005/02/gym...-tennessee.html for a satire piece on the Turner situation.

From the satire piece...

..."It is a travesty that a sexually mature, yet inexperienced boy be initiated into the world of carnal pleasures by a lasciviously rapacious young faculty member. This goes against the natural order of things which is that a young man's first sexual experience be with a terrified virgin under the ping-pong table in the basement rec-room," said Mr. Commanderson, school principal.

Dr. Morrison, a court-appointed psychologist said that, "the victim is suffering physical trauma as a result of multiple high-fives and extensive emotional damage resulting from his now impossibly high standards of beauty and sexual maturity in his future sex partners."...

"It's shocking," says the victim's father, "it really is. If I could go back in time and bare this terrible burden for my son, I would. Oh why God? Why couldn't it have been me instead?"...

When asked for comment, the victim, obviously in a state of shock, said, "OMG it was awesome! I mean... horrible? I'm like all damaged and stuff? Do I have to go to class?"

My comment...

This is so wrong!!

I bet the lad who was abused by Ms LaTourneau is particularly scarred now that he sees what he COULD have aspired to...

Well picked up LitUS ...

Just thinking about Mrs McCarthy and the sound of her nylons rasping together as she strode up and down the aisles still has me dreaming of what boys at that age were not supposed to dream of ... along with all the other boys in my class ... except silly Simon of course ...

But those pics of those women in the US make them look damned attractive and as young as their pupils ... Mrs McCarthy never looked like that!

It's SO unfair ...

More Miss McKenzie than Mrs McCarthy, perhaps...

He is actually now married to her. They wed sometime last year following her release from prison.

Is there any chance she looked older because you were younger?

he's still gonna be kicking himself when he realises he married somebody who looks like his mum when there were proper hotties ripe for the picking...

You might be right. However, they have had two children together and he seemed very mature at the time. Perhaps he has truly moved into the "I'm a responsible parent who loves my wife" role and is content with his choices.

oh for heaven's sake, Leftie - this thread is about prurient prying into the lives of people we don't know and cackling with glee at the seediness of it all. Get with the programme!

I know, I know. I almost set it up as a poll on who was the hottest but thought that might cross the line!!

Does this mean that I might have been sexually abused by the drop dead gorgeous Miss Yates when I was twelve?

Dear god, you'll never believe how long I prayed...

What's this????? Teachers shagging kids?? I can't wait to get back to school now!

And what if it had been the equally attractive and young, but male teacher that had introduced the young lads or lasses into the world of carnal pleasure?


How many of us would be making the same jokes ?

If it sounds as though I am just bitter and angry cos this never happened to me, then this is just because I am"

I admit to having a hard time with this thread as well, for the same reasons that were just posted above. (Um, not the part about being bitter and angry. My teachers weren't very attractive anyway....)

I've had a close friend this happened to and it was horrible. I'll spare you the details, but a very traumatized boy was targeted and groomed by a pedophile who just happened to be female, and it did him a hell of a lot more damage.

I also work with clients who had similar experiences. Sorry I can't be all light and fluffy about this, but I find it really upsetting.

That said, now that I know what this thread is about, I'll just not visit it again. But I just really felt compelled to say this. Sorry if I've put too much of a damper in anyone's fun.

Please carry on. (and feel free to slag off both Courtney Love and Steve Coogan for the utterly repulsive story that she was pregnant with his child. Eeeeeuuuuuuuuwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!!!!!!)

A friend of mine in high school (female) had an affair with her math teacher (male) when she was about 16, and he was 28 or so, I guess. Nobody ever knew. I found out years later. So I guess it does go both ways.

ETA: I suspect it's much more common for male teachers to have relationships with female students -- I suspect we hear more about female teachers and male students because A. boys brag, and B. our society is still sexist.

well i wouldn't have shagged any of my teachers.

especially the one who had one eye looking at the class and the other out of the window. she was pig ugly.

My French teacher, young and according to my girlfriends, 'groovy', shagged the French mistress, too old and too married to interest any of us boys, on a school trip. All the girls listened outside the door and whispered all the dirty details to us. Not too bad I guess ...

But he did shag the most 'groovy' girl in the school as well. Her boy friend stabbed him in a revenge attack ... that was back in the good old days ... before all these hoodies took over.

Blimey.

Talk about blackboard jungle...

Actually the film reached our innocent shores around that time so perhaps we were acting out a Hollywood fantasy ... Guess the French teach' would be on the dole and the sex register if it happened today.

I just wanted it to be clear, that I put numerous disclaimers and noted that it was to be satirical in nature in my first post in an effort not to offend anyone and to admit that there is an obvious double standard here. Yet, I fell as though I still owe Maria and TAFKABO an apology. So, I apologize unconditionally.

Having now said that, I can't think of a many people, given what has transpired could claim that Vili Fualaau is leading an emotionally scarred life.

Uh, you certainly don't owe me an apology, so I'm not accepting it.

As long as I'm free to put a counterpoint to any argument or comment, I'm happy.

I'm actually in two minds about thin story, because part of me is thinking he was a lucky little bleeder, but there is that small niggling doubt in the back of my head.

Fair enough!!

I will admit to sharing this exact sentiment. However, satire is satire, to be effective it sometimes has to cross the line.

Leftie, I took it as offered and added a bit of my own in kind. No sweat ...

Outside of schoolboy fantasies concerning 'the older woman', I wonder how I would react if my own son, perhaps in his early teens, was having sex with an older woman, perhaps in her middle twenties, or late forties, or any woman at all above his age group. (Interesting Freudian slip ... should age matter?) And how I would react if she was his teacher, his doctor or his cub mistress, or anyone else who had authority over him.

The fact that I can ask the question if it was a woman, whereas if it was a man I would not, does suggest a double standard in my own approach.

Not sure what I would do ...

I once heard a young man describe how he had been forced to have sex with an older woman over a couple of years. He described how absolutely horrible it was and how frightened he was. How disgusted he was. No sweet sexual fantasy there.

But in the cases discussed here it doesn't appear to have been forced onto the lads. Does that make any difference?

'Age of consent' laws suggest that any sex between an adult and someone below the age of consent is "forced", by definition. But in Mary Kay's situation, it is really hard to say that these laws are appropriate for all situations.

Yes, i think age is crucial to the issue.

Young people can, and are, easily manipulated by older predatory adults.
I'm sure a man in his late twenties could seduce and convince a fifteen year old girl to have sex, but the fact that she does so willingly is irrelevant.
Why is it seen as different when the genders are reversed?

Agreed, and the age will decide whether it is forced or not. Is it not regarded as statutory rape now, in the UK, for an adult to have sex with someone under the age of sixteen years, regardles of circumstance? I have no argument with that.


Why indeed? Is it just the male gender who think there is a difference? I am not clear about my own feelings on this.
Would a mother feel more protective towards a son in these situations than a father?

LitUS--I just came back here as I am frantically searching for something else referred to in a PM to me (didn't find it--looked everywhere) and saw your apology.

Really, it's nothing to worry about. I know you were joking and if I hadn't had the experiences I've had in my personal life with my friend (who was seriously damaged by a whole lot of things, including that experience) and my work, I might have joined in.

I do think MKL's victim has been seriously damaged. I have no hard evidence, just what I know about child development and abuse leads me to suspect this is far more likely than not. There is a reason the law says that children are incapable of consent, no matter what they say. It's for similar reasons that it is horrendously and totally unethical for a therapist to ever have a sexual relationship with a client--there is a total imbalance of power that cannot be undone.

Anyway, not to worry. Carry on slagging off current affairs of the famous and infamous.

Thanks for the response Maria.

It doesn't happen in the states only it appears...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/beds/bu...rts/6592545.stm



And in case you are wondering how she compares:

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Jenine Saville-King

I'd just like to point out that 366 internet searches for 'debra lafave' brought people to these very forums, in this month alone.

That's a very long way behind searches for 'billy bragg', but still the second most popular search term.

Third most popular? 'Stupid sports'.

'Cunts' also figures in the list of keyphrases entered in search engines and pointing in this direction. Can't imagine why.

That's very, very creepy.

I suddenly feel somewhat embarrased.

This one is a little different.

http://www.news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar...1/80627022/1002



Talk about getting the short end of the stick. You can see her here, along with the whole stable of molesting teachers (nearly all who are better looking )