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aquaman
SL now 283 for 2 sad.gif
readytoswing
An example of Lancashire's Kolpak hypocrisy that Red Star alluded to not so long back.





Lancs sign South African prospect

Lancashire have signed South African batsman Francois du Plessis on a six-month contract starting next April.
The 23-year-old plays for Nashua Titans in South African domestic cricket and has a first-class average of 40.52.

Du Plessis will not count as an overseas player as he signs under the controversial Kolpak ruling.

"It's always been my ambition to play county cricket and to get that chance with a club the size of Lancashire is a great honour," said Du Plessis.

The Kolpak ruling, which dates back to 2003, states that "any citizen of a country with an associate agreement" with the European Union has the same rights as a European worker.
brendon0108
QUOTE(Red Star @ Dec 4 2007, 10:56 AM) *

QUOTE(moster @ Dec 3 2007, 07:10 PM) *

so murali breaks the world record for taking wickets. each and everyone of them a no-ball.


Sorry Moster but I have to disagree. I've watched Murili live (for Lancs) through binoculars. Whilst his arm is aways bent for the majority of balls it stays at the same angle. Unfortunately for one or 2 balls an over the arm moves (a chuck). This is actually worse than chucking every ball as batsmen don't know whether or not to play a 'proper' or 'chucked' ball. Pedantic yes, but to me the difference is important.

p.s. Sri Lanka aren't alone. A few years ago we had Kirtley at Headingley. At the time James DID chuck every ball



everyone should leave Murali well alone. he is not a chucker. his action has been cleared by the icc.
we all should accept this and get on with life.
its just poor form critising this chap, as he is bowling within the icc'c rules.
its also poor form claiming that his total test wickets arent as 'valuable ' as other bowlers, he might have 170 of his wickets against bangladesh and zimbabwe , but he can only perform against who he is selected to play against.
Red Star
QUOTE(brendon0108 @ Dec 5 2007, 09:43 AM) *


everyone should leave Murali well alone. he is not a chucker. his action has been cleared by the icc.
we all should accept this and get on with life.
its just poor form critising this chap, as he is bowling within the icc'c rules.
its also poor form claiming that his total test wickets arent as 'valuable ' as other bowlers, he might have 170 of his wickets against bangladesh and zimbabwe , but he can only perform against who he is selected to play against.


I hope this is a micky take. Murili is 'legal' because of cricket politics. I'm sure if he'd been English (or even Australian) the guy would have been banned.
aquaman
Good start by England, 162 for 1 with the only wicket gone being a bit of an oddity.

QUOTE
But the England skipper then departs when he aims a full-blooded shot to leg and it lodges between forward short leg Jehan Mubarak's thighs when it looked like it was heading for four. Astonishingly, Mubarak completes the "catch" without either of his hands, eventually retrieving the ball from between his thighs. Vaughan can't believe his luck. But he has to go.
Red Star
Vaughan does like to find 'interesting' ways of getting out. I think the 'not departing' was down to shock rather than dissent. I only saw the replay later and still could hardly believe it.

Unfortunately it got worse. Bell gave away a bat pad ..... KP was given out to a catch that looked as tough it grounded, Prior was bolwed first ball & poor Cook was given out LBW to a ball that was going down leg ... & could even have hit his pad outside leg stump ... after pitching outside off !!

p.s.The look on Vaughan's face reminded me of Ian Austin of Lancs in a one dayer against Surrey. Austin hit a ball from Waquar Younis back past the bowler. The ball was destined for a 4 or 6 except someone Waquar manged to throw out a han and catch the ball during his follow through. The batsman (it must be said a rather portly gentleman nicknamed Bully) had given the ball the kitchen sink treatment & just couldn't beleive his eyes. As with Vaughan today Austin just stood there open mouthed for quite a while until the umpire reminded him that we was out.
aquaman
QUOTE(Red Star @ Dec 9 2007, 03:53 PM) *

Prior was bolwed first ball



He did well to get 79 then biggrin.gif
Red Star
QUOTE(aquaman @ Dec 10 2007, 09:26 AM) *

QUOTE(Red Star @ Dec 9 2007, 03:53 PM) *

Prior was bolwed first ball



He did well to get 79 then biggrin.gif


D'Oh .... I meant Bopara got bowled first ball
aquaman
QUOTE
England 1st Innings
61 for 6 (21.0 overs)


Oh................................BUGGER sad.gif
Red Star
81 all out. It gets worse. The run out of Panesar wouldn't have been tolerated in league cricket

p.s. I see Murili took the new ball in England's 2nd innings
Twopints
Perhaps we need an Italian in charge?
aquaman
Prior was taking a bit of stick on TMS earlier, seems that since Sideshow Bob came back into the team Prior has dropped seven catches off his bowling sad.gif
Red Star
QUOTE(aquaman @ Dec 20 2007, 12:04 PM) *

Prior was taking a bit of stick on TMS earlier, seems that since Sideshow Bob came back into the team Prior has dropped seven catches off his bowling sad.gif


Not really into the Simpsons ... but good one Aqua ... except Ryan's broad Yorks accent doesn't really sound right for Sideshow Bob
readytoswing
Check this out, US involvement in the game of cricket now, whatever next?





http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/7151271.stm
moster
i can only assume that the england batting line up were worried about a wave coming.

a piss poor performance all round and the side are a shadow of the 2005 version. we drop to 5th in the rankings after losing this series. oh well, it's been a fun 4 years whilst it lasted.
Red Star
Thankfully rain means England only have to survive for 3 sessions tomorrow ...... but I wouldn't bet on them doing that if it doesn't rain
moster
they wouldn't have done it either. i got up nice and early to watch it and just as i was getting confident, THAT over happened.

piss poor application once again from players who should know better. pieterson's dismissal was petulant and immature, collingwood's was ridiculous. even i know that you should play back to murali in sri lanka, especially 2nd ball. bopara showed why shah should have been playing, charging down the wicket without checking to see if the ball had cleared the fielder. now, i've been critical of shah in the past, but seeing as it was a straight choice between them it's ludicrous that he didn't play at all in the series.
brendon0108
when down 0-1 in an away series and needing a win to draw the series , why would you win the toss and send the opposition( home team ) into bat , especially when it means you bat last and they have murali in their team who takes a majority of his wickets against 2nd rate teams in sri lanka.
unbelievable.
Red Star
QUOTE(brendon0108 @ Dec 23 2007, 11:48 AM) *

when down 0-1 in an away series and needing a win to draw the series , why would you win the toss and send the opposition( home team ) into bat , especially when it means you bat last and they have murali in their team who takes a majority of his wickets against 2nd rate teams in sri lanka.
unbelievable.


Under 'normal' conditions an Australian posting something like this would have loads of Englishmen posting to complain. Unfortunately for English cricket we all have to admit that Brendon is totally correct, which is very very sad
aquaman
Why did the chicken loudly, and continuously 'sledge' the opposing batsmen ?





To get to the other side.
moster
south africa look to have caught a bollock by not batting first and all.

anyway, thanks to my fucking ridiculous sleeping patterns, i've seen a fair bit of the australia - india test. 2 things strike me. firstly, india's batting line up ain't all that. secondly, where's the spectators? a decent 1st day turn out followed by js.

is england really the ONLY supported test side in the world?
Red Star
QUOTE(moster @ Dec 28 2007, 09:21 PM) *

south africa look to have caught a bollock by not batting first and all.

anyway, thanks to my fucking ridiculous sleeping patterns, i've seen a fair bit of the australia - india test. 2 things strike me. firstly, india's batting line up ain't all that. secondly, where's the spectators? a decent 1st day turn out followed by js.

is england really the ONLY supported test side in the world?


The MCG takes 90,000+, Lords is somewhere around 30,000 so it looks worse.

BUT One thing the English do do is travel on mass. That's why everyone wants to play us. As could be seen in Sri Lanka there's often as many Brits (cos the Scots & Welsh also follow England) at 'away' games as locals. I'll never forget the 5th day of the Perth test last winter. Australia were going to retake the Ashes when they won the test. If the game had been in England there would have been thousands locked out. As it was there were around 12,000 in the ground, the majority of whom were Brits.

Hey I've found something we're good at .... spectating.
moster
i take your point about the capacity, but england would get near to filling it for the first 4 days of a test match. especially over a holiday period, and especially if we were the undisputed best team in the world.
Red Star
QUOTE(moster @ Dec 29 2007, 05:28 PM) *

i take your point about the capacity, but england would get near to filling it for the first 4 days of a test match. especially over a holiday period, and especially if we were the undisputed best team in the world.


They can more than fill it for England ... but that's all folks.
moster
that's not really what i meant, but yes.
aquaman
Hands up who doesn't 'walk'

QUOTE
Australia's Andrew Symonds:
"I was very lucky. I was out when I was 30, given not out.

"That's cricket though. I can sit here and tell you about my bad decisions as well, but I won't.


(Currently 137 'not out')
readytoswing
Andrew Symonds, Birmingham's finest.
Red Star
QUOTE(readytoswing @ Jan 2 2008, 12:29 PM) *

Andrew Symonds, Birmingham's finest.


Great minds RTS .... I was going to say exactly the same thing when I read Aqua's post

For those who don't know, Andrew Symonds was born in Birmingham, England
moster
i got quite excited by the score when i woke up and saw australia about 135-6. alas i then watched as the indians lost all composure.
brendon0108
a relative easy win the 1st test in melbourne. hayden batted very well and our bowlers were exceptional, Brett Lee certainly has taken over as our attacks spearhead , he has matured. stuart Clark bowled line and lenght , similar to what mcgrath did and was rewarded.
the 2nd test , australia won the toss and batted . hussey and ponting looked good. until ponting was given out ( which was a poor decision but was matched by a poor decision to give symonds not out ) but at 6-130, india looked a threat . Andrew Symonds and Brad Hogg flogged the indian bowlers. 7-370 stumps. a great result
brendon0108
what an amazing test in sydney. michael clarke's 3wickets in the 2nd last over gives the aussie's 16th win in a row. centuries to symonds , laxman, tendulkar , hayden and hussey . hussey now has 8 100's in 20 tests. a great strike rate.
quite a few controversial umpiring decisions marred a great test. umpiring mistakes can affect the result and the indians did appear to cop more than their fair share. though there is no bias, the umpires are pro's ,although i think the international umpires are now umpiring more cricket and maybe are becoming overworked .perhaps the icc has to increase the international umpire panel from 8 to maybe 12.

the racism incident were h.singh alledgedly callled symonds a monkey has soured this test. singh was suspended for three tests. the indiansbelieve this to be unfair and as of 7pm tonight have declared that they will cancel the rest of the australian tour ( 2 tests and one day series ) unless the icc overturn the h,singh decision
Red Star
QUOTE(brendon0108 @ Jan 7 2008, 02:08 PM) *

what an amazing test in sydney. michael clarke's 3wickets in the 2nd last over gives the aussie's 16th win in a row. centuries to symonds , laxman, tendulkar , hayden and hussey . hussey now has 8 100's in 20 tests. a great strike rate.
quite a few controversial umpiring decisions marred a great test. umpiring mistakes can affect the result and the indians did appear to cop more than their fair share. though there is no bias, the umpires are pro's ,although i think the international umpires are now umpiring more cricket and maybe are becoming overworked .perhaps the icc has to increase the international umpire panel from 8 to maybe 12.

the racism incident were h.singh alledgedly callled symonds a monkey has soured this test. singh was suspended for three tests. the indiansbelieve this to be unfair and as of 7pm tonight have declared that they will cancel the rest of the australian tour ( 2 tests and one day series ) unless the icc overturn the h,singh decision


This is turning into a major incident. Firstly the 'contorversial' decisions were really bad. Now the Indians are threatening to walk out of the tour. It seams that Singh was convicted on the say so of 2 Australians with neither umpire (or any other Indians) hearing anything.
aquaman
Bucknor dropped for 3rd Test
aquaman
.....and so it continues.....
Wakarimasen
I can't believe those renowned good sports from Australia could be involved in some nefarious activities!
moster
India apparently contribute something like 70 per cent of cricket's worldwide revenue.

They'll get what they want. Bucknor is suspended and I'd wager that Harbhajan's sentence will be too. Plus they've cited Hogg.

Having said that, this bunch of stralians are really fucking despicable. Hayden's an absolute cunt on the pitch but gives it the god-fearing bloke off it, Symonds admits to cheating an hour or so after play, and the way they go on you'd have thought Gilchrist was some kind of saint of fair play rather than someone who walked in a world cup semi-final which they were going to win anyway.

Unpiring decisions in oz are like penalty appeals at stamford bridge, they are only going one way, but the ones in that last test match were special even by their standards.

Have the match fixers turned to the umpire's one wonders aloud....
Red Star
QUOTE(moster @ Jan 8 2008, 10:28 PM) *

India apparently contribute something like 70 per cent of cricket's worldwide revenue.

They'll get what they want. Bucknor is suspended and I'd wager that Harbhajan's sentence will be too. Plus they've cited Hogg.

Having said that, this bunch of stralians are really fucking despicable. Hayden's an absolute cunt on the pitch but gives it the god-fearing bloke off it, Symonds admits to cheating an hour or so after play, and the way they go on you'd have thought Gilchrist was some kind of saint of fair play rather than someone who walked in a world cup semi-final which they were going to win anyway.

Unpiring decisions in oz are like penalty appeals at stamford bridge, they are only going one way, but the ones in that last test match were special even by their standards.

Have the match fixers turned to the umpire's one wonders aloud....


You're bang on Moster ... apart from Gilchrist who walks if he knows he's hit it, whatever the situation. One of my mates was very upset last winter when Gilly was 'sawn off' (given out caught when he didn't touch it) because of his walking. The mate in question is no Aussie lover
brendon0108
QUOTE(Wakarimasen @ Jan 9 2008, 08:19 AM) *

I can't believe those renowned good sports from Australia could be involved in some nefarious activities!



why is this the aussies fault ?
brendon0108
QUOTE(moster @ Jan 9 2008, 09:28 AM) *

India apparently contribute something like 70 per cent of cricket's worldwide revenue.

They'll get what they want. Bucknor is suspended and I'd wager that Harbhajan's sentence will be too. Plus they've cited Hogg.

Having said that, this bunch of stralians are really fucking despicable. Hayden's an absolute cunt on the pitch but gives it the god-fearing bloke off it, Symonds admits to cheating an hour or so after play, and the way they go on you'd have thought Gilchrist was some kind of saint of fair play rather than someone who walked in a world cup semi-final which they were going to win anyway.

Unpiring decisions in oz are like penalty appeals at stamford bridge, they are only going one way, but the ones in that last test match were special even by their standards.

Have the match fixers turned to the umpire's one wonders aloud....



moster , correct the sub continent , india in particular supply 70% of revenue and they get what they want.
they got what they wanted bucknor suspended and singh's appeal is to be delayed so he can play in the 3rd and 4th test...they cited hogg because he alledgely called kumble a 'bastard'.
a piss weak response /payback for the aussies citing singh.
the term bastard is hardly an offence, yet the indians are carrying on like hogg should be hung and quartered .
and the indians seem to think it is no crime to call symonds a monkey. despite everyone knowing it is a 'racial attack'.... and the indians have been doing this since the aussie tour to india in october 2007.They have showed no remorse nor no sign of stopping... yet , australians are suppose to accept this racism ,or ignore it ..imagine the outrage if one of the aussie players called an indian player , 'a black whatever',

having said this , i dont think that we , australia are to blame in this instant.
we did not start the racial slurs.

and now for your comments on the umpiring ..... yet again with NEUTRAL , international umpires , how are the aussies to blame ???
i was at the entire game , the umpires gave india 5 years worth of dreadful decisions in 5 days
i do acknowledge that the umpiring decisions went against India , and stopped them for a least a draw , maybe a win. the umpiring was dreadful , BUT this is a matter for the toothless tiger ( the ICC ) to resolve. There are not enough international umpires on the panel and they are over worked.
you seem to forget the past were subba row and gatting went toe to toe in india, and whenever did gavaskar or miandad get out lbw on the sub continent...these poor indians. this is why the international umpires are the only solution. AND as i previously said not the aussies fault.

yes , australia is an aggressive cricket team , with some dominant personalities. i dont expect the world to like them . They are quite a few a personally dont like.
But Moster , you just like to go aussie bashing. just look at alot of your past posts , you abuse australians at every opportunity. mate ( used very loosely) , you are a bigot.
which would make you a bigger cunt ( your favourite word ) than matt hayden but not as bigger cunt as shane warne(he is the biggest cunt in the world ).

are you still upset that you were flogged 5-0 in the last ashes series ?
Red Star
So the Aussies are gentle people who wouldn't hurt a fly. So I didn't have to moan at some drunken idiot at Perth who was asking (very loudly) why the English team had to get in two 'Pakis' (sorry to use the term on here, it was why I objected). I had to remind the 'gent' that Panesar was born in Luton & Mahmood in Bolton, Lancs so are both Englishmen. In addition the vast majority of Englishg cricket fans thought (& dsaid) that Monty should have been in the team forom the first Ashes test

p.s. I didn't mention that at the time I didn't want Sajid Mahmood in the team ... nothing racial, just that his bowling wasn't (& still isn't) good enough.


btw It's interesting that neither the umpires or the stump mike heard the alleged offensive remark
readytoswing
Always found being referred to as 'poms' to have bigoted connotations but apparently as it's aimed at the English it's allowed.
moster
go on then brendon, apart from not rating your football team, thinking that your cricket side are not only objectionable as a group of people, but also on the decline, i hereby challenge you to find these bigoted posts and link to them. because to be honest, i don't think they exist, mate.

and no, i've moved on. i'm now upset that we lost to sri lanka. guess what, by the New Zealand series, I'll be over that too.
brendon0108
moster , i dont take it personally. really i couldnt care .
i was winding you up.
but seriously, you have aussie bashed for free in the past



and for a side on decline, we are travelling alright at 16 straight wins.
This can only mean that the other teams in world cricket are shite.
brendon0108
QUOTE(Red Star @ Jan 10 2008, 09:33 PM) *

So the Aussies are gentle people who wouldn't hurt a fly. So I didn't have to moan at some drunken idiot at Perth who was asking (very loudly) why the English team had to get in two 'Pakis' (sorry to use the term on here, it was why I objected). I had to remind the 'gent' that Panesar was born in Luton & Mahmood in Bolton, Lancs so are both Englishmen. In addition the vast majority of Englishg cricket fans thought (& dsaid) that Monty should have been in the team forom the first Ashes test

p.s. I didn't mention that at the time I didn't want Sajid Mahmood in the team ... nothing racial, just that his bowling wasn't (& still isn't) good enough.


btw It's interesting that neither the umpires or the stump mike heard the alleged offensive remark



red star , i didnt say that there arent racist people in australia. In fact there are quite a few but they are a minority. i am sorry that you encountered them on your trip. it would give you an impression of australia that is wrong.
I could also go on and bore you with many tales of rude , drunk english people that i have encountered in my country.
Suffice to say , there are enough racists, drunks , ill mannered people in both of our countries.

and funny enough i didnt want andrew symonds in our test team either , as a didnt rate him as a batsman. and i thought you beat yourselves in last years ashes by not selecting panesar over giles...

neither umpire heard the remark , does that mean that we ignore the issue and that symonds is lying ?
this morning , the indians came out and claimed singh was talking hindi at the time , so how would symonds know what was said .
5 days too late for this excuse
Red Star
QUOTE(brendon0108 @ Jan 10 2008, 08:49 PM) *


neither umpire heard the remark , does that mean that we ignore the issue and that symonds is lying ?
this morning , the indians came out and claimed singh was talking hindi at the time , so how would symonds know what was said .
5 days too late for this excuse


From what I can gather the Indians have been reveiwing the TV pictures of the event which could have caused the new information.

It could all end up being a misunderstanding. Before you say things can't happen I know it can. There was a 'spat' a few years ago over a coloured member of a football (soccer) team. The player claimed the opposition's fans were racist because they kept shouting 'Come on Monkey'. The gent in question was the full back for the away team. The home team's winger opposing the full back was 'white' but had the surname of Monkhouse. He was known as Monkey to his mates & most of the home fans.

btw One fianl thought. Symonds only admitted to not walking after the TV showed he hit the ball in question. So home come we're supposed to take his word over the Indians.
aquaman
More on the above
Red Star
By the sounds of it all of them should be banned for ungentlemanly conduct whilst Proctor is dropped for being incompitent
Red Star
What's going on with the Windies? When I stopped watching yesterday it was after lunch & they were 150 odd for 3. I got in the pub at night & was told that South Africa had bowled the West Indies out to win by an innings & about a 100
moster
never mind that, roshan mahanama, who must have played dozens of test matches with murali has had the neck to cite marlon samuels for chucking.

it would appear that the rules, and indeed the elbows, can only be bent for certain sides.
aquaman
QUOTE(Red Star @ Jan 13 2008, 10:09 PM) *

What's going on with the Windies? When I stopped watching yesterday it was after lunch & they were 150 odd for 3. I got in the pub at night & was told that South Africa had bowled the West Indies out to win by an innings & about a 100



SA getting 556 for 4 (Dec) in their first innings helped ohmy.gif
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