It shames me to say that at the last two elections, I voted Labour.

Little did I know that in so doing, I was voting to have mentally ill people locked up in prison even if they have not committed a crime.

Little did I know that in voting Labour, I was voting for a government, which would take from the disabled.

Little did I know that in voting Labour, I was voting for a government, which would pride itself in making life as hellish as possible for homeless people.

For millions of the most vulnerable and disadvantaged groups, Neo Labour and the Conservatives offer a choice rather similar to that of being bitten by a King Cobra or a Black Mamba.

For millions of people, while ever neo Labour and the Conservatives prevail, things can only get worse.

so who is offering a bettter choice for the vulnerable?

it's good that you raise this issue, it is something i worry about too, but as far as i can see, no-one is offering an alternative. Alas, its not an electioneering subject.

my mp voted against the war and forced blair to confess he wants to means test pensions.

i think i'll vote for him.

oh shit

he's a bloddy tory

your policital system is shite

One man one vote, coalition governments, wonderful stuff. Change the system...

My MP (North Dorset, not Bristol West) voted against the war, ID cards and top up fees, and voted for increased rights. He introduced the bill to ban sex discrimination in private members clubs.

He's a bloddy Tory too. I don't know why

tories will vote against anything this government proposes, thats what oppositions do.

Vote decider

Found the above quite interesting - not surprised by the answer it gave me though!

Well, i wasn't surprised in the main...but found it hilarious that my mild Euro-scepticism and strong anti-war stance gave me a stronger UKIP than Labour sympathy!

Lib Dem

Not so as you'd think Nevs when you compare policies these days!

Who should I vote for?
Your expected outcome:
Liberal Democrat


Your actual outcome:


Labour -10
Conservative -61
Liberal Democrat 83
UK Independence Party -6
Green 91


You should vote: Green


Blimey!

lib dem, with greens following close behind. Labour off the scale.

As a socialist i have (in the past) been a member of the labour party because i believe in social ownership.

the labour party, having ditched clause 4, no longer have any principles of social ownership.

the next best thing to social ownership is a social democracy with distribution of wealth via taxation.

If i can't vote socialist i'll vote social democrat.

opps. i thought that was the labour party but in fact it is the lib dems

It's obvious! Why didn't i think of that before

Labour -12
Con -11
Lib Dem 44
UKIP 14
Green 56

But I'll still be voting Labour.

You see, regardless of what Labour used to be about, I couldn't bring myself to vote for them now - not on the policies they now have.
When I was doing that quiz, I was trying to remember who stood where on each issue.
I was depressed as hell when I realised "oh no, that's a Labour policy these days..."

The result was pretty close to what I would have expected for all parties :

Labour 0
Conservative -39
Liberal Democrat 42
UK Independence Party -16
Green 40

If all the people who discover they should vote LD or Green actually did.....hmmm.

'cept the war of course ...

yes the war. Hmmm... reminds them of thatcher, see.

Strange result ...

Liberal Democrat ... 108
Green ... 76

Labour ... -4
UK Independence Party ... -23
Conservatice ... -91


Once again I have that strange feeling that I have landed on a different planet ...

Am I doing the same quizz as the rest of you?

mmm....

Labour 2
Lib Dem 49
Con -42
UKIP -10
Green 30

Had pretty much already decided to abandon Labour for the first time to vote Lib Dem - this is totally a protest vote around here - if a dead sheep wore a blue rosette it would get elected (we'd probably get a better mp too... )

Even with everything that's happened, I don't think I could bring myself to do this if there was a chance I'd be denying Labour a seat though - cos I'm afraid I do think that the second biggest party will remain the tories - & I couldn't forgive myself if I helped that lot to look more credible....

What a load of nonsence.

Just for the record.


Labour +28
Conservative -12
Lib Dem -4
Uk Ind -23
Green -20




What it should have been,if it had taken any notice of how i voted.


Labour +5
Conservative +15
Lib Dem -20
Uk Ind +10
Green -5

but labour are the new conservatives ... haven't you worked that out yet klf

Labour -9
Conservative -64
Liberal Democrat 100
UK Independence Party -2
Green 84

Lib Dems it would be then, if had a vote. This obviously reflects the depressing state of the Labour Party raqther than my enthusiasm for Kennedy & Co. Leontien is right: the UK voting system sucks. Things like this make me seriously consider taking Danish citizenship so I can vote for a left party that actually stands a chance of affecting the balance of power.

Labour -16
Conservative -27
Liberal Democrat 38
UK Independence Party 3
Green 52

who is the green candidate anyways?

Personally I have the quiet hope that people here are fed up and scared that all the anti-social policies have given them a very intolerant and scary society, and that the balance will swing back to the more socially adept parties... at least that's the mood among the people if you ask them what they want. Somehow people don't always vote for what they want....

(how I know the mood of the people? it's been on the news )

Labour 6
Lib Dem 83
Green 37
Conservative -75
UKIP -22

Weird: here, in France, I'm Green... but in the UK, I would be lib dem.
I guess it's because the UK Greens are not as pro-european as other national green parties...

Yes, the UK voting system sucks: you can't have a coalition in government, which is crap.
But in the other hand you can't have the BNP coming second, before the main opposition party... (21 april 2002: Le Pen went second at our presidential elections, and we had a second round right/extreme right... a real nightmare).

Whoever they are,they wouldn't approve of your using a PC.

Better a PC than paper don't you think?

Their manifesto is I believe only available on-line.

Why?

I work for the Greens : and see, I'm posting on this forum from a computer...

I work on a PC, but, yes, you're right: most of the Greens don't use PC, but Mac.

How much fossil fuel does it take to run a home computer for a day ? Times that by 15-20 million in Britain alone,times that by 365 days...etc..etc.Theres an awful lot of coal and oil being burnt in order to run home computers.Surely the Greens policy should be to discourage the use of computers until an enviromentely friendly way could be found to produce electricity.They certainly advocate the banning of other things that supposedly result in the harming of the ozone layer..ie..Private transport.

which klf are you?

We can. But if we did it would be crap.

Who advocate the banning of what?
Once again, you talk about something you don't know anything about...

I know you love stereotypes (it makes everything much easier to understand), but, fortunately, most politicians (both left and right) have come to realise that the Greens had been right on environmental issues for the last 20 years. And, now, most of the governments (both left and right) in Europe are trying to find solutions to the ecological problems the planet is facing with. See, even though they supported it, the Greens didn't sign up Kyoto: the right and left governments in Europe did, and committed themselves to reduce CO2 emissions ...


I don't know about the UK Greens in particular, but I guess that they're lobbying for investment in renewable energy, developing public transport... and better energy efficienty (Greens have a huge number of concrete propositions to do it, which BTW are good for the economy, in terms of job creation, etc. ).
The Greens policy don't discourage the use of computers, as much as they don't discourage the use of fridge or washing machine (wich are much more heavy in terms of electricity consumption)! Yes, like most reasonable people, they believe it's stupid to use your car to go to the bakery at the corner of the street to get your baguette or to use your car when you could use the public transport (which is quicker, cheaper and safer). It's just common sense, nothing less, nothing more.


BTW, there are many different ways to produce electricity, some of them being "environmental friendly". So, it's not like we don't have alternatives from oil and nuclear... Besides, with regard to oil, everybody knows that it's gonna get worse and we'll have to face a crisis situation in the next 10-20 years (if not before).

[quote=Emmanuel Goldstein,Apr 19 2005, 01:47 AM]
It shames me to say that at the last two elections, I voted Labour.
*snip*

How on earth can or should we vote for any of the main parties when they are all beleaguered by self-serving glory hounds?
My dad was raised a labour supporter, he believed in the social freedom that could come from solidarity, but then was overwhelmed with guilt when the unions held the country to ransom in the 70s.
He moved to the tories. I was 16 and moved with him. Your sons and daughters do that.
When maggie spread her pall of atrocities over the industrial UK I was stunned and gave up believing in anything. Then came labour with Tony Blair and it seemed to spell a new era with real people and real promises.
In the last few years I haven't even bothered to vote, there seems not one party who could influence anything worthwhile, the labour party in the main is a sell-out to their own desires rather than what is really right for Britain.
The few I respect as 'proper' politicians such as Tony Benn, Ken Livingstone and Clare Short are those who want to do the job properly but cannot because it's not 'politically correct'.
As far as this labour gumbyment is concerned I think Billy has the rights of it in "Accident Waiting to Happen"... Mr Blair, time up and time out, for all the liberties you've taken, time up and time out for all the friends that you've foresaken.

[quote=Jeffles,Apr 28 2005, 10:33 PM]
[quote=Emmanuel Goldstein,Apr 19 2005, 01:47 AM]
It shames me to say that at the last two elections, I voted Labour.
*snip*

As far as this labour gumbyment is concerned I think Billy has the rights of it in "Accident Waiting to Happen"... Mr Blair, time up and time out, for all the liberties you've taken, time up and time out for all the friends that you've foresaken.

[/quote]

I agree, Billy usually says it in a way we all understand ... even if we don't agree with everything he says or does ...

Some of us in the Labour Party are asking for TB to be dismissed ... so far, nobody is speaking to us ...