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He attacked his team mate with a bat yes?
I know I shouldn't find that funny.... but I do. I'm just trying to picture it.
I know I shouldn't find that funny.... but I do. I'm just trying to picture it.
QUOTE(readytoswing @ Apr 1 2008, 05:51 PM) 
He attacked his team mate with a bat yes?
I know I shouldn't find that funny.... but I do. I'm just trying to picture it.
Am i the only one to think there's something wrong when someone isn't banned for being a drug cheat, gets 2 years 'probation' for attacking a team mate & eventually getsa 5 year ban for criticising the PCB?
Atkar was a great bowler ... when he could be bothered. I know the followers of the counties he played for used to have apoplexy as there were too many times when Shoab was obviously 'going throuth the motions'.
Yeah he didn't do a lot at Worcestershire did he?
Having said that, neither did Glen Mcgrath when he was there.
I just thought he was seriously over-rated.
Having said that, neither did Glen Mcgrath when he was there.
I just thought he was seriously over-rated.
Today Yorks are supposed to be taking on Lancs at Old Trafford in a 1 day 'friendly' .... of course it's freezing with snow on the ground in many parts of the country
We've destroyed Worcs twice in one week. Yesterday we thrashed them by nine wickets smashing 218 off 22 overs.
Normal service will no doubt return when the season starts.
Normal service will no doubt return when the season starts.
QUOTE(readytoswing @ Apr 8 2008, 06:33 PM)
We've destroyed Worcs twice in one week. Yesterday we thrashed them by nine wickets smashing 218 off 22 overs.
Normal service will no doubt return when the season starts.
Worcs only play well under water
Has anyone seen the reason why Trent Bridge has got a 20/20 World Cup Semi Final rather than Old Trafford. The reason given on Ceefax is because Nottingham is closed to London than Manchester & the final is in London .... Forgive me but isn't it the English Cricket Board not the London Cricket Board. At this rate they'll be removing all tests from Headingley, Chester Le Street & OT.
A good start to the season for Nott's - a victory over Kent with maximum points 
Yorks started the season as usual ... the top order batting collapsed after a not quite up to it bowling performance. The bowling is understandable as Morkel, Hoggard & G**gh weren't playing ... the batting is rather worrying.
Oh yes we just lost after Bresnan & the bowlers staged a great comeback but the last wicket went down in the last over with 6 required to win...... it looked rather cold on TV
Oh yes we just lost after Bresnan & the bowlers staged a great comeback but the last wicket went down in the last over with 6 required to win...... it looked rather cold on TV
I've a complaint for Aqua ... someone's forgotten to remind Chris Read that he can't bat !! Along with Swann then Broad, Mr Read got Notts from 115-5 to 356-6 scoring a century to boot ... oh yes he was dropped of a difficult but catchable edge in the 90's.
I know Red Star..........if only he could bat he might have stood a chance of playing for England 
I think you missed my point Aqua ... today Read got a century against Yorks in what were intially difficult conditions ... i.e. as far as the Yorks folloers were concerned he bats too well !!
Oh no.........I understood your point fully
I was just thinking back to Duncan Fletcher.
I was just thinking back to Duncan Fletcher.
A gripping last session today ... Yorks were sailing aloong when McGrath tried to pull a high one & gloved it to Read (exactly what he did in the firsrt innings). Then Rudolph got a good one from Sidebottom & the Yorks batsmen lost their bottle declining from 140-3 to 160-8. Read showed why he's captain ... he kept swapping bowlers around ... bringing Patel back accounted for Morkel who'd batted with Sayers as a runner. Thankfully for Yorks Bresnan looked safe ... & G**gh had his sensible head on to guide the Tykes to a draw. If Notts keep playing like this they must be serious contenders for the championship
Ok, I'm a bit confused.
The Nott's V Northant's game was decided by using the Duckworth Lewis system.
Northant's scored 189 - 7 off their 50 overs when rain stopped play ( a run rate of 3.78 per over)
After the break Nott's were set 143 to win from 30 overs ( a run rate of 4.7666 per over) which, if taken over what should have been 50 overs, would have meant them scoring 238.333
Why is it that the Nott's run rate was set so much higher ?
I've had a look at this but am struggling to get to grips with it (and, I fear, not just because I've just finished a 77 hour week of night duty)
Edited to add that Nott's won by 6 wickets anyway.
The Nott's V Northant's game was decided by using the Duckworth Lewis system.
Northant's scored 189 - 7 off their 50 overs when rain stopped play ( a run rate of 3.78 per over)
After the break Nott's were set 143 to win from 30 overs ( a run rate of 4.7666 per over) which, if taken over what should have been 50 overs, would have meant them scoring 238.333
Why is it that the Nott's run rate was set so much higher ?
I've had a look at this but am struggling to get to grips with it (and, I fear, not just because I've just finished a 77 hour week of night duty)
Edited to add that Nott's won by 6 wickets anyway.
the basic reasoning is that northants batsmen would have been more circumspect as they had to make their innings last 50 overs, whilst notts could (theoretically) afford to have a more attacking approach as the bowling side has fewer overs in which to dismiss them. it's based on opportunity rather than actuality.
having said that i think it's the fairest system devised to cope with rain delays. even if it did mean we got shafted yesterday.
having said that i think it's the fairest system devised to cope with rain delays. even if it did mean we got shafted yesterday.
Aha...........that makes sense, thanks Mo.
Off to Trent Bridge for the 1st day of Nott's V Kent 
QUOTE(aquaman @ May 5 2008, 08:19 AM)
Ok, I'm a bit confused.
The Nott's V Northant's game was decided by using the Duckworth Lewis system.
Northant's scored 189 - 7 off their 50 overs when rain stopped play ( a run rate of 3.78 per over)
After the break Nott's were set 143 to win from 30 overs ( a run rate of 4.7666 per over) which, if taken over what should have been 50 overs, would have meant them scoring 238.333
Why is it that the Nott's run rate was set so much higher ?
I've had a look at this but am struggling to get to grips with it (and, I fear, not just because I've just finished a 77 hour week of night duty)
Edited to add that Nott's won by 6 wickets anyway.
The Duckworth Lewis method (known as Vera to mnay) is reputed to be the fairest method of calculating scores when onw team has less overs than the other. The only problem is that no one actually understands how it works ... they issued an explantion pamphlet to when the method was first used ... I read it & still had no idea. As far as we can see the rule seems to be that Yorkshire lose out whatever ... but then Messers Lewis & Duckworth are both Lancastirans.
The idea is that if a team only has 30 overs instead of 50 they can afford to lose wickets so should have to score at a higher rate. It's all to do with resources ... overs, wickets & runs all being a resource. When the 2nd tream is batting the 'par score' increases when they lose a wicket. The par score is what the 2nd team needs to beat to win if the game is abandonded at the end of an over.
btw I've seen a game where a team was bowled out & yet the other team needed a higher D-L winning score
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duckworth_Lewis
p.s. Forgot to mention ... Yorks actually beat Durham in a one day game on Sunday (Durham normally win) ... the victory was all the more sweet as Lancs lost to Scotland
Blinkin' typical.......I arrive at 11:00 and stay until tea (when it's all got a bit defensive) with Nott;s at 172 - 6
I get home to find that Nott;s are all out for 202 and Kent are 33 for 4
I get home to find that Nott;s are all out for 202 and Kent are 33 for 4
Tight one at Trent Bridge today with Nott's, at one stage, needing 30 runs from about 20 overs with 7 wickets in hand.
It ended up with Nott's 8 down winning by 1 run on the final ball
It ended up with Nott's 8 down winning by 1 run on the final ball
I've now see nthe complete county career of Morne Morkel ... in the 4 day game against Notts Morne batted for 2 balls, bowled on the 2nd day when he went off injured then batted with a runner on the last afternoon. Morkel has now gone home to South Africa .... has any overseas player who's taken the field had a shorter run?
p.s. Last season Imzaman Tahir played 1 game for Yorks & only bowled in 1 innings as we lost by an innings. Naven rana who takes over at the end of May must be rather worried
p.s. Last season Imzaman Tahir played 1 game for Yorks & only bowled in 1 innings as we lost by an innings. Naven rana who takes over at the end of May must be rather worried
Another good performance by Nott's (after a 'blip' against Kent last week) - A win by 7 wickets over Lanc's before lunch on the third day.
Off to see Nott's Outlaws V Wark's Bears today.
Taking a French friend and his American girlfriend - it's their first ever match
Taking a French friend and his American girlfriend - it's their first ever match
...........We got stuffed !
Big batting collapse, all out in 29.5 overs
Big batting collapse, all out in 29.5 overs
QUOTE(aquaman @ May 18 2008, 10:33 PM)
...........We got stuffed !
Big batting collapse, all out in 29.5 overs
How did you do that ... Warwick have been awful so far ... Yorks managed not to lose in Edinburgh which is a good sign.
p.s. Taa to Notts for beating 'that' team in the championship. You were unlucky to only get a draw with Yorks the other week ... we were hammered by Durham during the week .... fortunately I didn't go.
p.p.s. What did your guests think of the game ?
How we did it................bowled OK to keep the Bears to 173
Batted (or not) as follows
Fall of wicket
1 Wood
61 Jefferson
62 Voges
62 Wagh
77 Patel
92 Read
105 Ealham
117 Pattinson
117 Fletcher
121 Swann
Although all reports that I've seen describe Chris Read as being 'unlucky' to have been given out LBW.
My French friend enjoyed it, it was possibly, (even though finishing 20 overs early) a little too long for his girlfriend
Batted (or not) as follows
Fall of wicket
1 Wood
61 Jefferson
62 Voges
62 Wagh
77 Patel
92 Read
105 Ealham
117 Pattinson
117 Fletcher
121 Swann
Although all reports that I've seen describe Chris Read as being 'unlucky' to have been given out LBW.
My French friend enjoyed it, it was possibly, (even though finishing 20 overs early) a little too long for his girlfriend
Bloody hell the Bears won a game? Well that's shocked me.
Surely Warwick are your second team anyway Aqua are they not?
Surely Warwick are your second team anyway Aqua are they not?
Ah...........but as a Nott's member I would have liked a victory
My brother ( A Wark's member) came up for the day, needless to say he went home happy
My brother ( A Wark's member) came up for the day, needless to say he went home happy
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Why Imran Khan hates Twenty20 cricket
NDTV Correspondent
Sunday, April 27, 2008 (New Delhi)
Imran Khan would have been the ultimate Twenty20 hero, the embodiment of all that the briefest form of cricket stands for - allround cricketing abilities and a dash of glamour. Ironically, Imran doesn't look with favour at T20 cricket. He says it can destroy the skills that are essential to become a good cricketer.
Excerpts from an exclusive interview:
What sort of impact will the proliferation of T20 cricket would have on the game?
Imran: If it's restricted to just a month in a year, the effect would be very limited. But if it's overdone, it will definitely impact the standards of Test cricket, which are already declining.
Not enough T20 cricket has been played, but One-day cricket has already taken a toll on fast bowlers because of the stress it puts on them, and due to the frequency of One-day competitions. The playing spans of fast bowlers have shortened. You just look at the number of fast bowlers who regularly break down. That's the stress One-day cricket puts on the bowlers.
Then the travelling it involves, and there's not enough rest like there used to be in my time You end up playing with niggles, which get accentuated when you're playing if semi-fit. Now, if you increase T20, the quality will go down further.
And it will affect batting techniques too
Imran: Well, one impact is that the batsmen have greater number of strokes - the sort of shots they play, we never saw in my playing days. On the other hand, the defensive techniques have been (adversely) affected.
T20 cricket was invented just to make money, and with big businesses getting into it, can it have a negative effect?
Imran: Money is important in cricket, but unless there is a balance, the game is going to be affected and it already has been affected by One-day cricket, especially fast bowling. Their careers have been cut short. And on top of it, if you have T20 cricket, it won't help.
Basically, it's not much of a test of a player's skill and temperament. It's basically about talent with a big element of chance in it. While it's a spectacle, people enjoy it, it's not a great test of cricketing abilities.
Put it this way - if a team wins a T20 competition, I won't necessarily consider it as a quality team, because any team can win such a short competition. Test cricket remains the true test of a cricketer.
Unless a balance is struck, and if Test cricket gets affected, then standards of the sport all over are going to get affected.
What could be the role of T20 cricket, then?
Imran: In 1989, I had recommended that T20 cricket be taken to America, because I'd played a few exhibition matches there. I suggested to Kerry Packer that we should have T20 matches in the US, and on TV, to introduce cricket to American audiences.
I still think that this is the best way to introduce people to cricket in, say, China and the US. But if you play it too much in Test countries, Test cricket will be devalued.
Would you have enjoyed playing T20 cricket?
Imran: I think I would have enjoyed it in the middle; players are entertainers as well, and when you have huge crowds watching you, of course you get into it. But I really value only Test cricket. Players I value are the ones who perform in Test cricket.
If you want to make a list of great cricketers, you don't do that on the basis of their One-day performances, you do it on the basis of their Test performances.
But people do want to watch T20 cricket, how can it be denied to them?
Imran: You can't put more value on what people want than on the quality of cricket being played. If you do that, people won't watch even 50-over cricket, they'll watch only T20 matches!
Interview courtesy: Sursuri.com
QUOTE
Why Imran Khan hates Twenty20 cricket
NDTV Correspondent
Sunday, April 27, 2008 (New Delhi)
Imran Khan would have been the ultimate Twenty20 hero, the embodiment of all that the briefest form of cricket stands for - allround cricketing abilities and a dash of glamour. Ironically, Imran doesn't look with favour at T20 cricket. He says it can destroy the skills that are essential to become a good cricketer.
Excerpts from an exclusive interview:
What sort of impact will the proliferation of T20 cricket would have on the game?
Imran: If it's restricted to just a month in a year, the effect would be very limited. But if it's overdone, it will definitely impact the standards of Test cricket, which are already declining.
Not enough T20 cricket has been played, but One-day cricket has already taken a toll on fast bowlers because of the stress it puts on them, and due to the frequency of One-day competitions. The playing spans of fast bowlers have shortened. You just look at the number of fast bowlers who regularly break down. That's the stress One-day cricket puts on the bowlers.
Then the travelling it involves, and there's not enough rest like there used to be in my time You end up playing with niggles, which get accentuated when you're playing if semi-fit. Now, if you increase T20, the quality will go down further.
And it will affect batting techniques too
Imran: Well, one impact is that the batsmen have greater number of strokes - the sort of shots they play, we never saw in my playing days. On the other hand, the defensive techniques have been (adversely) affected.
T20 cricket was invented just to make money, and with big businesses getting into it, can it have a negative effect?
Imran: Money is important in cricket, but unless there is a balance, the game is going to be affected and it already has been affected by One-day cricket, especially fast bowling. Their careers have been cut short. And on top of it, if you have T20 cricket, it won't help.
Basically, it's not much of a test of a player's skill and temperament. It's basically about talent with a big element of chance in it. While it's a spectacle, people enjoy it, it's not a great test of cricketing abilities.
Put it this way - if a team wins a T20 competition, I won't necessarily consider it as a quality team, because any team can win such a short competition. Test cricket remains the true test of a cricketer.
Unless a balance is struck, and if Test cricket gets affected, then standards of the sport all over are going to get affected.
What could be the role of T20 cricket, then?
Imran: In 1989, I had recommended that T20 cricket be taken to America, because I'd played a few exhibition matches there. I suggested to Kerry Packer that we should have T20 matches in the US, and on TV, to introduce cricket to American audiences.
I still think that this is the best way to introduce people to cricket in, say, China and the US. But if you play it too much in Test countries, Test cricket will be devalued.
Would you have enjoyed playing T20 cricket?
Imran: I think I would have enjoyed it in the middle; players are entertainers as well, and when you have huge crowds watching you, of course you get into it. But I really value only Test cricket. Players I value are the ones who perform in Test cricket.
If you want to make a list of great cricketers, you don't do that on the basis of their One-day performances, you do it on the basis of their Test performances.
But people do want to watch T20 cricket, how can it be denied to them?
Imran: You can't put more value on what people want than on the quality of cricket being played. If you do that, people won't watch even 50-over cricket, they'll watch only T20 matches!
Interview courtesy: Sursuri.com
Another bad day for Yorks ... on his debut for the county Naved Rana was taking a run when batting ... & has pulled a hamstring. Rana shouldn't have been playing in this game, but was rushed in due to Morne Morkel (previous overseas bowler from South Africa) leaving the county after one game due to being crocked, Matthew Hoggard not being available due to a broken thumb, Darren G**gh not being fit ... & 2 young lads who might have been in contention in both being injured. We're wondering if they'll be asking for voulnteers to play in the games over the weekend,
bit of a furore last week , when australia played an tour match in the west indies wearing blue caps sponsored by an aussie beer company.
as the aussie 'baggy green' is presented only to test players, not all the aussies in this match had played test cricket. so they all wore the blue beer company hats. the aussie media nad ex-players are all over this saying its a disgrace. i do agree.
we need an alternative hat for the tour games and keep the baggy green solely for test
as the aussie 'baggy green' is presented only to test players, not all the aussies in this match had played test cricket. so they all wore the blue beer company hats. the aussie media nad ex-players are all over this saying its a disgrace. i do agree.
we need an alternative hat for the tour games and keep the baggy green solely for test
austalia v west indies.
ricky ponting back to form and a brilliant 35th test century 158, helped the aussie to 431
the aussie bowlers dismissed the indies for 312. Brett Lee , has matured wonderfully and is a very good leader of this inexperienced attack. stuart clark is not glen mcgrath but has obviously been influenced by the great man. he bowls a great line and lengnth. mitchell johnson was poor early but fought back to have 2/62 off 26 overs. macgill was the only concern but hasnt bowled since last aussie summer.
this test match took another turn with the aussie 119 ahead , the 2nd innings fell apart 4/17 at stumps on day 3. katich , and jaques as the openers failed both times. hayden is / will be missed
ricky ponting back to form and a brilliant 35th test century 158, helped the aussie to 431
the aussie bowlers dismissed the indies for 312. Brett Lee , has matured wonderfully and is a very good leader of this inexperienced attack. stuart clark is not glen mcgrath but has obviously been influenced by the great man. he bowls a great line and lengnth. mitchell johnson was poor early but fought back to have 2/62 off 26 overs. macgill was the only concern but hasnt bowled since last aussie summer.
this test match took another turn with the aussie 119 ahead , the 2nd innings fell apart 4/17 at stumps on day 3. katich , and jaques as the openers failed both times. hayden is / will be missed
Well, I have to say that at 11:00 this morning I was expecting a totally different result in the Eng' V NZ game
Once we got through the first hour I was very confident of the outcome. If anyone could explain to me what the hell KP was doing going for that second run moments after nearly being run out previously then I'd love to know. Good win but I don't think New Zealand are that great a side really, which is probably just as well.
Another win for Nott's yesterday, managing to beat Ireland comprehensively...........by one run
After a wash out at Derby on Sunday Yorks beat the might of Scotland (including Hamilton & Blain who were ex-Yorks players) at Headingley yesterday ... only one minor problem ... our Lurpack bowler Deon Kruis (pronounced Krace) limped off after 2 balls of his 8th over. This means we've now lost 4 capped pace men (Hoggard, Morne Morkel {gone back to SA}, Naved Rana & Kruis) ... & the first replacement Ajmal Shahzad (born Huddersfield) is also crocked. .... lucky Lancs who we play twice this week.
p.s. The only 2 remaining capped pace bowlers are G**gh (who's not really fit enough for a 4 day game) & Bresnan who's bowling rather poorly (yesterday bowled cr*p) ... the rest are all young lads with potential but zero experience.
p.s. The only 2 remaining capped pace bowlers are G**gh (who's not really fit enough for a 4 day game) & Bresnan who's bowling rather poorly (yesterday bowled cr*p) ... the rest are all young lads with potential but zero experience.
I know how you feel Star, against Middlesex last week, we lost Maddy, Salisbury and Zondecki to injury in the same match. Add to that Rankin already being out injured and we were left with the bowling attack of Anyon, Tahir, Trott and Botha in our second innings with the ball.
Today we had the sight of Lancs failing to comit suicide because of rain. On a wet day at Headingley on a pitch that had been under the covers for a day Lancs won the toss ... & for some reason elected to bat. They were bowled out for 89 ... if Bresnan hadbeen able to catch it would have been a few less ... this became important when Yorks batted ... on 34 for 0 it started to rain.... as Yorks had only recieved 4.5 overs the game was a draw at 10 overs are needed to make a game.
Thankfully I ended up watching the game on Sky rather than travelling to Leeds
Asaresult of the draw Yorks got an away fixture in the quarter finals ... thankfully for Moster I wont be going to the match ... which is against Glouc & so will probably be played at Bristol.
Thankfully I ended up watching the game on Sky rather than travelling to Leeds
Asaresult of the draw Yorks got an away fixture in the quarter finals ... thankfully for Moster I wont be going to the match ... which is against Glouc & so will probably be played at Bristol.
Notts also got to the quarters despite a loss to Leic's under D/L (they came back after the last rain break to find that to meet the amended total they needed 26 from 10 balls)
They've been drawn against last years winners, Durham
They've been drawn against last years winners, Durham
after a 1st test win by the aussies , the 2nd test is delicately poised,., especially as the game lost 5 hours due to rain on day 3. aust 479/7 dec , wi 300/4.
Stuart MacGill announced his retirement from test cricket immediately effective at the end of this test.
Matthew Hayden has returned home to Australia and will not play in this series due to an ankle injury.
Stuart MacGill announced his retirement from test cricket immediately effective at the end of this test.
Matthew Hayden has returned home to Australia and will not play in this series due to an ankle injury.
I've lurked around these forums for a while now, yet hadn't realised there was a cricket thread...
I am fated to follow Essex (see username for vague explanation). Which is currently a frustrating and unhappy fate. Leaving aside Ravi Bopara's incredible innings against Leics yesterday, of course.
Anyone off to Trent Bridge for the Test?
I am fated to follow Essex (see username for vague explanation). Which is currently a frustrating and unhappy fate. Leaving aside Ravi Bopara's incredible innings against Leics yesterday, of course.
Anyone off to Trent Bridge for the Test?
Not today, but I'll be there on Saturday
I had an email this morning from a friend saying "I'll be out of office for a few days. Back from Trent Bridge late Monday." I am failing not to be jealous.
Ten minutes before I set off for work I got a 'phone call saying that someone had a ticket for today, was now unable to go, and asking if I wanted it.
This makes being at work even worse than usual
This makes being at work even worse than usual
Had an email from my friend in Nottingham this morning telling me what an excellent day's play it was yesterday and how much he's looking forward to today. Rub it in, why don't you?
He didn't explain why Bell and Collingwood are still part of the England middle order, though.
He didn't explain why Bell and Collingwood are still part of the England middle order, though.
QUOTE(barkingmad @ Jun 6 2008, 08:42 AM)
He didn't explain why Bell and Collingwood are still part of the England middle order, though.
Are they ?
I didn't notice them yesterday
QUOTE(aquaman @ Jun 6 2008, 09:21 AM)
QUOTE(barkingmad @ Jun 6 2008, 08:42 AM)
He didn't explain why Bell and Collingwood are still part of the England middle order, though.
Are they ?
I didn't notice them yesterday
I have to admit I missed seeing them out in the middle. I think I was sharpening a pencil at the time.
But I'm sure I noticed Bell's hair highlights sitting on the pavilion balcony. I assume Bell himself must have been under them somewhere.
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